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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 23:17

https://x.com/ha_matar/status/1818001279328621051?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“Incredible: Armed and masked soldiers, backed by civilians and MKs, showed up at the jail where soldiers are held for the rape of a Palestinian detainee. Civilians have broken inside, through the ranks of police. This is the closest I’ve seen to civil war…

Three years ago, @yuval_abraham published this story about the militias growing within the army, siding with extreme settlers in ways that army leadership doesn't. https://www.972mag.com/joint-attacks-israeli-settlers-soldiers/

Today, those very militias, so far attacking Palestinians, are turning on the army itself“

Haggai Mattar, 972 magazine (Israeli based)

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https://x.com/ha_matar/status/1818001279328621051?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 23:13

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 22:18

It's sick Finally, they've just redeployed 2 battalions to the area due to the protesters. The fact that they lack the self awareness and are not able to realise how bad this looks to ordinary humans, points to a very very sick thinking within this group. Unfortunately many will judge the whole Country.

It’s absolutely insane. I just read this from one of the 972 editors, I’ll post a link.

“In essence, soldiers are in open rebellion for the right to rape prisoners, and more and more coalition politicians are joining them - from Likud, Jewish Power, and more… Context: Sde Teiman has been acting as a torture camp for months. The testimonies of inmates, physicians and soldiers who served there are horrifying. What the MP is doing is to try and show minimal levels of enforcement, to fend off ICC/ICJ. Even that is unacceptable to some…

Here’s one testimony: https://t.co/zPVPo7QdPe “

Continued…

https://www.972mag.com/sde-teiman-prisoners-lawyer-mahajneh/

https://t.co/zPVPo7QdPe

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 23:02

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 22:18

It's sick Finally, they've just redeployed 2 battalions to the area due to the protesters. The fact that they lack the self awareness and are not able to realise how bad this looks to ordinary humans, points to a very very sick thinking within this group. Unfortunately many will judge the whole Country.

Yes, The Jerusalem Post says this about the whole country could judged,

Excerpt,

Second, Israel must investigate human rights abuses in order to avoid international sanctions, and a mob cannot and should not be able to stop investigations. Even the attempt to stop the investigations and support of a number of government ministers could have international implications

another excerpt

And fourth, and perhaps most importantly, Israel cannot become a place that accepts and encourages brutal torture. Israel's strategic strength stems in part from its moral high ground and democratic norms. If we replace these with the unchecked primal urge for revenge, we would be no better than our enemies. At the most fundamental level, this would indicate victory for Hamas.

This article also compares the mob of angry people trying to break in with the mob during the events in Washington after Trump lost the election Jan 6.
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-812388

Mob storms IDF base in Israel, echoing January 6 Capitol attack amid controversy - comment

On July 29, 2024, a mob stormed an IDF base in Israel, mirroring the January 6 US Capitol attack, amid intense controversy.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-812388

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 22:18

It's sick Finally, they've just redeployed 2 battalions to the area due to the protesters. The fact that they lack the self awareness and are not able to realise how bad this looks to ordinary humans, points to a very very sick thinking within this group. Unfortunately many will judge the whole Country.

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 22:09

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1817990464198558140?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

So just to get it straight, these people are rioting because they want to protect some idf soldiers from being investigated for alleged hideous sexual assaults on prisoners.

Even though they will know full well that the soldiers are likely to face zero consequences after the ‘investigation’ anyway…

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https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1817990464198558140?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 21:58

I’ve just read an unverified report of the sexual abuse committed and it is truly horrific. I’ll post a link once it’s verified. This is sickness on another level.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 18:50

Haaretz, more about Sde Temain.

  • After reports of the soldiers' arrest, far-right Knesset members, IDF reservists and civilians arrived at the Sde Teiman facility to protest. Far-right lawmaker Tzvi Succot, a member of Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich's Religious Zionist party, was filmed leading a group of protesters to the gate of the base, confronting soldiers guarding the gate, and forcing his way through. A stream of protesters then rushed through the gate, chanting slogans against the detention of the soldiers.
  • Following public condemnations of the soldiers' arrest by right-wing and far-right Knesset members, opposition lawmaker and former war cabinet member Gadi Eisenkot said he "calls on all parts of the political system to not interfere with investigations carried out by the military police," and said that "an attempt to prevent a criminal investigation is not only illegal, but harms the IDF." Former war cabinet minister Benny Gantz said that "There is no doubt that the Nukhba detainees, vile murderers, do not deserve any special conditions, and yet, the military must act while adhering to values and the rule of law. Anarchy must not be allowed."
  • IDF Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi said "We are at war, and actions of this kind endanger the security of the country. I strongly condemn the incident, and we are working to restore order at the base." A statement from Netanyahu's office said the PM "calls for an immediate calming of the spirits at Sde Teiman, and strongly condemns the break-in into an IDF base."
  • Labor party chairman Yair Golan demanded an investigation into the "Force 100" unit to which the detained soldiers belonged, saying: "Today we were exposed to the existence of armed militias that work to threaten sovereign bodies, including an explicit threat to soldiers and officers in the IDF

