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Ultimate Betrayal

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Mufasa1992 · 16/10/2026 21:43

Been bugging me for a while so here we go.

My wife had her graduation this summer, was so proud of her and all the work she put in. I paid for her gown and graduation photos (solo photo and 1 family photo).

because she’s picked an early morning slot - with travel and the kids it was going to be tight us all making it. So we agreed if me and kids missed pre ceremony photos (wife was driving with parents and siblings) we’d take family photos after the ceremony. To get there on time me and kids needed to set off at 08:00 and with kids being very young the intention was never for us to go into ceremony with it being 90 mins. They’d disrupt the whole thing.

well you guess it we didn’t make it out until after 9, then with driving around for ages looking for parking we just arrived at the end of the ceremony in time to take family photos after.

this was a disaster kids were hungry and in tears in all the photos not looking forward the lot.

fast forward to a few days later and we get to see the photos to choose which ones to order. And the wife has taken beautiful happy photos with her parents and siblings prior to me and kids arriving.

I feel totally betrayed

me and kids were only there for 15 mins despite us being stuck in the car for 2.5 hrs to take photos.

we’ve obviously argued and part of me feels guilty for putting a stain on her big day but the other half thinks why would you take photos without us knowing you that only one family photo could be chosen to purchase.

think it hurts more that’s without us shes got a lovely family photos and with me and the kids she’s got a very messed up unhappy photos.

YABU - she never intended to buy photos without us knowing you and kids and was just indulging herself.

YANBU- yeah she stabbed you in the heart, back and everywhere else. She shouldn’t have taken the photo even if the intention was never to buy.

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ThatGoldScroller · Yesterday 09:24

She should have waited and got you in the photo at the birthday.

For the graduation I think she has to pick the best photo, representing the day.

You were very late. I think you should have had “clean” snacks like breadsticks, raisins, water. With children that age after a journey you have to give time out of the car and rushing so they are not upset. You can’t just arrive, park and expect them to smile, although you must know this.

lessglittermoremud · Yesterday 09:24

I had assumed you were a female couple in your original post, it sounded as though it was written by a female because it’s usually women who appreciate family pictures etc more then men who would just see it as no big thing.
Your gender reversal doesn’t really change what I was going to say
Having that amount of young children under 5 meant that it was always going to be a major operation to be organised and up there in time, in hindsight if I had been you I would have travelled up the day before and stayed somewhere locally.
Through your support as a family your DH has been able to achieve this, so I totally understand why you wanted to be there and have a lovely photo.
It sounds like there is a bigger picture of thoughtlessness, not being invited away because they thought you wouldn’t get time off work etc and that needs to be addressed when you are feeling calmer because feeling on the outside of things is really hard.
You are really deep in the trenches at the moment of crazy childhood years, in awhile it won’t be so crazy and you may be able to look back and realise some things weren’t as bad as they seemed at the time.
I think the stress of the day and ending up with no smiling and happy picture of the day to make it all worth while is what seems like a kick in the teeth, some of our best pictures are when someone’s throwing a strop, another looking the wrong way and a dog photobombing. At the time you think they are awful but then down the line you can have abit of a chuckle about them!

CarbootJunction · Yesterday 09:26

Why didn't you just get out of bed earlier?

Calliopespa · Yesterday 09:33

Mufasa1992 · Yesterday 00:13

No buts that’s their dad who they’ve sacrificed spending time with because we’ve all prioritised his degree

So maybe they should have smiled and looked straight ahead ...

It wasn't your dh's fault.

Nayone · Yesterday 09:35

men and their insecurities eh

anyolddinosaur · Yesterday 09:37

You are attaching far too much importance to a few photos. Hire a gown again and take a photo at home or get one of the photoshop experts on Facebook pages to switch the kids faces from another photo.

So what is underlying this is that you've had to make a lot of sacrifices and you are feeling under appreciated. That's understandable but graduation day was not the time to argue about it. Hopefully the degree will lead to a better paid job and more money for the family. Time to look at better contraception so you dont bring more children into a stressed environment. And if you are actually the woman time also to think about becoming less dependent on your husband. Get the kids of to school and nursery and get yourself a job so you have something more significant to obsess over.

Nayone · Yesterday 09:39

Jesus..."ultimate betrayal"

Calliopespa · Yesterday 09:41

Crocsarentslippers · Yesterday 08:35

Except it's a reverse, and she didn't.

It's the best mumset gender bias thread reveal I've seen for a long time on here.

