What do with think will be in Labour’s budget?

But if you don’t allow them in, how would you know if they are going to be net contributors or not?

I am not saying anything about their contributions or lack thereof, if you read the article they are to be returned because they are either criminals or their asylum application has failed for whatever reason..
You’re trying to spin this story to fit your narrative, but it is clearly doing something about the problems you all keep talking about like protecting our women and girls and you’d prefer that wasn’t the case.

Not many on MN I would speculate.

You’re trying to spin this story to fit your narrative, but it is clearly doing something about the problems you all keep talking about like protecting our women and girls and you’d prefer that wasn’t the case.

What narrative would that be?

If you look at my posts, others have argued that immigrants are net contributors.
My objection is with that assertion and an unwillingness on my part to fund net recipients. Entirely reasonably.

They do abscond from hotels, though.
Official tracking data does not provide a single total for all adults going missing from UK asylum hotels, as the Home Office has acknowledged it does not track every departure. However, specific data is available for children and withdrawn asylum claims
The Home Office revealed that nearly 6,000 adult asylum seekers whose claims were withdrawn have gone missing or lost contact while remaining in the UK. Whistleblowers and hotel staff have also reported that adults leave or disappear from contingency hotels on a regular, daily basis once their support status changes or claims are rejected.

My understanding is that such reports consider net lifetime benefit of migrants, which may well ultimately be positive. What they do not present is that for the first around 20 years they are a net cost due to the fact that our infrastructure must expand to accommodate them and that takes decades and requires upfront investment. They are an initial substantial cost and put huge strain on infrastructure in the short to medium term. This is not incompatible with being a net benefit to the economy in 50 years necessarily. However , we are not able to finance the strain right now due to our country's poor economic state.

Actually most of the data in that link shows the opposite, a net positive contribution until older age.

I'm sorry but we can't have it both ways, are they working age men moving for financial reasons or not?

Like it or not, we need workers. This is simply a reality people need to face.

We do need workers, but in the right locations and with the right skills. We already have millions unemployed who can do the unskilled work. We need to control borders and only allow those with skills we need.

Is an utter nonsense that qualified doctors trained here can’t get jobs and move abroad, because we import doctors from elsewhere.

Your penultimate sentence is patently wrong, sorry.

Yes, as i said, the analysis won't consider the infrastructure costs of the additional population, which is extremely important. Hospitals, go surgeries, schools, houses, water systems, electricity grid, wear and tear on the roads, prisons etc. All of that is immediate. All the large infrastructure projects take years and years to plan and execute, and in any case with population increase due to immigration how do you know where they will be needed as you don't know where people will settle. The cost of doing all of this is huge and it will take a long time, in the meantime quality of services declines for all. This is just logical, it's not demonising any particular group, but you can clearly see the impact everywhere you look.

Do you have data that supports that ?

I just had a look online, and it appears the issue is the number of training positions.

How bad is the doctor employment crisis and what is being done? - News - Doctors.net.uk

A snip from that -

"In specialties such as core psychiatry, there were a staggering 10,667 applications for just 489 training posts. In anaesthetics, just 539 places were available for 6,770 applications. In general practice, 20,995 applications were made for just 4,276 training posts."

Meanwhile, doctors leaving the UK are not just UK trained.

Worrying exodus of internationally qualified doctors, GMC warns | The BMJ

From that link-

"Hardening of anti-immigrant rhetoric in society could drive more foreign doctors away from a “less welcoming” UK, the General Medical Council warns.
Its warning comes as new data show an increasing number of internationally trained medical graduates leaving the UK health workforce. A continuation of this trend would create “huge holes” in the NHS workforce that the service would struggle to fill, the GMC said."

It seems a lack of training positions means trained docs from abroad ? And I think, given how long it takes to train, and to train the trainers etc, it's one of these things that take years to fix, and takes years to create. As in, effects from decisions made ten years ago are seen now, and decisions today will maybe take 10 years to see a difference.

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If you want workers work visas are far better at selecting what is required. However the labour market is changing with tech / AI and you can’t just keep pushing the population up, if that’s what you’re after.

There are now huge numbers of women who do not work - culturally they will never work. New generations are not “moving on” as per previous ones, but doubling down on a traditional way of life.

In the past of course women became housewives after children, but the difference was that they were supported by a husband. Now the State is shouldering those costs - well, the taxpayer - housing, income support, child tax credit, etc etc.

It makes me 😡 when I read of the number of people on benefits in parts of London. There is plenty of work in London . Clearly working is just rather optional if you know the right way to go about things.

I think the public need to be given the clear message that we as a country are f*ed and we cannot afford to live as we are. We have become accustomed to the belief we should be looked after by the state and it cant keep going.

Is this fair? Not really. But we have a few options...

1. Tax more. This will hit the middle class hardest.
2. Tax the rich and corporations. They are leaving in droves and have the country by the ballals as they cant just go elsewhere.
3. Cut services including education, NHS etc. But that means accepting you wont see an NHS hospital specialist for years in some cases.
4. Cut benefits. This will push people toward crime, mental health crises etc
5. Increase capital gains and stamp duty etc. Kicking in people who have strove to get ahead, not only rich folk.

People don't want to face reality. That we will either pay more, or not get what we want or need. No government is going to fix this because we have lived outside our means for decades. It is as though people didnt realise sitting at home for a year on furlough would need repaying.

I have worked since I was 15, never claimed. Always tried to be no burden on the state. I find it frustrating that we get nothing back (barring the basic NHS, police amd schools) despite propping up the state expenditure.

I do not begrudge paying into the system if it is fair. But low earners get help and rich get away with it because they can leave. People like me get beaten endlessly from all sides. At times I wonder if its worth 40+ hour working weeks when I hear others saying they get paid almost as much being on welfare than they would working. It is insanity.

They would be single mothers though. No husband to support them, and for many it is a battle to get any sort of child maintenance payment out of their ex.

If they stopped housing migrants at the taxpayers expense we might see an improvement.
They are now in HMOs in my town milling about on the street and being intimidating, but our MP (Labour) won't meet residents to discuss the situation.

That is such a small part of the reason we are fucked as a country. It won't change until we get a shift in general mentality of the population from "what am I entitled to take", "to what am I able to contribute".

I don’t blame them if they’d be subjected to some of the disgusting racism I’ve seen posted here.

I hope you reported any disgusting racism.

Of course.

What will be in Labours budget? I have no idea, but I can likely predict what won't be in it.

No meaningful cut in the unsustainable benefits bill that is slowly crippling the country.
No plan to pay down the national debt or address the deficit.
No understanding of the laffer curve.
No grasp of the importance of the bond markets.
No useful support for struggling small businesses.
No understanding of how growth actually happens or what policies are required to deliver growth.
No workable plan to tackle inflation and the cost of living.
No credible plan to bring down our crippling energy costs.
No listening to people with experience in all of the above things.
No sense that this ideologically driven government has a clue what on earth it is doing.

Hopefully I will be proven entirely wrong, but somehow judging by the observable lack of competence of almost all of Labour's ministers, I doubt it.

Yet I know two of my eldest daughters friends who have done just that. Both now seemingly very happily living and working in Australia.

Yes, Labour seemingly exist simply to service their welfare client base.