AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

This is frightening. Some Palestinians are taught to hate Jews from birth, likely the terrorist Hamas supporters, and some Jews are taught to hate Palestinians from birth. Settlers in the West Bank are a clear example of illegal, racist and hate filled individuals who are active genocide supporters. Many are no different from the racist, hate filled and active genocide Hamas supporters. The hatred on both sides is real and awful amongst the limited group of extremists. The settlers are clearly ideological extremists.

If you see no difference between the Palestinian population, and the people who want them to have a safe home country free from mass killing, and Hamas supporters then that's quite scary. Civilians are not terrorists (on either side). Your view that all Palestinians hate Jews is racist and not compatible with a peaceful society. I hope that you don't work in the NHS because I would be terrified to be treated by you if I was a Palestinian given you've automatically decided that all Palestinians are hate filled people looking to hurt Jews. As we've established on this thread, no one deserves to be fearful when being treated in a hospital.

Political symbols in hospitals should be banned including both Palestinian and Israeli flags.

Anyone wanting guaranteed single sex intimate care would be alarmed by an LGBT friendly lanyard though. Everyone has their own perspective.

I have seen no evidence anyone in the NHS who is not happy about Gaza has translated that into not treating patients- all that has been said is that some patients have been reluctant to ask for Kosher meals- not exactly life threatening, and TBH that is more about the anxiety of the patient than it is about how they have been treated. Should there actually be some evidence that clinical treatment has changed one iota- I'm behind the clinician being pulled up for unprofessionalism.

No, I didn’t make anything up. I know you didn’t report her. You made the allegation here. It’s extremely serious even if not made formally - alleging a Muslim doctor was trying to murder or seriously harm you just for being Jewish by giving you incorrect medicine. I was enquiring about the outcome of their investigation.

ive not abused anything. As I said, I am sad for you both. It’s a terrible state of affairs that you feel so targeted you believe it was on purpose, and that she is being accused of what you are accusing her off. Or even, the very remote possibility, that you are right.

So no, there is no need for me to apologise.

It’s not ‘extremely serious’ to talk about a scary medical incident on an anonymous chat forum and wonder if there might have been some nefarious intent behind it.

Pp mentioning it here has no consequences for the doctor in question.

It’s not ‘extremely serious’ to talk about a scary medical incident on an anonymous chat forum and wonder if there might have been some nefarious intent behind it.

Pp mentioning it here has no consequences for the doctor in question.

Who's in charge? The tail shouldn't be wagging the dog. The NHS exists to provide a service, not to politicise any cause. It's quite simple to say no politicisation is allowed full stop. In fact, Wes Streeting did exactly that when he was Health Sec. Good for him.

I agree with you. The vast majority of people in mainland Britain would think remembering our war dead is a completely normal and non-controversial thing to do. They would not see the poppy as a political symbol.

But if you're arguing that the poppy should be banned in mainland Britain
I'm not arguing it should be banned at all I was highlighting why it is a political symbol. And McClean the footballer referenced in the article I linked got the abuse referenced when he was playing for English League clubs in "mainland" Britain because he refused to wear the poppy!

I can only assume that because PP didn't even know Northern Irish people are British and the way they talk about it that they think we aren't allowed to move and live here, and if we do we aren't really British. It's almost like the completely ignorance of the violence northern Irish people went through contributes to how complex some find the poppy.

No one said just being Palestinian would be antisemitic in itself.

Well they said Palestinians hate Jews, as that’s the way they are brought up. That’s pretty much saying that just by being Palestinians they are antisemitic is it not? “Hating Jews” is antisemitism is it not?!

Agree. The thread is not about poppies but some prefer to focus on poppies than antisemitism in the NHS.

Do you not believe the findings of the report by the international research group Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se) as mentioned above?

Examples in the report include reading comprehension exercises describing terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians as “heroism”, maths exercises asking children to count the number of “martyrs” who died in the First Intifada, and children’s books circulated for National Reading Day depicting a suicide bomber who killed 21 Israeli civilians.

So it is factually correct that Palestinian children are taught to hate Jews. The examples above hardly paint their lessons as peace and love.

The threads moved on a bit. Now apparently just being Palestinian would be an antisemitic in itself. Wonder what any Palestinian doctor or nurse should do to not offend anyone there….

my comment still stands - if you read the subsequent ones I’ve made clear that people should be entitled to receive medical care and not feel threatened and political symbols are not appropriate for front line care for that reason. Neither is antisemitism- obviously. People are however entitled to have their own political opinions (not antisemitism) outside work.

I’ve seen very similar about Jewish children (in the opposite direction obviously).

so you are confirming that all Palestinians are, by virtue of being Palestinians, antisemitic yeah? Not just anti Israel (as we’ve been through now quite a bit, there’s a distinction there), but antisemitisc?

does this inherent antisemitism mean they cannot be trusted to provide health care to Jews? Just due to their nationality? It something goes wrong shall we assume that it was intentional and probably attempted murder? Again, just due to their nationality and this report?

In your pp I was replying to you said you didn’t agree with the celebration of 7/10 or with encouraging people to hurt someone’s relative, but also that as long as the comments were online and not said to patients directly you had no issues with them.

Wha type of comments do you mean though? Because this thread is not just about people criticising the actions of the Israeli government online.
I don’t think OP would have started it if the medical professionals in question had simply expressed their sympathy for Palestinians and criticism for Israel.
On the other band, for me personally, someone “only” celebrating October 7th online is bad enough.

What do you mean who's in charge? These are initiatives created and encouraged by the NHS, so yeah when you give your employees a legal right to do something you're gonna have to have proper logic to take it away

You don’t think it’s serious to accuse a young doctor of attempted murder just because she’s Muslim? Of course that’s an extremely serious allegation to make. And, unless there’s more to it, also extremely Islamophobic.

i have the world of sympathy with the PP who feels this paranoid. As I said numerous times, what an awful state of affairs the world is in if she feels like that and no one should have to live like that. BUT that doesn’t mean it is the doctor’s fault (who presumably is not in any way associated with Hamas ) and it doesn’t mean it’s not Islamophobic. In the same way that if I said a black doctor had tried to kill me by making a serious medical error, just because of a gut feeling and because she was black would be incredibly racist. Fear does not excuse prejudice, even if it might explain why someone might feel like that.

You don’t think it’s serious to accuse a young doctor of attempted murder just because she’s Muslim?

Not on an anonymous forum and without mentioning her name.

Pp didn’t just talk about the incident because the doctor was Muslim, but because she prescribed her medication that was dangerous for someone with her condition.

She also mentioned that the doctor was young, hence the mistake might have been due to her inexperience.
Still, it was a scary experience for pp and she’s entitled to talk about it.