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To think everything will be unrecognisable in 50 years

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CurdinHenry · Today 11:38

Just thinking about how different the UK was in the 70s and how change is supercharged now by tech and mass migration and the loss of shared cultural reference points in TV and newspapers and radio.

I live in Glasgow and many parts of it are no longer at all Scottish-seeming apart from the old sandstone tenements. What even is Scottish any more? It's hard to imagine Scottish independence being taken up by the new communities. But what's next?

I think human societies are programmed to self destruct every so often in the absence of external numbers control pressures and I think that's what's starting now across Europe. We have never had it so good in the history of time yet rage flourishes

What can we do as individuals, I'm just not sure

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 19:23

Incredible, @DorsetKnobBiscuit. Must have been electric to be part of that crowd!

ClairDeLaLune · Today 19:29

CurdinHenry · Today 12:12

I think in Scotland we've never had to face the feeling of the culture you grew up in ceasing to exist. I wish it had changed in a wealthy still in the EU way rather than an anyone to fill the Brexit gaps way tbh (sorry to be a socio-economic discriminator but there we are).

Socio-economic discriminator or racist? It’s a fine line.

Dont worry OP, in 50 years we’ll all be dead and AI will rule the world.

Barrydoughnut · Today 19:29

I was in Glasgow yesterday. I was mainly in the West End so lots of English accents. Still felt Scottish though. Also didn’t feel dodgy in the centre despite the recently bad publicity but my friend’s DCs are at uni there and have talked to her about where the dodgy parts are and when they know to avoid.

I live elsewhere in Scotland and my DCs went/go to a school with a lot of kids with a diverse cultural background. DC2’s closest friends have an ethnic heritage from countries in North Africa and the ME. One wants to be a doctor, the other a lawyer. One plays the same online games as
DC, the other goes to the same parties. DC met up this weekend with a (different) bunch of kids who recently left school. None are white, I don’t know the ethnic heritage of all are but I had a chat to one of them a few days ago who said how grateful to their parents they were for coming to the UK as they much preferred it for reasons they listed to their parents home country. These are lovely clever polite and respectful hard working kids, at university and ambitious.

We might talk about “communities” as if this draws lines of separation but communities are multi-layered and can also bring us together. You can’t just look around and go “oooh, demographic change”. There are complications but we need to keep talking, be honest, acknowledge and address them. It’s not an inevitable disaster zone.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 19:29

ExtraHotDoubleShot · Today 19:20

So now you’ve realised non white people have contributed to British culture, you can suddenly accept there is a ‘British culture’, say how amazing they are and provide examples of it? 😂

I don't know what your problem is with me, but it's starting to get annoying. For the umpteenth time, I have never once claimed that there is no such thing as British culture. I have asked you to quote back the post(s) where you believe that I said that, but you haven't done so, so I presume that you know they don't exist.

My point all along has been that British culture is constantly evolving and changing, and that as such, there will inevitably be different interpretations of what it actually is.

I'm glad that you seem to have come round to this point of view.

Hopefully we can agree that the video shared by @DorsetKnobBiscuit is a very fine example of contributions from an immigrant becoming a much-loved part of our ever-evolving British culture.

CurdinHenry · Today 19:33

ClairDeLaLune · Today 19:29

Socio-economic discriminator or racist? It’s a fine line.

Dont worry OP, in 50 years we’ll all be dead and AI will rule the world.

It's not a fine line, but I get that a lot of people don't understand the difference

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MsMacheath · Today 19:35

Barrydoughnut · Today 19:29

I was in Glasgow yesterday. I was mainly in the West End so lots of English accents. Still felt Scottish though. Also didn’t feel dodgy in the centre despite the recently bad publicity but my friend’s DCs are at uni there and have talked to her about where the dodgy parts are and when they know to avoid.

I live elsewhere in Scotland and my DCs went/go to a school with a lot of kids with a diverse cultural background. DC2’s closest friends have an ethnic heritage from countries in North Africa and the ME. One wants to be a doctor, the other a lawyer. One plays the same online games as
DC, the other goes to the same parties. DC met up this weekend with a (different) bunch of kids who recently left school. None are white, I don’t know the ethnic heritage of all are but I had a chat to one of them a few days ago who said how grateful to their parents they were for coming to the UK as they much preferred it for reasons they listed to their parents home country. These are lovely clever polite and respectful hard working kids, at university and ambitious.

We might talk about “communities” as if this draws lines of separation but communities are multi-layered and can also bring us together. You can’t just look around and go “oooh, demographic change”. There are complications but we need to keep talking, be honest, acknowledge and address them. It’s not an inevitable disaster zone.

DC met up this weekend with a (different) bunch of kids who recently left school. None are white.