I'm afraid it's unsettled me up to a point as immediately I thought the op was carrying on a like a certain variety of MN Daughter in law.

I am a DIL - I just hope and try not to be that variety.

Calliopespa · Yesterday 09:46

Crocsarentslippers · Yesterday 03:57

This is actually quite an interesting thread and shows Mumsnet in its true colours .

People who think poster is a Man discussing his wife's graduation : "You useless idiot, it's not about you, why didn't you get the kids ready earlier and set off on time? "

People who now know it's a woman discussing her husband's graduation : " Oh you poor dear, having to organise that, he's really selfish, is there normally this level of abuse/ demanding behaviour? ".

Brilliant example of Mumsnet gender bias.

Actually even at the "I am a man" bit I thought the reaction sounded like a DIL. So unpack that as you will ...

Uricon2 · Yesterday 09:47

I think this resentment (complete with hyperbolic language, which hasn't done you any favours) indicates that you have a beef about an accumulation of what are individually minor incidents and your examples involve you being overlooked by the wider family (although on this occasion, they did nothing wrong)

Instead of festering on it, talk to your DH honestly about how you feel and try to find a way through, otherwise you're in for years of this, given the ages of your kids.

Busybeemumm · Yesterday 09:48

Way to go to ruin her special day. You sound controlling and a massive PITA to make this all about you when you are clearly in the wrong.

Why mention you paid for the gown and photos? And moan about one photo when you arrived late (for whatever excuse)? You then had the audacity to argue about it with her instead of profusely apologizing for being late.

I hope she sees your true colours and make some positive changes in her life asap that don't include you.

Yupstillhere · Yesterday 09:50

Reasonable effort, first day I'm guessing. I'll be honest I'd only give this a 5/10. Try to be more realistic.

Mosaic80 · Yesterday 09:52

“Ultimate betrayal”??! Your wife takes a few photos with her family?! I think you need to stop making this about you, apologise to her and tell her how proud you are and buy her one of the nice pics with her family. Surely you knew the kids would need food by the time you got there, did you not have snacks? Do you not get the kids out yourself very often?

gardenflowergirl · Yesterday 10:00

Get over yourself, this is not a betrayal. She obviously wants the best photo of her graduation. It's her achievement, not a family thing. You should have got yourself better organised with the timing of your journey.

Hellohelga · Yesterday 10:02

Ultimate betrayal? It’s just a photo.

BestZebbie · Yesterday 10:03

Mufasa1992 · 16/10/2026 21:58

We had never intended to go into the ceremony but the schedule my kids are very young - think preschool and nursery age. In terms of being late I was getting them ready and fed so we could leave. Was literally up at 6 to get ready and everything packed for the day on my own while my wife set off.

in terms of us missing pre ceremony photos I’d driven around to 6 different car parks for over and hour and they were all full. Had to park miles away and get a taxi just to make it on time. When we did arrive the security wouldn’t let me bring outside food in for the kids so they were hungry.

not like any of it was on purpose but knowing that if she wanted pictures with me and the kids why take them without us. She could only chose one photo. Either with us in it - or without us.

there was no stream so no we couldn’t watch from outside either.

This still shows a huge lack of planning on your part - pack the bags the night before and realise that the university town will be heaving for graduation so all the car parks will be full.

Also - you are only thinking about the photo you paid for, intended for your family, but there were lots of other people in the family photos too. Maybe her parents also wanted to buy a photo for themselves featuring them with their daughter on her graduation day?

Hellohelga · Yesterday 10:06

Hold on, you missed your wife’s graduation and official photos because you left the house a hour late and didn’t pre-book parking, and it’s her fault?

rollingeyes12 · Yesterday 10:08

I think you need a dictionary to look up the definition ultimate

NeverDropYourMooncup · Yesterday 10:09

Mufasa1992 · 16/10/2026 21:58

We had never intended to go into the ceremony but the schedule my kids are very young - think preschool and nursery age. In terms of being late I was getting them ready and fed so we could leave. Was literally up at 6 to get ready and everything packed for the day on my own while my wife set off.

in terms of us missing pre ceremony photos I’d driven around to 6 different car parks for over and hour and they were all full. Had to park miles away and get a taxi just to make it on time. When we did arrive the security wouldn’t let me bring outside food in for the kids so they were hungry.

not like any of it was on purpose but knowing that if she wanted pictures with me and the kids why take them without us. She could only chose one photo. Either with us in it - or without us.

there was no stream so no we couldn’t watch from outside either.

Probably realised that you would inevitably fuck it up for her/him because it's an event that's all about her/him and not you.

