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McDonalds Ads - tell us how do you feel about them folks?

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JustineMumsnet · 01/03/2011 16:22

Good day MNetters,
We've been asked if we'd host ads for McDonalds, so we thought we'd ask what you think. Would you object to banner ads (ie like the one at the top of the page) on Mumsnet?
Let us know.

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glasnost · 06/03/2011 15:47

That is an excellent point and had crossed my mind too. As had the fact that McD's should pay us not MN seeing as the posters make this site.

AMumInScotland · 06/03/2011 14:13

I'm pretty sure there'll never be agreement on this stuff, but maybe MN could set up a survey to look at what categories people would be uncomfortable with, so they have a "sliding scale" of opinion to judge by?

There are a lot of things I'd be less happy about than McDs -

plastic surgery, botox, private immunisations

pay-day loans, pawn shops, "we buy your gold for a pittance", work from home deals with an upfront cost

Playboy merchandise

You can't get a consensus on what's ok and whats not, or how bad one thing is relative to another, ut if they got plenty of replies on a wide range of things like this, then they would have an overall view of what MNers have the biggest issues with.

BecauseImWorthIt · 06/03/2011 12:53

Whatever decision is made, we have just all contributed to a hugely valuable piece of research for McDonalds. I wonder how much they have paid for this?

Himalaya · 06/03/2011 12:43

I had a look and MN does have a policy. It does give some basic principles about what MN stands for, but not a lot of guidance on which companies and sectors are in or out and why:

"Mumsnet is akin to a social enterprise. Though the site is a business and we hope to be a profitable one, our overarching aim is not the pursuit of profits. We manage Mumsnet with the aim of serving our community as much as serving our shareholders and we endeavour to conduct business in an ethical manner.

With this in mind, Mumsnet supports the WHO/UNICEF International Code on the Marketing of Breastmilk Substitutes and we do not accept advertising from a number of companies including Nestle and McDonald's, and for a number of products, such as formula milk and cosmetic surgery, that we believe do not sit well with our philosophy - namely to make parents' lives easier."

I think it is great that MN is consulting on this issue. The sitea new kind of business that co-creates value with its users, and like Facebook etc.. will need to work out a new basis of consultation and accountability, that goes beyond the basic decide-and-defend approach of traditional businesses.

I agree with Eleison - having got a fair ammount of feedback on a very short question on the McDonald's question as posed, it would be good if MNHQ now puts some more of its cards on the table about what the the actual decision making process they are consulting about is (as far as they can within the bounds of commercial confidentiality). For example;

  • are McDonald's looking to advertise on Mumsnet (and is it a product promotion or an effort to respond on the issues.)
  • Is this about a stream of advertising - i.e. a contract with an online advertising agency to sell space on MN
  • Is it about changing and upgrading the current policy and making it more robust?

Whatever the catalyst for this discussion, maybe it is time to review the policy (perhaps together with how and why MN chooses particular campaigns, and the extent to which MN can and should claim to speak for members in the media).

I am not sure that 'making parents lives easier' captures the full basis of what MN is about in its campaigning and ethical stance - surely there should be something there about making 'children's lives better' (...and all the difficult ethical dilemmas that that involves - which form the basis of most of the most heated debates here)

McDonald's does often make parents lives easer as it is a non-snooty, convienient, cheap, easy place for a meal (also IME for breastfeeding, going to the loo, changing nappies..). Others would argue it makes parents lives harder because of the pester power factor.

But a lot of the pro- anti- Mcdonalds debate is about impacts on children's health through obesity. Causes of obesity of course go beyond McDonalds to other fast food, supermarkets, playing fields, PE, road safety, cycling, walking etc.... I would argue that children's issues are within the scope of what MN should stand for and against. But if MN wants to do something serious on childhood obesity it needs to be a serious campaign strategy, not a tokenistic ban on McDonalds.

And then there are the questions that go beyond parenting - rainforests, animal welfare, employment conditions, capitalism etc.. I guess that MN shouldn't be expected to have a consistent viewpoint on these things, given the huge variety of people and views here... other than to say that companies should be open and responsive to stakeholders on these issues...

(...which is why I would be generally OK with a McDonalds link to an information/debate type site, but think a 'two-all-beef-patties-special-sauce-lettuce-cheese-pickles-onions-on-a-sesame-seed-bun'type advert would probably be a bad idea both for MN and for Ronald McDonald.)

glasnost · 06/03/2011 11:47

Oh Maryz Maryz.................just let it lie.

The good will NOT outweigh the bad as it never does. It's best to stay well away from the bad in the first place. You can't do a deal with devil and come out unscathed. If they need the revenue there'll shitloads of other companies that can avertise on here.

