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Kids having to rank their LEAST favourite classmates?

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SwizzlesTwizzles · 25/09/2026 12:46

My DD is in year 3 and this morning she told me that yesterday everyone in the class was asked to write down the three children they most like to play with, and the three children they least like to play with. They were given a list of each child's peg number and they were told to write down the number rather than the name. I don't know the purpose of this but last time they had to say their top 3 friends it was because they were mixing the classes up. I can see a purpose for having to write down your best friends, maybe it's for mixing up the seating arrangements or something. But I can't see what a good reason might be to make them all list their least favourite kids! Yes they didn't write names but every kid knows their own number, it wouldn't ensure confidentiality. I can also imagine the potential for whispering, asking their friends who they put down, and it seems counterproductive to good class relations to ask kids to think about and cement in their heads which kids they like least. DD told me which kids she put down, and it's the 3 who have SEN. I wonder if they appear on a lot of the lists and it makes me very sad to think about. I certainly don't like the idea that there might have been kids yesterday who wrote down my DD as one of their least favourite classmates and gave that to the teacher! Should I email the school about this?

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Paganpentacle · 25/09/2026 13:43

I see no issue here.
The kids can't sit where they like.
Cant choose who they are grouped with.
Might possibly have someone who follows them around and aggravates the fuck out of them and wont take no for an answer.
Its only for teachers use o they can group or separate and keep everyone happy.
I doubt they displayed the results....

TheMammySheep · 25/09/2026 13:43

This is awful and I feel so sorry for the children in that class. I think you should definitely speak to the teacher

Widoeeyes · 25/09/2026 13:45

movinghomeadvice · 25/09/2026 13:09

Student Y, who seems joined at the hip to X, wrote ‘please don’t put me in a room with X because they annoy me’. Within another friendship group, several students asked not to be grouped with certain members of that friendship group.

They are 12, so always lots of friendship drama going on, but I was really surprised at some of the responses.

Ooh… it’s probably good to sometimes split friendship groups

damekindness · 25/09/2026 13:46

Pipthesqueak · 25/09/2026 13:00

This is a specific exercise by Rudolf Dreikurs. There are more questions to it than just those. It helps teachers get a sense of the social web of the classroom and can be extremely helpful for a teacher. It's called a classroom sociogram if you want more information about what a teacher may use this information for. It's really primarily about identifying children who lack a sense of social and/or academic belonging.

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I remember a student teacher doing this when I was in Junior School around 50 plus years ago. I then saw a sort of spider diagram with my class mates names on. I don’t remember being upset by it but a little intrigued. After all this time it’s interesting to find out what it was all about

B1anche · 25/09/2026 13:46

Timeforachange26 · 25/09/2026 12:51

Only for the kids no one likes. And there would be a reason why if the same names kept appearing at the " unfavoured"

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Not necessarily. It could be because the child is shy and doesn't know how to make friends, or perhaps has learning difficulties or, as in the case of a girl at my primary school, was neglected by her parents so always had dirty hair and clothes.

B1anche · 25/09/2026 13:50

BirdLandedonmyHead · 25/09/2026 13:29

Bullies charter. The kids will discuss it.

Exactly! I'm sure they were all telling each other who they put as their faves and least faves. It must be pretty heartbreaking hearing your name mentioned in the second category no matter what the reasons.

Pipthesqueak · 25/09/2026 13:50

SwizzlesTwizzles · 25/09/2026 13:36

Okay, maybe it was this but doesn't it still cause issues for kids to be asked those questions? Regardless of whether it's for a 'classroom sociogram' or not?

I think there's certainly the potential for kids to say something mean to each other like "I said i didn't like to play with you." A decent teacher should introduce it in a way that minimizes that risk. Hopefully your child's teacher is decent! But I think in the long run the benefit outweighs the potential harm. For instance, a very shy introverted boy put down he least wanted to play with his supposed best friend. Teachers had put them together for years thinking the more extroverted best friend was a type of security blanket for the introverted boy. But the introverted boy did not like this friend at all and felt totally smothered and trapped in the friendship. I would have never known otherwiseno teacher ever suspected this!and I was able to separate them and frequently pair the introverted boy with another child who included him on his "like to play" list.

WaryCyanStork · 25/09/2026 13:51

I remember doing this before school residentials, at both primary and secondary. We were asked to name people we would most like and least like to share a room with.

I don't remember it leading to any issues on the playground. Kids who really dislike another kid will either be making it known already, or will know that would be mean, regardless of the form.