Mufasa1992 · Yesterday 10:14

AngelinaFibres · Yesterday 08:44

Ede and Ravenscroft are the gown hiring company. You can hire a gown anytime. You can hire a local photographer with a studio for a time where everyone has been fed/ napped/ got a clean top on. Have photos done if you want them. You can't chsnge what happened on the day. You can change the photo.
P.s. My father graduated in the 60s as a married, mature student with three children under 5. My mums parents looked after us and mum went into the graduation ceremony. I'm crying in all the photos because I hated it when someone pointed a camera at me and expected me to smile. I did it as a 4 year old bridesmaid too. Children pick up on stress. Perfect families only appear on Instagram. In real life they're a bit messy

Yeah but this is a perfect reflection to say ok my family isn’t perfect but this is how it is and I love it.

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MabelAnderson · Yesterday 10:18

Mufasa1992 · 16/10/2026 22:37

No my wife knew I wasn’t there and still allowed the photos with the photographer I paid to be taken

You are married, yet there’s a lot of “I PAID” here. If my DH was treating me like this I would be paying, for a divorce lawyer.
You sound incredibly hard work and resentful.
Re the party photos, maybe your wife didn’t think it was the enormous problem that you seem to think it is. Re the wedding, could you get the time off ? If the sister assumed you couldn’t go, was she right ? Perhaps your wife’s family don’t like you, and maybe all this drama of “ultimate betrayal” is the reason.
With four children, snacks and drinks should have been packed and ready in the car the night before. Im sure it’s hellish in the mornings so you do everything you can in advance. Parking is obviously going to be tricky if a lot of people are graduating, so you did need to leave much earlier.
Re the time slot , Dd had a slot at just this time and she hadn’t left it late, the slots just go incredibly quickly and sometimes there isn’t a choice. You want to blame your wife, your wife who has birthed FOUR children in five years while also doing a degree, for every tiny thing you don’t like. Carry on like this and you won’t have a marriage at all.
Like everyone else I am utterly baffled at why you think your wife having photos with her family is The Ultimate Betrayal. It’s beyond ridiculous, and this sort of overblown me me me drama must be dismal to live with.

Mufasa1992 · Yesterday 10:18

ProudCat · Yesterday 09:13

So sorry, OP, that sounds rubbish.

I was just chatting to my husband about his PhD graduation. Our 3 kids were still young. He organised a babysitter and I went with his mum. His dad paid for the whole family celebration meal afterwards. It was a happy day and I felt part of it because although, obviously, it was his achievement, that was only possible due to our team effort in terms of juggling things while we were raising a family.

Thank you , definitely was a lack of teamwork on the day. But fair enough he had other priorities to focus on so happy to do the heavy lifting just wish he’d smiled in photos with us.

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Lovephil · Yesterday 10:19

If this is your idea of being "stabbed in the heart" etc. and "ultimate betrayal", I hate to think how you would cope with a real problem.

Mufasa1992 · Yesterday 10:22

lessglittermoremud · Yesterday 09:24

I had assumed you were a female couple in your original post, it sounded as though it was written by a female because it’s usually women who appreciate family pictures etc more then men who would just see it as no big thing.
Your gender reversal doesn’t really change what I was going to say
Having that amount of young children under 5 meant that it was always going to be a major operation to be organised and up there in time, in hindsight if I had been you I would have travelled up the day before and stayed somewhere locally.
Through your support as a family your DH has been able to achieve this, so I totally understand why you wanted to be there and have a lovely photo.
It sounds like there is a bigger picture of thoughtlessness, not being invited away because they thought you wouldn’t get time off work etc and that needs to be addressed when you are feeling calmer because feeling on the outside of things is really hard.
You are really deep in the trenches at the moment of crazy childhood years, in awhile it won’t be so crazy and you may be able to look back and realise some things weren’t as bad as they seemed at the time.
I think the stress of the day and ending up with no smiling and happy picture of the day to make it all worth while is what seems like a kick in the teeth, some of our best pictures are when someone’s throwing a strop, another looking the wrong way and a dog photobombing. At the time you think they are awful but then down the line you can have abit of a chuckle about them!

This is exactly what I wanted didn’t matter how the kids looked. It just mattered to us being there. But as you say lesson learnt and yeah some reflections to do

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Mufasa1992 · Yesterday 10:24

Nayone · Yesterday 09:39

Jesus..."ultimate betrayal"

People need to get over the title I wasn’t being that serious.

also I didn’t argue with him on the day I’m not that selfish

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