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To think it’s crazy that National Minimum wage is £27k

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Butterflyfluff · 09/10/2026 20:08

Yet it’s not really enough to live on 😢

My first job paid £7.5k per year and I thought I was loaded! And I’m not ancient.

Now 2 people on NMW earn over £50k between them yet it’s really not enough these days.

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AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · 10/10/2026 18:17

Constantrunner · 10/10/2026 18:09

No it depends who they are. You really think gay men jailed for being gay had it better? Or severely disabled people locked up in institutions? Trust me I have a house which is brilliant, but I also had some parts of my life much harder than I would have now.
There is no understanding of what the past was actually like.

On AVERAGE for most people, yes they had it better. Certain groups may not have done but that doesn’t mean that on the whole older people have had and are continuing to have an absolute breeze of an existence

Purpl · 10/10/2026 18:19

Fidgety31 · 09/10/2026 20:18

I think - I work full time demanding non stop mentally exhausting nhs job for not much more than minimum wage.
probably get more of if I didn’t bother and claimed benefits instead tbh .

I reckon your right sadly. Its so unfair penalised for being a conscientious responsible person.

Boreded · 10/10/2026 18:21

Differentforgirls · 10/10/2026 18:15

Yes. Both my husband and myself worked for LG. Education and Social Work. Both jobs took their toll on us mentally. But guess why we stuck it out?

The conditions of service, family friendly policies and our pensions. We both retired at 60.

But you've gone from you only know millionaire pensioners to somehow only knowing people who will work until they die.

No…I’ve gone from all of the pensioners I know were working class and now they can cruise and holiday regularly. I don’t know any rich people, I know people who are bang average pensioners so can go on holiday whenever they want and not worry about life.

I still know (mostly) only working class people, these people will not be able to retire early, or holiday, or do any of the things the pensioners I know can do.

Are you intentionally misunderstanding what I’m saying? Or do you generally not know that I’m saying that the pensioners I know were working class but now have plenty, and the workers are also working class but will not be able to retire like the ones who already did 🫣🙄

Constantrunner · 10/10/2026 18:22

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · 10/10/2026 18:17

On AVERAGE for most people, yes they had it better. Certain groups may not have done but that doesn’t mean that on the whole older people have had and are continuing to have an absolute breeze of an existence

No the nineties was the peak time when things got better for a lot of people.
I lived some of my childhood in the UK in a bona fida slum. In the sixties and seventies kids were taken into care if their parents were homeless and many young single women who got pregnant had their kids taken away from them.

Anyone brought up in the nineties had an easier time. By then things had changed a lot and that is when people did become more well off.

Constantrunner · 10/10/2026 18:28

But all young people care about is house prices.
Not lesbian and gay people thrown out the services for their sexuality and losing their pensions.
Not the extreme racism of the sixties and seventies which is sadly coming back.
Not single mums forced to give up their kids.
Not the many young homeless people in the early eighties sleeping under cardboard homes on the street.
Not lack of safeguarding which saw many children being abused.
Not the literal cages some autistic non verbal teenagers were kept in in mental institutions.
Not lesbians sectioned into mental hospital for being a lesbian.
Or gay men being sent to prison for responding to being chatted up by an undercover policeman.
Not kids in care who were on their own from 16.
Etc etc.
It t was a good time if you were white, straight, able bodied and middle class. Now is a much better time for anyone else.

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · 10/10/2026 18:30

Constantrunner · 10/10/2026 18:22

No the nineties was the peak time when things got better for a lot of people.
I lived some of my childhood in the UK in a bona fida slum. In the sixties and seventies kids were taken into care if their parents were homeless and many young single women who got pregnant had their kids taken away from them.

Anyone brought up in the nineties had an easier time. By then things had changed a lot and that is when people did become more well off.

But the people retiring now were in their late 20s and 30s in the 90s so the peak age to benefit from all the things I have mentioned

Purpl · 10/10/2026 18:32

£27k goes nowhere in SE yet its a very common salary. There no way my DD could move out atm. Its £700 in a not very nice area/house share olus bills & need a car to get to work. Can only hope to keep saving & meet someone. Her whole peer group up to 28 are living with partners between parents housing. For an ordinary person with average grades there isnt much hope of progressing much salary wise the jibs font seem to exist like they did. Even entry level degree jibs are limited in the south east. Its bleak atm.

Differentforgirls · 10/10/2026 18:39

Differentforgirls · 10/10/2026 18:15

Yes. Both my husband and myself worked for LG. Education and Social Work. Both jobs took their toll on us mentally. But guess why we stuck it out?

The conditions of service, family friendly policies and our pensions. We both retired at 60.

But you've gone from you only know millionaire pensioners to somehow only knowing people who will work until they die.

Sorry about the use of "myself". I hate it but think it was an auto correct. 😳

Grendel7 · 10/10/2026 18:48

Butterflyfluff · 09/10/2026 20:08

Yet it’s not really enough to live on 😢

My first job paid £7.5k per year and I thought I was loaded! And I’m not ancient.

Now 2 people on NMW earn over £50k between them yet it’s really not enough these days.

Is isn't 27k or most people are below the poverty line,including me. Before I retired i was on 11k. ( 20k for full time) with no top up financially so 27 sounds a huge amount to me!