But as I've said you've won as the ad's will appear. OK? Happy? And you should have better things to do with your time than going over threads heat seeking in on insults from one party which were actually in reply to rudeness from someone else.

Maryz · 06/03/2011 11:41

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glasnost · 06/03/2011 11:32

Maryz I HAVE NOT. End of. You're in the majority. You've won as I'm sure they'll run the ad's so what else do you want? It's pathetic this and so childish. I pity some people's kids I really do.

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Ciske · 06/03/2011 11:29

Should you advertise unhealthy food to parents, bearing in mind all you know about child obesity, poor nutrition and the influence of advertising on eating decisions?

No from me, please.

Maryz · 06/03/2011 11:25

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southeastastra · 06/03/2011 11:21

no i agree glasnost you have been too - i find the whole thing quite mind boggling

glasnost · 06/03/2011 11:19

you think YOU'VE been picked at and prodded at? What about me? Just as well I've got a thick skin and don't fall for it. Buzzlite on t'other thread even went so far as to search me too and refer to a username change. It's slighty weird and - I think - intended to intimidate. You'd think if people were sure of their opinions that they wouldn't be bothered by the minority's objections. Because it seems we ARE in the minority.

southeastastra · 06/03/2011 11:06

are you saying me posting 'im with you' as i'm leaving with her? becasue you can take it to mean that (if it suits you)?

i really do feel some people are being very personal about this and rude just because we don't agree.

i have set out my arguments - maybe i should have just left it at my first post becasue others who have said they don't like the idea aren't getting picked and prodded like i am.

SalandersBro · 06/03/2011 11:02

people search other all of the time, and if snorbs thinks you've been a tad dishonest he can 'call you' on it.

inany case, it isn't compulsory to eat at McDs if they adverise their food here. I ahve never been to CentreParcs, been on a MArk Warner holiday, bought anything from Boden or rhe White Co., or any other of the shite that gets on here.

so, advertise away!!

jellybeans · 06/03/2011 11:02

It doesn't bother me at all.

southeastastra · 06/03/2011 10:57

anyway have had my say on this subject and would like hq to make a statement. feeling a little put out the they have posted this then left us to it to be honest.

southeastastra · 06/03/2011 10:56

ahem i told nicky i was with her and i am, to be honest your searching of my name (you have done before iirc) worries me slightly. jeysus some people...

why are you being so personal to me?

Snorbs · 06/03/2011 10:53

southeastastra, I think it's a touch disingenuous of you to claim that you haven't threatened to leave MN over this. I suggest you refresh your memory with what you posted on nickytwotime's flouncing thread.

If you want to pick this particular advertiser out as your line in the sand while ignoring all the other dodgy advertisers MN has (eg piprabbit's excellent point about Pizza Express) then go ahead, knock yourself out. You'll be missed but no-one's forcing you to stay here.

Ohforfoxsake · 05/03/2011 22:05

Intact? As opposed to in bits Grin oops

whomovedmychocolate · 05/03/2011 22:02

piprabbit - no you are misunderstanding middle class kids don't get fat, they thrive Wink

Pizza Express is a better class of lardarse. Grin

Ohforfoxsake · 05/03/2011 22:00

Are any as prolific as McDs? But it's not just them. It's the attitude to fast food in the western world, and attitudes to food generally post-war. I don't object to it's place on the high street, I'm not happy with it's product placement in reading scheme books (apparently removed but I complained to the publisher then) and I wouldn't be happy with it on here. But its on my boys footy kit as it sponsors the FA. You can't get away from it, so we accept the golden arches and barely consciously notice them. Fast food is so normal. But it's not good food. My argument isn't against Mcds, it's against fast food advertising on here.
I admit I never noticed pizza express on here. But I'd rather sit in a PE restaurant with my children as it bears some semblance to a restaurant. I'd rather go to Pizza Hut than Mcds intact. Wouldn't get a take away from either of them though. So to my mind theres a difference but that is how we use them rather than quality of food.

SarfEasticated · 05/03/2011 21:59

'No' and a from me too.

piprabbit · 05/03/2011 21:34

Did anyone flounce when MNHQ snuggled up with Pizza Express?

A food chain where you can have dough balls and butter, followed by pizza, followed by dough balls and nutella.

Not sure why McDs obesity is so much worse than Pizza Express obesity.

PaulaYatesbiggestfan · 05/03/2011 21:14

does not seem appropriate but mumsnet is changing....

TheShriekingHarpy · 05/03/2011 21:12

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Eleison · 05/03/2011 21:08

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(They're not having my poinions at any price.) [resolute]

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