Really? That's quite surprising given that Scotland is, according to the last census, 96% white. And that figure is skewed by Glasgow and to a lesser extent Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen.

Barrydoughnut · Today 19:36

The UK is a small densely populated country. There are strong regional cultures. I wouldn’t risk telling someone from Yorkshire there is no Yorkshire culture and I think if you asked someone who had lived in Yorkshire for even a short period of time what the region’s traits were they would be able to tell you, even if it’s just because they had been specifically told themselves.

XenaSharples · Today 19:39

MsMacheath · Today 19:35

DC met up this weekend with a (different) bunch of kids who recently left school. None are white.

Really? That's quite surprising given that Scotland is, according to the last census, 96% white. And that figure is skewed by Glasgow and to a lesser extent Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen.

Why is that surprising? My closest friends in school were Nigerian and Malaysian. That was in Ireland in the '80s, which was overwhelmingly white.

Barrydoughnut · Today 19:41

MsMacheath · Today 19:35

DC met up this weekend with a (different) bunch of kids who recently left school. None are white.

Really? That's quite surprising given that Scotland is, according to the last census, 96% white. And that figure is skewed by Glasgow and to a lesser extent Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen.

Yes. There were 5 of them inc DC. I know one is of Nigerian heritage and one Bangladeshi, no idea about the others. From the chat about “culture day” at the school, I think there are about 80 different nationalities in the heritage of the backgrounds of the kids at the school (I think this includes regions that span other countries that have their own identity).

JuliaBraverman · Today 19:42

theearthsayshello · Today 13:57

Well put. The majority agree. Mumsnetters are really, genuinely clueless though, or terrified of telling the truth.

It’s always been left leaning and is not a true representation.

MsMacheath · Today 19:44

XenaSharples · Today 19:39

Why is that surprising? My closest friends in school were Nigerian and Malaysian. That was in Ireland in the '80s, which was overwhelmingly white.

Poster's son met up with "a bunch of kids" who'd recently left school - none of whom were white. That's pretty surprising given the demographic of Scotland.

MsMacheath · Today 19:44

Barrydoughnut · Today 19:41

Yes. There were 5 of them inc DC. I know one is of Nigerian heritage and one Bangladeshi, no idea about the others. From the chat about “culture day” at the school, I think there are about 80 different nationalities in the heritage of the backgrounds of the kids at the school (I think this includes regions that span other countries that have their own identity).

Where in Scotland was this?

Barrydoughnut · Today 19:48

Do you think I am lying? I met up with a friend who lives on Ayrshire coast and she mentioned that there were only a few non-white kids at her DC’s school. I’m sure that’s the same in the rural
school where I grew up. It’s not the same in cities.

PrincessofWills · Today 19:56

To the poster who said its not older people who are angry - you're clearly not mixing with the right people. My friends and I of that demographic are very angry.
We're angry that our dread of needing medical care is very real, we are sick to death of war and the bullying political culture of the US which is having an effect worldwide on behaviour, we're very concerned about homelessness, the fact the poor are getting poorer, the general attitude of disrespect permeating from politics down to everyday interactions, the casual racism and I could go on . . .

FlowerBin · Today 20:30

PammyPrang · Today 18:47

My dcs in their early 20s die of envy of my era! When TOTP was must-have viewing and the charts had meaning. When there was all sorts in the top 40, from pop to rock to country to dreadful novelty songs that came out of nowhere.

There was definitely a golden age of pop music and it ain’t now. What classic songs have there been lately? Answer not needed.

My 21y adores music and says the 80s and 90s were the best by far!

ScotiaLass · Today 20:56

CurdinHenry · Today 12:12

I think in Scotland we've never had to face the feeling of the culture you grew up in ceasing to exist. I wish it had changed in a wealthy still in the EU way rather than an anyone to fill the Brexit gaps way tbh (sorry to be a socio-economic discriminator but there we are).

In what tangible ways does the culture you grew up in no longer exist? I am Scottish and lived and worked in Glasgow for almost 25 years and I don't recognise what you are talking about at all. Yes, Glasgow is more diverse than it once was, but the BME population is still less than 20% and it's also a much more vibrant place than it was in the 1990s. What has changed is an optimism for the future that came about as a result of the Garden Festival and the City of Culture status that led to investment in the city. We've not lost that optimism because of immigration or increased cultural diversity. It's happened as a result of decades of austerity and public funding cuts.

MsMacheath · Today 20:57

Barrydoughnut · Today 19:48

Do you think I am lying? I met up with a friend who lives on Ayrshire coast and she mentioned that there were only a few non-white kids at her DC’s school. I’m sure that’s the same in the rural
school where I grew up. It’s not the same in cities.

I'm in Edinburgh. My son went to school in Edinburgh. His school was by a large majority white.

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