Constantrunner · 10/10/2026 18:51

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · 10/10/2026 18:30

But the people retiring now were in their late 20s and 30s in the 90s so the peak age to benefit from all the things I have mentioned

Yes they benefitted from the nineties as adults in their thirties. But often had rocky starts.
When I left school all the pundits were saying lots of USC would never work when we left school at 16. About 15 to 20 years later we hit good times.
You have no idea what life will be like in 15 to 20 years time.

Bernardo1 · 10/10/2026 18:56

It's crazier and obscene, that that the maximum State Pension isn't even 50% of that.

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · 10/10/2026 18:57

Constantrunner · 10/10/2026 18:51

Yes they benefitted from the nineties as adults in their thirties. But often had rocky starts.
When I left school all the pundits were saying lots of USC would never work when we left school at 16. About 15 to 20 years later we hit good times.
You have no idea what life will be like in 15 to 20 years time.

All arrows point towards worse!

Constantrunner · 10/10/2026 18:59

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · 10/10/2026 18:57

All arrows point towards worse!

Yeah that's what everyone said in the early eighties. Manufacturing destroyed, very high unemployment and on the brink of nuclear war. Except they were wrong. Yes manufacturing was destroyed, but life still got better.

Constantrunner · 10/10/2026 18:59

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · 10/10/2026 18:57

All arrows point towards worse!

Yeah that's what everyone said in the early eighties. Manufacturing destroyed, very high unemployment and on the brink of nuclear war. Except they were wrong. Yes manufacturing was destroyed, but life still got better.

BIossomtoes · 10/10/2026 19:00

Constantrunner · 10/10/2026 18:59

Yeah that's what everyone said in the early eighties. Manufacturing destroyed, very high unemployment and on the brink of nuclear war. Except they were wrong. Yes manufacturing was destroyed, but life still got better.

Not for people in the deindustrialised north.

Constantrunner · 10/10/2026 19:09

BIossomtoes · 10/10/2026 19:00

Not for people in the deindustrialised north.

It did get better in the nineties. The unemployment level in the eighties was shocking

Differentforgirls · 10/10/2026 19:11

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · 10/10/2026 18:06

Most posters are in England and speaking from that perspective.

A job for life does not exist in most sectors. Where are these jobs?

Of course right to buy was an abomination - for people now. For people who experienced it, it was a gift from god. In many ways it contributes to the envy that will be felt by younger people - older people had everything and in doing so have totally fucked younger generations over.

People still benefit from final salary pensions if they are the terms the signed up to - many teachers, nhs staff etc who have retired in the last 5-10 years have done so on final salary pensions.

Your endowment mortgage is irrelevant - you had the opportunity to get one. They were an awful idea granted but for many people they allowed them to buy a house they otherwise couldn’t have managed and it worked out fine. At the end of the day they still have it and can now sell it and make hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Why are you so opposed to the idea that the older generation had things better than people do now? They objectively did.

I retired on a mix of final salary and average. I was actually thankful for the average tbh, as I went down to 4 days in my last three years. Plus I lost 5 years as I job shared for 10 when my boys were little.

I think every generation has had good and bad times.

I think we had it bad with high interest rates, 18 weeks maternity leave (6 unpaid), no free childcare, no "topping up" the complete decimation of manufacturing jobs, the sale of the mines, steel works, shipping, road and rail, utilities, telecoms etc.

All of which led to mass unemployment.

Then we ended up with austerity, selling off the little we had left (Royal Mail), and finally Brexit.

People say we are skint due to covid. We are but only because we were completely fucking skint anyway.

Stop blaming people who went through all that and start blaming the Governments who caused it, because otherwise you are doing their job for them.

Divide and conquer.

Differentforgirls · 10/10/2026 19:18

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Differentforgirls · 10/10/2026 19:24

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · 10/10/2026 18:17

On AVERAGE for most people, yes they had it better. Certain groups may not have done but that doesn’t mean that on the whole older people have had and are continuing to have an absolute breeze of an existence

I cannot believe your reply to this. Do You know something? Your generation deserve all you get. Me, me, me.

HopeWithNotes · 10/10/2026 19:25

MyFairLady27 · 09/10/2026 20:19

Well we get by nicely with kids,pets, new cars, holidays,no credit owed to anyone or anything. And get around £20k a year between us as I'm part time atm dh full..Takes good balancing and communication and we do fine and dandy

How??There is absolutely no way you could have holidays, kids, new car on 20,000 unless somebody bought you a house. Or is your rent paid with UC? Or somebody bought your house and a car. Or you get PIP mobility and get a car with that.

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · 10/10/2026 19:26

Differentforgirls · 10/10/2026 19:24

I cannot believe your reply to this. Do You know something? Your generation deserve all you get. Me, me, me.

I really don’t see how pointing out how things are for average people has anything to do with me me me

XenoBitch · 10/10/2026 19:26

HopeWithNotes · 10/10/2026 19:25

How??There is absolutely no way you could have holidays, kids, new car on 20,000 unless somebody bought you a house. Or is your rent paid with UC? Or somebody bought your house and a car. Or you get PIP mobility and get a car with that.

Her DH works cash in hand.

Felixthewonderdog · 10/10/2026 19:26

It’s nuts how it really crept up in the last couple of years

Differentforgirls · 10/10/2026 19:31

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I haven’t said either of these things. 🤷‍♀️