Dozens storm Sde Teiman after IDF detains soldiers suspected of abusing prisoner

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https://haaretz.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d3bceadb340d6af4daf1de00d&id=50592e18c0&e=4dc3839227

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 18:44

Haaretz,
Sde Temain sexual abuse:

ISRAEL: Israeli Military Police officers raided the Sde Teiman detention facility and detained nine soldiers on suspicion of abusing a Palestinian detainee. According to a security source, the detainee was taken to a hospital with severe injuries to an intimate body part – injuries that left him without the ability to walk.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 18:34

Re: the question, is Sde Temain not for terrorists? The CNN investigative report posted by
Parking111, states that it operates as a filtration camp and under the Unlawful Combatants Law they can be held for 48 days without charge. After detention here detainees thought to have Hamas links are sent to the IPS. Others are to be freed.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 18:08

Latest from The Times of Israel
says the allegedly abused man was involved in acts of terrorism. Another poster here mentioned Sde Temain is not for terrorists.

Report says alleged abuse of Sde Teiman detainee took place around 3 weeks ago
By EMANUEL FABIAN

The Palestinian detainee who was allegedly abused by Israeli reservist troops at the Sde Teiman detention facility had been arrested by the IDF in the Gaza Strip several weeks ago and was allegedly involved in acts of terrorism.

According to an Army Radio report, the abuse itself took place some three weeks ago at Sde Teiman.

The report says that the terror suspect was found at the military base in critical condition and taken to a hospital for treatment and surgery. He is now no longer in life-threatening condition.

Over the last three weeks, Military Police investigators collected evidence on the incident and decided today to take the suspects in for questioning, the report says.

Ten suspects are allegedly involved, nine of whom were detained today at Sde Teiman.

Army Radio says they are all suspected of “serious abuse of the detainee,” and they all likely carried out the abuse together.

Parkingt111 · 29/07/2024 16:02

Is that the same centre that had such horrific abuse that it was even exposed by Israel's own whistle-blowers? The one that CNN exposed a few months ago.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 15:48

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 15:01

My god, it’s beyond hideous. And still people don’t seem to understand what is going on.

”Israel's Minister of Justice, a chief Netanyahu ally, says about events at Sdeh Teiman today: "Soldiers will not be arrested like common criminals (these are prison guards who raped a Palestinian inmate). It is time for changes". Israel is incompetent and criminal. It's ICC TIME.”

Ori Goldberg, Israeli Academic.

Linked below is the Times of Israel report.
It only mentions “serious abuse”.

^You can see from reading the article that some Israeli leaders are to be commended for trying to stand up to a rule of law ( even though it is unlikely there would be a conviction imo).

Excerpt,

^Halevi says he supports the Military Advocate General and Military Police’s investigation into suspected serious abuse of a Palestinian detainee.
“It is precisely these investigations that protect our soldiers in Israel and the world and preserve the values of the IDF,” he adds.^

and,

^Opposition Leader Yair Lapid condemns lawmakers who broke into the IDF’s Sde Teiman base alongside far-right activists after nine soldiers were taken from there earlier today for questioning for allegedly abusing a Palestinian detainee.
Their actions constitute “despicable and dangerous criminality” that only serves to “weaken” the IDF and state and “eats away at the foundations of our power from within.”^

“The politicians who abandoned the hostages, abandoned security and destroyed Israeli society are now destroying the chain of command. The country is in existential danger if these people do not leave power,” he declares.

Then there is also the widespread outrage about them being arrested.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-july-29-2024/

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 15:01

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 14:49

The IDF allege that one of the Hamas brigades that took part in October 7th was called Nokhba (means commander apparently).
The term is now used to refer any Palestinian detainee (not even charged). It allows the soldiers to abuse the detainees as revenge for October 7th without guilt/concern.

The prison where this occurred is used to hold civilian detainees, the terrorists are housed elsewhere.

@Finallyloggedin imagine the state that the victim must have been in for Israeli doctors to call Israeli Police to arrest the 10+ Soldiers. We've seen the state of released detainees, so this must have been magnitudes worse.

My god, it’s beyond hideous. And still people don’t seem to understand what is going on.

”Israel's Minister of Justice, a chief Netanyahu ally, says about events at Sdeh Teiman today: "Soldiers will not be arrested like common criminals (these are prison guards who raped a Palestinian inmate). It is time for changes". Israel is incompetent and criminal. It's ICC TIME.”