JontyGentooey · 25/09/2026 13:53

Timeforachange26 · 25/09/2026 12:51

Only for the kids no one likes. And there would be a reason why if the same names kept appearing at the " unfavoured"

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Fucking hell 🙄

AmethystDeceiver · 25/09/2026 13:54

Pipthesqueak · 25/09/2026 13:50

I think there's certainly the potential for kids to say something mean to each other like "I said i didn't like to play with you." A decent teacher should introduce it in a way that minimizes that risk. Hopefully your child's teacher is decent! But I think in the long run the benefit outweighs the potential harm. For instance, a very shy introverted boy put down he least wanted to play with his supposed best friend. Teachers had put them together for years thinking the more extroverted best friend was a type of security blanket for the introverted boy. But the introverted boy did not like this friend at all and felt totally smothered and trapped in the friendship. I would have never known otherwiseno teacher ever suspected this!and I was able to separate them and frequently pair the introverted boy with another child who included him on his "like to play" list.

But you can just ask those questions - who do you want to sit next to/ play with etc - without introducing a ranking element. I would be furious if this happened in my child's school and would be straight to the head and board of governors. This is shocking and not all inclusive.

Find a better way!

SwizzlesTwizzles · 25/09/2026 13:54

Pipthesqueak · 25/09/2026 13:50

I think there's certainly the potential for kids to say something mean to each other like "I said i didn't like to play with you." A decent teacher should introduce it in a way that minimizes that risk. Hopefully your child's teacher is decent! But I think in the long run the benefit outweighs the potential harm. For instance, a very shy introverted boy put down he least wanted to play with his supposed best friend. Teachers had put them together for years thinking the more extroverted best friend was a type of security blanket for the introverted boy. But the introverted boy did not like this friend at all and felt totally smothered and trapped in the friendship. I would have never known otherwiseno teacher ever suspected this!and I was able to separate them and frequently pair the introverted boy with another child who included him on his "like to play" list.

That is interesting thank you. Now if you google Dreikurs classroom sociogram controversy this thread comes up so can't have been discussed much in the past!

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JustAnotherWhinger · 25/09/2026 13:56

Pipthesqueak · 25/09/2026 13:13

I've just told you why it was done. Those are exact questions from Dreikurs classroom sociogram. When I was a teacher I always had one of the most harmonious classrooms in my school and I'm certain knowledge I gained from the classroom sociogram helped that. It'd be a shame for you to complain about a decades old well researched and designed assessment and for your complaint to ultimately make the classroom environment less harmonious.

You’ve told the OP why you did it.

It’s also interesting that you’ve automatically twisted her saying she’s going to email and ask into a complaint. Asking questions of a teacher is not automatically a complaint.

bafta16 · 25/09/2026 13:56

PermanentTemporary · 25/09/2026 12:49

Bloody hell. That sounds like collectively years worth of therapy for that class. What was their teacher thinking?

It sounds very clumsy. I can't imagine it will be the source of needing therapy.

muggart · 25/09/2026 13:58

Pipthesqueak · 25/09/2026 13:13

I've just told you why it was done. Those are exact questions from Dreikurs classroom sociogram. When I was a teacher I always had one of the most harmonious classrooms in my school and I'm certain knowledge I gained from the classroom sociogram helped that. It'd be a shame for you to complain about a decades old well researched and designed assessment and for your complaint to ultimately make the classroom environment less harmonious.

but you are only speaking from the perspective of a teacher, who will have limited, if any, insight about whether the children knew where they ranked and if so how they were affected by it.

the OP isn’t asking about what makes the teacher’s job easiest. she’s interested in the children’s welfare.

JustAnotherWhinger · 25/09/2026 14:00

This is something I saw used a lot when I first started working in education, but I’ve not known anyone use it for years now because of the potential negative impact. That is especially a risk with young children who are more prone to speaking without considering feelings or who is around.

There are better ways of working out who children least enjoy spending time with than asking them to write it down. Especially in an open classroom where they may actually feel unable to be honest

JustAnotherWhinger · 25/09/2026 14:00

This is something I saw used a lot when I first started working in education, but I’ve not known anyone use it for years now because of the potential negative impact. That is especially a risk with young children who are more prone to speaking without considering feelings or who is around.

There are better ways of working out who children least enjoy spending time with than asking them to write it down. Especially in an open classroom where they may actually feel unable to be honest

sherbetlemonade · 25/09/2026 14:05

My dd once had a close but extremely controlling, dominant and overbearing friend at school, who wouldn't leave her alone and would sit with her during class, then play with her in the playground (driving others off), insist on sitting together at lunch, and basically treated dd like her own personal possession. The staff treated them like two peas in a pod and encouraged it. My dd found it stifling and it began to distress her a lot, but was too scared to say anything in case it upset her friend. I didn't know about it until long afterwards.

So in a way, I can see how this might help a few children to voice their feelings.

