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MNHQ .. Can we talk about disability bashing?

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Brownsugarshortbread · 05/06/2011 23:58

Over the years i have posted on and enjoyed MN.
Sadly there seems to be a growing culture of it being okay to have a go at disabilities, those who claim DLA and those who's children have 'invisable' disabilities such as ADHD and ADD.
The terms 'freak' and 'scrounger' have been batted around and comments from some posters IMO certainly boarder on harrassment and discrimination.

When certain posts or posters have been reported, some have been removed, yet a lot haven't.

And while I agree with free speech, these types of comment or reaction to these comments, are not an education for those bigoted posters. Nor do those whose lives are touched by disability wish to be used to educate those posters.

Disability Harassment

is unwanted behaviour based on disability,
impairment or additional need. Such behaviour may include comments that are patronising or objectionable to the recipient or which creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive environment for people with disabilities. Disability harassment includes inappropriate reference to disability, unwelcome discussion of the impact of disability, refusal to work with and exclusion of people with disabilities from social events or meetings.

OP posts:
Peachy · 07/06/2011 17:00

'The people who run MN have had their brains addled by years of reading the Guardian. hence they cannot see the clear parallels between racist abuse ( we have to get rid of that, Polly Toynbee wouldn't like it at all) and abuse of the disabled (hmmm, "edgy" comedians do that, maybe it's a bit cool and we should let it go).
Moral - avoid the soft left, unless you enjoy being nauseated by rank hypocrisy

Oioi SWC, some of us manage to be elfties and perfectly ralistic, thinking human beings my love! Wink (now, those Telegraph readers.... Wink)

It's not political (and Polly T is annoying) it's about humanity and decency

Shoesytwoesy · 07/06/2011 16:58

dd has loads of extra movements but much beter now she is on meds to controll it.

but back to the thread, OP i think the spastic thread is a good example, as it proved that these threads don't educate

Riveninside · 07/06/2011 16:42

Dd has athetoid too but is too stiff for it to show. This will change when she has the baclofen pump.

madwomanintheattic · 07/06/2011 16:18

what mine? or yours? Grin lots of athetoid dx now - mainly birth injuries at term... largely physical disability with less instance of lds. someone was telling me how it seems cp dx has been changing last year... by two, dd2 was very low toned and still carting a spastic dx around with her. the paed told us she couldn't change it.

Brownsugarshortbread · 07/06/2011 16:14

I've been on MN for years so know the score with it.. Happen to have a new name at the moment, not for this thread, but due to a bit of weirdiness going on else where. But I can happily say I cried tears over wanderingtrolley and her walking race thread! Amongst others and I suprised my spelling and typos haven't given me away tbh.

I started this thread because of quite a few threads, not just the telly addicts one or the 'spaz' one.
I didn't name the threads because i wanted to leave the discussion more open to the general issue, rather than consentrating on one or two threads alone.

OP posts:
Shoesytwoesy · 07/06/2011 16:09

trust dd to be different ant have athetoid cp

madwomanintheattic · 07/06/2011 16:03

dd2 was original diagnosed with spastic quad cp, but the dx was changed to athetoid cp. (different types of cp, aitch p depends on whether your muscle tone is too tight, too loose or fluctuating between both Grin) so she is largely athetoid, but has some spasticity.

i think about 70% of cp dx are spastic cp - it is supposedly the most common. (or was - haven't checked the stats for a few years, and have seen lots of low tone dx recently)

Riveninside · 07/06/2011 15:53

Dd has spastic cp. Its a medical term

Shoesytwoesy · 07/06/2011 15:51

it is CP but you can have spastic CP

StewieGriffinsMom · 07/06/2011 15:49

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AitchTwoOh · 07/06/2011 15:49

i thought the term was cp nowadays?

Shoesytwoesy · 07/06/2011 15:48

instead mn hq feel that it is ok, and if people like me are "upset" by the title we should hide it !! Angry

TheHumanCatapult · 07/06/2011 15:47

the only time spastic is acceptable is when you a re using it to describe a medical condtion

AitchTwoOh · 07/06/2011 15:42

oh yes, it was definite attention-seeking, no doubt about that.

re the poof thread, it is not innocent. not even slightly. and yet there are great posters on there ptsl about holes in poofs needing filled etc. or being an excellent place to keep rodents? would i zap it? in a heartbeat, and all those great posters would be up in arms about their right to have a joke about furniture. thankfully it's not for me to decide.

Mouseface · 07/06/2011 15:40

So MNHQ should have told the OP that the word spastic is not acceptable on MN when used in that context (if at all?) and she/they should have removed the word or re-done the title.

I have said time and again, she knew what posting that would do and has achieved exactly the reaction she wanted.

Riveninside · 07/06/2011 15:29

Agree with 2shoes. Dd gets called a spazz by disablist tossers.

Shoesytwoesy · 07/06/2011 15:27

I don't think the poster who used spastic in the thread title needed to, they knew it was offensive, they had been offended, so there was no education, just someone using the word to get attention ,
perhaps I feel strongly as I have a child that gets called a spaz.
but that doesn't mean I am wrong

TheHumanCatapult · 07/06/2011 15:20

Aitch

she well might not know how to spell it.And am sorry that is completley differnt she is not calling any one person or comparing it to a person .

where the use of the word spastic I am sorry but 99% of people know that is offensive and it is being used as description of someones disablity

Mouseface · 07/06/2011 15:16

If it's designed to cause uproar and upset then yes.

Aitch - I think it really does depend on how the thread pans out. If the OP of the thread we're discussing had put 'Dp just called me a name for catching poorly' then most people would pass that thread by.

The very FACT that she used the wording she did in the title, screams of attention seeking to me. And in the worst way possible.

AitchTwoOh · 07/06/2011 14:54

how about the 'do you have a poof?' thread? it's unlikely that the OP doesn't know how to spell pouffe, and i don't htink that she is sincerely interested in people's furniture arrangements. should that be zapped?

TheHumanCatapult · 07/06/2011 14:49

South

but watch when the racist/homophobic/xenophobic threads get reminded fast that it is not acceptable and pulled yet disablity is ok .As apparentley we are just to sensive Pc people .

Mnhq Since you seem to struggle with undertanding just how offensive it is ,Would you like me to get my 8 yo dd to send you email explaining it in simple terms .Becuase she sure as hell understands that is is offensive and rude and not somethin g that should be used/said even in jest.

Mouseface · 07/06/2011 14:47

Sorry to pick this up again but why did the OP of the 'DP just said I catch like a S######' put it in Relationships?

Because it's about her DP or because she knew how much fuss it would kick up?

She's only been posting as a newbie or under that name for a few months but still...... even as a newbie you'd know about the SN section on here? No?

It was very much 'light the blue touch paper and stand well back' IMO.

StewieGriffinsMom · 07/06/2011 14:43

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southofthethames · 07/06/2011 14:42

Brownsugarshortbread - I guess because MN is supposed to be a free, candid forum (like the local pub, in a way), people sometimes say things that are extreme because it's their unedited thoughts. There are occasional racist/homophobic/xenophobic comments too, I think people don't realise that they are bashing or being prejudiced. All I can suggest is that you point it out and correct those posts if you see them. I don't know that it could be monitored or "policed". But I think MN is a little more - ?feisty ?militant (might be a bit much to say aggressive) on the talk threads than many other forums I know. Funny that, it's not really that "maternal" as one might imagine from the name. That said, even the more feisty posters have useful contributions to make. (also depends on the thread topic too).

AitchTwoOh · 07/06/2011 14:38

oh YES.