To expect people ill with Covid stay home?

You've done that thing where you mix up what you would prefer people to do with what they actually need to do.

People do not, in fact, need to ensure they can cover sufficient unpaid/SSP leave to allow them to observe your ideas of necessary home isolation when ill, and indeed some of them will be unable to. Which means they'll carry on as they are. Your options are the state paying for people to stay at home more when ill, or them going out. There's no secret third thing.

I’ll remind you that the state doesn’t have a magic money tree. It just spends other people’s money that it collects in the form of taxes.

So your state option would be better framed as people just fund their own lifestyles themselves (rather than need an inefficient state system to constantly redistribute money from others).

I saw your suggestion about the £300 provision but that wouldn't subsidise a week of SSP for someone on minimum wage and some people can't spare any money. If someone is already struggling financially how do you suggest they save enough for sickness provision?

I'm more than familiar with the 40%+ tax bracket!

I don't know why I'm always shocked by how closed minded and lacking in empathy MN posters can be, but for some reason I still am 🤷‍♀️

Yes, people with infectious diseases (covid or otherwise) should stay home or otherwise reduce transmission of said disease if they can.

£75 is a lot of money for a lot of people (especially those on NMW)!! If staying home would cost them that much then it's totally fair enough for people to prioritise putting food on the table for their family/paying the bills. (Unless they have smallpox and work with vulnerable children obvs.)

Ok apologies, I should have said £375 rather than £300… it doesn’t change the concept: it’s a small amount on top of a daily fee.

You haven't answered my question...

If someone is already struggling financially how do you suggest they save enough for sickness provision?

Cool, when does that start and people start paying more for services like social care, retail and hospitality so that those workers can fund their own lifestyles with wages that afford that?

Or do we just not have those low paid roles at all?

@PeasOff ExpectMore is totally on the wind up. No one can be that clueless.

Well it’s either a wind-up or a willful refusal to understand the reality of life on a low income. Grim either way really!

The whole “I’ve struggled before and worked hard to get where I am” argument is often just faux ignorance masking disdain for people who are less better off financially.

Expecting someone on minimum wage to somehow make financial provision for being ill and surviving on SSP completely ignores the reality of living wage to wage. Afterall, it's easy to lecture people about personal responsibility when you’re looking back on your own struggles from a more comfortable pos

@ExpectMore
So are we in for another 6 weeks of your bullshit? 😱
P.S.
Start your own thread "How to become rich & glib like me".
You've done it and have all the answers! We paupers could ask for tips for our particular situations and then claw our way out just like you did! You could even create "ExpectMore" charitable advice foundation and work towards changing the economic systems all around the world. I beg you - do it! Start today!

@ExpectMore 6 weeks paid? What are your little ones doing while you're on MN?

Then by a process of elimination you've gone for the infecting everyone else option, as there isn't a magic everyone gets paid enough to fund whatever period of SSP you think is appropriate and spends it on that specifically tree either. There seems to be a distinct lack of foliage related solutions for this specific issue. Weird that.

Your second paragraph doesn't bear any relevance to what I wrote.

Or…: people cut their cloth accordingly so their lifestyles match what they can afford?

I’ve worked in 2 of the sectors you mention and managed ok. The issue is lifestyle creep (aka greed)

You’re very defensive.

I’m just suggesting you should recognise the lucky position you’re in.

We don't get paid for the 1st 3 days, that means £600 down a week. Luckily I don't get ill often, but it's a hell of a lot to lose.

There’s no greed about wanting to heat your home and feed your family

They are, which is why they can't afford to be ill and take time off work unless they're physically unable to avoid it, or save for a 'back up' to see them through illnesses that other people think they should stay at home for.

I used the same amount of everything I did 10 years ago but the price of them has at least doubled, my wages have not.

Oh and how do you suggest people navigate disciplinary action from their employer for having too much time off sick? Because that's a big motivator too.

Us povvos should just sit in our cold damp homes with hungry children so that strangers don’t get sick 🙄 after all the poor are dispensable

You abdolutley did not grow up in poverty if you did you wouldnt be lacking in such empathy

Fed up of ill people generally just not staying home until better. I do blame draconian sickness policies which just makes everyone everywhere poorly.
But I can recall endless times I have become ill because some so and so has coughed over me. Thanks. Time this stopped.

It’s a catch 22. A lot of those strangers you’re making sick are poor too.

Sadly I think I’d be wasting my time given the selfishness displayed by many on this thread.

Seems more than I’d imagined only think of themselves and don’t want to plan beyond the end of their noses.

Sleeping. Playing in the garden. Doing crafts. Usual stuff really. Will take them out for lunch soon

My point is it’s not luck. It didn’t just magically happen.

You’re missing the obvious…: people shouldn’t need others to fund their choices for them to make the right one.