Favouritefruits · 25/09/2026 14:06

Whose clever idea was this! It’s awful, my son has SEN and he’s be on everyone’s least like to play with list! It’s hurtful and unnecessary! I’d make a complaint and I’m never one for complaining.

bafta16 · 25/09/2026 14:07

sherbetlemonade · 25/09/2026 14:05

My dd once had a close but extremely controlling, dominant and overbearing friend at school, who wouldn't leave her alone and would sit with her during class, then play with her in the playground (driving others off), insist on sitting together at lunch, and basically treated dd like her own personal possession. The staff treated them like two peas in a pod and encouraged it. My dd found it stifling and it began to distress her a lot, but was too scared to say anything in case it upset her friend. I didn't know about it until long afterwards.

So in a way, I can see how this might help a few children to voice their feelings.

That's interesting. My son was dominated by a "friend" until he broke away in Year 8. It caused problems for the other family. Looking back it was really unhealthy.

MommaMia26 · 25/09/2026 14:08

Pipthesqueak · 25/09/2026 13:50

I think there's certainly the potential for kids to say something mean to each other like "I said i didn't like to play with you." A decent teacher should introduce it in a way that minimizes that risk. Hopefully your child's teacher is decent! But I think in the long run the benefit outweighs the potential harm. For instance, a very shy introverted boy put down he least wanted to play with his supposed best friend. Teachers had put them together for years thinking the more extroverted best friend was a type of security blanket for the introverted boy. But the introverted boy did not like this friend at all and felt totally smothered and trapped in the friendship. I would have never known otherwiseno teacher ever suspected this!and I was able to separate them and frequently pair the introverted boy with another child who included him on his "like to play" list.

Out of curiosity how would you introduce this in a way that minimizes the risk of children talking about who they chose as their ‘least favourite’?

I’ve definitely spoken to my students about certain dynamics in the classroom (although the girls I taught were much older), but I honestly can’t think of a way of doing it that wouldn’t have caused drama.

concertinacornflake · 25/09/2026 14:14

Pipthesqueak · 25/09/2026 13:13

I've just told you why it was done. Those are exact questions from Dreikurs classroom sociogram. When I was a teacher I always had one of the most harmonious classrooms in my school and I'm certain knowledge I gained from the classroom sociogram helped that. It'd be a shame for you to complain about a decades old well researched and designed assessment and for your complaint to ultimately make the classroom environment less harmonious.

The OP didn't say she would complain.
You're being pretty rude.

Whaleandsnail6 · 25/09/2026 14:15

I'm not normally one for "contact the school" but I'd definitely be asking for a conversation about this with the teacher.

If it is as the child reported, its disgusting.

We all know children will have other kids they prefer the company of, gel with more, like to play with, but to be encouraged to write down the kids they don't want/like to play with is cruel and harmful to subjective minds. Kids at that age will talk about who they put on each list...how hurtful 😓

Surely just asking kids to write down 3 names they like to play with most and the teacher could then work out if any names are not on any lists/surprises where assumptions about friendships may have previously been made and then make a conscious effort to try change things without the need for encouraging them to explicitly write who they don't want.

concertinacornflake · 25/09/2026 14:15

JustAnotherWhinger · 25/09/2026 14:00

This is something I saw used a lot when I first started working in education, but I’ve not known anyone use it for years now because of the potential negative impact. That is especially a risk with young children who are more prone to speaking without considering feelings or who is around.

There are better ways of working out who children least enjoy spending time with than asking them to write it down. Especially in an open classroom where they may actually feel unable to be honest

Yes it feels outdated.

Bushmillsbabe · 25/09/2026 14:19

5128gap · 25/09/2026 13:36

Asking children who they do and don't like to play with is a remarkably poor way to select well functioning working groups. The teacher should be looking to form groups that take into account personality types, ability, confidence etc and either grouping with similarity in mind (quieter DC altogether so they are not dominated) or a mix for balance. Life isn't about doing everything with people you like best or who are most fun socially, it's about learning to build relationships with all types of people.

This. A much better question is something like 'who do you work best with'. DD at nearly 11 knows very well if she sits next to her closest friends she doesn't get much work done, and same if she sits next to a child who is constantly asking her questions, taking her stuff or trying to distract her. She will tell me who she wants to sit next to, and it's usually one of the quieter studious children. This question tells the teacher information about both the other children and the person answering - it would tell a teacher that DD wants to do well and has the self awareness to understand she is easily distracted.

C8H10N4O2 · 25/09/2026 14:20

SwizzlesTwizzles · 25/09/2026 13:36

Okay, maybe it was this but doesn't it still cause issues for kids to be asked those questions? Regardless of whether it's for a 'classroom sociogram' or not?

I'd like to see the peer reviewed research that evidences the claims made for classroom sociograms, especially when conducted and interpreted by classroom teachers.

I'm aware there is quite the sales pitch to schools to use online tools for these sociograms with claims about improving behaviour. The companies are notably shy about providing links to evidence backing up the claims or even that they provide any information that a decent primary class teacher does not have from spending all day every day with their class.

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