AIBU to feel horrified at the number of Motability vehicles being provided?

Because im not rich and cant afford it!

What i was trying to highlight was that there are a lot of middle income households for whom many things are becoming totally unaffordable and yet there seems to be this feeling that if you're not receivng any kind of benefit then you can afford all these things!

(Actually that also happens to include a car for us once our old banger fails its next MOT).

Anyway nevermind.

Surely she can just sell it in that case?

So. Every child has a right to mainstream education if that's what they want.

You know dealers do that for most new cars (unless like me you ask them not to) and it’s free? Exactly what is your complaint about this?

I think there is a real need to ram home the absolute bullshit that some posters spout. A real need to make this as socially unacceptable as racism. Time to bite back at those who pretend they are whiter than white. Shitting on those that are vulnerable won't make those that are shitting on them any better.

Imagine being jealous of people with disabled children! My uncle gets pip. You wouldn’t know to look at him but in reality it’s a miracle he’s alive. He doesn’t have intestines and has a stoma bag. Isn’t it fantastic we genuinely live in a Christian country that supports those in need? Unlike America which preaches about being Christian but lets poor people die when they can’t afford healthcare or wheelchairs etc.

The rich can afford it!

However, in reality it can often mean that a working family with high housing and commuting costs can have less disposable income than a family to whom those discounts apply. It can seem a tad unfair perhaps?

Most dealerships do this for new cars, many do it for second hand as well. I don’t own a car anymore, but every dealer I have bought one from did this.

😂😂
What a load of nonsense they just get you to sign some paperwork and give you the keys.

You all missed the word “new” in regard to the 4 bed detached house!

so I’m on the way to a full house on MN bingo- not only am I fat, I am also disabled and get pip at enhanced rates on both but don’t drive so don’t have a new Tesla on Mobility.

my 2 lovely children are also disabled and one claims pip as he’s 23 and I’ve finally applied for dla for my Teen dd after putting it off for years as the process is brutal. She’s home educated due to agoraphobia and is a nervous wreck. I would love her to be a “normal” 15 year old but it is what it is and we get on with life with loads of love and laughter and I give zero fucks what people think after a lifetime of worrying what others think.
Walk a day in my shoes and all that.

nothing in this life is given for free. These threads are pathetic and demonstrate how some people still believe the propaganda that benefits are “handouts” to lazy bastards. I may be disabled but I still contribute to society and my life has purpose.

now where do I sign up for a new house? This shabby old thing was built in 1993…

So... if they didn't have the Motability lease car... they'd still get the exact same money as part of their PIP claim, saving you, the taxpayer (one assumes) nothing.

Which means what you're mad at, is that there is a scheme whereby disabled people have access to affordable vehicles.

They are new vehicles because supplying second hand vehicles would cost more in maintenance than it is worth, and would be a royal pain in the arse, and new vehicles handed back, are then sold on, the funds then going back into the Motability charity, and the second hand vehicles benefiting the general economy and the second hand car buyers.

This is important because disabled people generally have fewer transport options, can't access public transport reliably, may well need to visit hospitals more often and so really need a reliable vehicle.

Should it be means tested? No, because those who really do earn so much that the PIP payment or childs DLA payment makes no odds, will be paying back far far more in tax than they're costing.

For everyone else, they need it, being disabled is expensive and means testing would cost significantly more than it would ever save.

Bottom line, you are jealous of disabled people. Sit with that. You're jealous, why are you jealous? Do you think disabled people don't deserve help? Do you think they're getting a better deal than you? Do you think you, a fit healthy person should, by rights be doing better than a poor sad broken disabled person who is of no real benefit to society... perhaps?

1 - Motability do not GIVE people cars, they lease them, you pay a lot for them in advanced fees and monthly lease fees, you give it back after 3 to 5 years or 5 to 7 years for WAVS, and you start over, finding another advanced fee (if you don't qualify for a grant, and few do).

2 - Grand reveals, never heard of that happening unless you mean a car salesperson chuffed at making a sale hands you the keys and goes 'ta daaaaa' and does jazz hands (none ever have but I guess they could).

3 - A big charity in the UK buying cars, maintaining them and selling them on to the public is a really fucking good thing for the economy and second hand car buyers. What do you think losing 1/5th to 1/7th of car sales, new or second hand, will do, how will that benefit anything?

4 - No one is GIVEN a house by the local authority - they are given tenancies for which they pay rent. Where that rent comes from varies, but if they stop paying it they will lose their tenancy, same as anyone else.

Those on benefits are statistically less likely to visit historic buildings, museums, highbrow culture so it’s to encourage that.

@MNHQ care to explain why day after day threads like this are allowed to stand? What is it about the disabled, SEN children and benefits that are in the spirit?

I think that you have misunderstood my post. You have run two of my sentences together. Perhaps I wasn’t clear.

I know that PIP isn’t means tested.

I have known people who should have got PIP because I knew their disabilities.

The person who got the Motability car acknowledged that he had no essential journeys that he had to make. He was assessed every few years and always expected to be refused but never was. I should add that I benefited from lifts that he was able to give to my friends and to me so I had no interest in him being refused.

My comment about his ability work was not related to PIP or Motability and perhaps I should have made that clear.

He could have worked but never did. The assessor that I referred to was at the Jobcentre. I thought that talking about work, it would be clear that the assessor was at the JobCentre but clearly not.

Loads of car dealers wrap bows around or wrap cars for collection. I find it awkward and cringy but I’m sure others love it so why not? Who does it hurt apart from op apparently?

I do know, and it’s appalling. People on low incomes who only get part of their rent covered, often for a property that is of poorer standard than social housing, and with no security of tenure.

Nope. Quite common to have it under a wrap or a bow. Had it a couple of times on (non motability) new cars - I now ask dealers not to because it’s absolutely cringe. I know what the car looks like, I bought it! But I guess some people like the “special moment”.

And more importantly, it is the attraction or museum that pays, not the government. The entry fee is not the way they make money. Snacks, drinks, merchandise etc which are not subsidised make far more money for these companies than entrance fees.

We are NOT paying for people on benefits to go to Alton Towers.

3 children and all diagnosed with adhd and she’s never ever had a job? Chances are she’s playing the system.
Hopefully she’s on long term contraception. No point in her having any more children if she can’t raise the three she already has. We don’t need more burdens on the state either.

Those who don’t believe parents lie all the time to get a diagnosis for their child have never worked in education. I have to return a phone call to the local occupational health team tomorrow to inform them how pupil ‘A’ has adapted to his ‘new mobility aid’. Said pupil has never used a mobility aid and is partaking in the DOE. You couldn’t make it up.

How does this affect you? The cars are leased and paid for from PIP. If people did not have the car, they would still get the money.

I find it very sad that someone is horrified at disabled people being able to have independence.

Or a disgruntled tax payer? Nothing bot like about her observations.
Do you think it’s acceptable to have your entire life and that of your children financed by other people?
Why would said woman even think she has the right to have one child if she has never had a job. And then to have the audacity to have two more!?

Gosh....yes that's the problem with your post. People being provided something that you don't have is not the problem. If you think it's easy apply for PIP, use the award to get a new car and then come back and tell us you really need it, unlike those that you think don't. Every blinking day there are people spouting this bull. MN users are coming across as they mostly want no disability until they're all dead.

Unless you expect a museum to require every entrant to submit to an income and expenditure audit then that might be the case.

It just might be that in order for poorer children to occasionally have the same experiences as their luckier contemporaries a few "undeserving" people will get a freebie. Maybe that's a price worth paying.