Ori Goldberg, Israeli Academic.

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 14:49

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 14:18

What is a Nohba terrorist please?

The IDF allege that one of the Hamas brigades that took part in October 7th was called Nokhba (means commander apparently).
The term is now used to refer any Palestinian detainee (not even charged). It allows the soldiers to abuse the detainees as revenge for October 7th without guilt/concern.

The prison where this occurred is used to hold civilian detainees, the terrorists are housed elsewhere.

@Finallyloggedin imagine the state that the victim must have been in for Israeli doctors to call Israeli Police to arrest the 10+ Soldiers. We've seen the state of released detainees, so this must have been magnitudes worse.

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 14:47

This is so moving. It’s good to see some people standing by their morals. We just need much more of it to happen now…

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 14:35

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 12:57

Trigger warning, argument between Police and IDF soldiers at a detention centre. The Police attended to arrest soldiers who sexually assaulted a detainee so severely he had to be Hospitalised. Some prominent Israeli politicians are calling the soldiers "holy" and "heroes" and demanding their release.
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1817888214767620521

I’ve just been reading about this too. It’s absolutely insane 🤮🤮🤮

So lots of far right ‘activists’ are going to the area to show their support for the rapist…. Just when I thought I could no longer be shocked.

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1817904053462196523?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog this link is also providing updates

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https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1817904053462196523?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 14:18

What is a Nohba terrorist please?

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 14:13

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 12:57

Trigger warning, argument between Police and IDF soldiers at a detention centre. The Police attended to arrest soldiers who sexually assaulted a detainee so severely he had to be Hospitalised. Some prominent Israeli politicians are calling the soldiers "holy" and "heroes" and demanding their release.
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1817888214767620521

Taken to hospital with “bruises on his buttocks”, as if he just sat down too hard.

“Campaign of persecution against our holy soldiers.”

Goodness, the entitlement.

I wonder if they will be properly prosecuted? .

Parkingt111 · 29/07/2024 14:05

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 12:57

Trigger warning, argument between Police and IDF soldiers at a detention centre. The Police attended to arrest soldiers who sexually assaulted a detainee so severely he had to be Hospitalised. Some prominent Israeli politicians are calling the soldiers "holy" and "heroes" and demanding their release.
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1817888214767620521

It's so sick
And it also shows why the IDF always get away with so much, especially when it comes to the abuse of the Palestinians. It's extremely rare to get a prosecution even when there is ample evidence.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/far-right-mks-activists-break-into-sde-teiman-base-amid-probe-into-alleged-abuse/

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 12:57

Trigger warning, argument between Police and IDF soldiers at a detention centre. The Police attended to arrest soldiers who sexually assaulted a detainee so severely he had to be Hospitalised. Some prominent Israeli politicians are calling the soldiers "holy" and "heroes" and demanding their release.
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1817888214767620521

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https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1817888214767620521

poshsnobtwit · 29/07/2024 00:01

They are likely to be fairly valuable if made of gold, a handful of necklaces could be a nice little earner on the side.

Auvergne63 · 28/07/2024 16:24

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 16:20

I have looked up “ necklaces with Arab writing” as I wondered if they might be religious, but they seem to be women’s necklaces with their names. So it seems trophy like as you say, as well as theft as they may be made of gold.

Necklaces or any other types of jewellery are also easy to carry...

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 16:20

Auvergne63 · 28/07/2024 15:12

It is known that murderers take a trophy from their victims so they can relive the feelings they experienced at the time. Sick!

I have looked up “ necklaces with Arab writing” as I wondered if they might be religious, but they seem to be women’s necklaces with their names. So it seems trophy like as you say, as well as theft as they may be made of gold.

Auvergne63 · 28/07/2024 15:12

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 10:53

Thank you. Hearing from soldiers themselves adds so much perspective about the reality. These soldiers probably represent the feelings of some others too who feel they cannot resign.

These are brave men.
He was also dismayed at what he described as a lack of clarity for soldiers regarding the rules of engagement, which he said were far more explicit during his compulsory military service, and felt the rules during this war were far looser than anything he previously experienced.
This corroborates what some of the Israeli soldiers in the +972 article “I shoot because I’m bored”, say.

One of the soldiers, Green, in this Guardian article said,

“I saw soldiers graffiting houses or stealing all the time. They would go into a house for a military reason, looking for weapons, but it was more fun to look for souvenirs – they had a thing for necklaces with Arabic writing that they collected.”*

I wonder what the writing on the necklaces says? It is almost as though they must covet something about the people they are supposed to bring down.

It is known that murderers take a trophy from their victims so they can relive the feelings they experienced at the time. Sick!