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Was I the asshole?

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BadLayout · 19/09/2026 17:53

I’m on holiday in a European country.

Stopped at a tourist site that’s free to enter, and open air (so not a museum etc.).
The site contains a number of items of interest- let’s say they’re sculptures.

Lots of tourists wandering around, going from sculpture to sculpture, taking photos etc.

I got to a particular sculpture which is quite large and round and there weren’t many people at it. I was looking at it for a few second. Spotted a man at the other side of the sculpture waving at me. I cocked my head towards him to see what he wanted and he gestured to show that he wanted to take a photo but wanted me to move out of the way (literally flapped his wrist in a “shoo” motion and pointed to where I should stand instead) so I wouldn’t be in the way. I said it’s fine, I don’t mind if I’m in the background, and he said he wanted me to move because he just wanted a photo of the sculpture without anyone in it.

I laughed and stayed where I was until I was ready to move away and see the next sculpture.

He got very irate when I wouldn’t move, and started gesturing in quite an animated way for me to move out of his frame.

Interestingly, just as I was leaving, another man came along and the first man didn’t ask him to move at all.

Was IBU? Because I think that, if you’re a tourist amongst tourists at a busy sightseeing spot, you don’t get to dictate where people can and cannot stand.

OP posts:
Yetone · 20/09/2026 16:03

gabsdot45 · 20/09/2026 15:47

This happened to me once. There was a long sign with the name of the town in large letters and it had a bench in front of it.
I was sitting on the bench to the side but still in front of the sign along with a few other people
A young guy can't along and asked us to ask to move so that he could be in a photo in front of the sign. He gestured his request.
None of us moved and he was very irritated.
I think he was being unreasonable and so was your guy OP

Yes, we were asked at London Zoo by a couple of teachers if we could get out of the way of the ‘London Zoo’ sign so that they could take a picture of it. We had our picnic spread out!! They wanted to put the whole group next to the sign. We did move but I don’t think we would do again on reflection. Talk about entitled!

Neuronimo · 20/09/2026 16:07

YANBU I think you might have moved if he'd asked respectfully. I do think that photography has gone mad these days. I am short and often can't see objects of interest because of a sea of arms, iphones and ipads.

It particularly made me sad at Christ Church Oxford recently, I've no clear memory of what we'd seen. It even seems to happens at the theatre lately. It would be nice to be able to contemplate things without feeling under pressure to move.

BadgerBob · 20/09/2026 16:27

Yes, it is entirely possible that the hand gesture he made is perfectly acceptable in his culture. Without knowing which culture that is, I have no idea if that's the case.

But why wouldn't you step aside so he could take a picture? It is such a minor inconvenience that I hesitate to call it an inconvenience at all. Although I am a dyed-in-the-wool feminist, I genuinely don't view this interaction as being an example of sexism. The fact that he didn't ask the man to move means nothing. Maybe he thought there was no point in making the request again, after your response.

pinkyredrose · 20/09/2026 17:33

Although I am a dyed-in-the-wool feminist, I genuinely don't view this interaction as being an example of sexism. The fact that he didn't ask the man to move means nothing.

Hmm
JMSA · 20/09/2026 17:40

If he had been polite, I’d have moved. But not when I’m shooed like a stray cat.
YANBU.

JLou08 · 20/09/2026 17:41

Yes, you were the arsehole. Moving away for a few seconds so he could take a picture would have done you no harm, you just wanted to be an arsehole for the sake of it.

BadgerBob · 20/09/2026 17:45

pinkyredrose · 20/09/2026 17:33

Although I am a dyed-in-the-wool feminist, I genuinely don't view this interaction as being an example of sexism. The fact that he didn't ask the man to move means nothing.

Hmm

If you're going to quote me, you may wish to quote the post in its entirety.

Redsofacushionsandsnacks · 20/09/2026 17:49

Op, you are wasting an awful lot of mental energy on something totally irrelevant. Should you have moved for the photo? Yes. That is all. Don’t over think it. Not everything in life is something to get riled up about. You are literally shortening your own life span.

Morepositivemum · 20/09/2026 17:50

He was an asshole but you could have moved!!

pinkyredrose · 20/09/2026 17:55

BadgerBob · 20/09/2026 17:45

If you're going to quote me, you may wish to quote the post in its entirety.

I don't think it makes much difference!

thegrumblingkitten · 20/09/2026 17:57

BadLayout · 19/09/2026 18:22

Genuinely- why?

Why is a woman allowed to look at something for a maximum length of time determined by a man?

I land here after thinking about it. He was rudely shooing a woman away from a popular tourist site that she was enjoying/studying. He notably didn't try to shoo the male tourist who appeared to do the same thing.

Sometimes we don't get to take the pictures we want to take it busy, public spaces. It really is that simple.

BadgerBob · 20/09/2026 18:47

pinkyredrose · 20/09/2026 17:55

I don't think it makes much difference!

If you don't think so, fair play to you. I disagree but I respect your opinion. However, I did specifically indicate why I thought the man's actions can't automatically be ascribed to sexism, and you cut that part out of the quoted post.

maxslice · 20/09/2026 20:36

Badleg89 · 19/09/2026 17:57

Ive said you are being unreasonable because where would be the harm in moving over a little? Just a nice thing to do

Also, photos are taken in fractions of a second. You were being unreasonable.

maxslice · 20/09/2026 20:41

Yetone · 20/09/2026 16:03

Yes, we were asked at London Zoo by a couple of teachers if we could get out of the way of the ‘London Zoo’ sign so that they could take a picture of it. We had our picnic spread out!! They wanted to put the whole group next to the sign. We did move but I don’t think we would do again on reflection. Talk about entitled!

Oh, my gosh, did it take them an hour to take a photo? Well, then, stand your ground! Less than 30 seconds? You were being unreasonable.

pinkyredrose · 21/09/2026 11:40

maxslice · 20/09/2026 20:36

Also, photos are taken in fractions of a second. You were being unreasonable.

If only they took a fraction of a second!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/09/2026 11:43

People and their need to take photos of absolutely everything with no one in shot is getting absolutely exhausting!

See the queues on top of Yr Wyddfa/ Snowdon for example. Preventing actual climbers from getting to just touch the trig (summit).

I might have accommodated him but I agree that his manner of asking would have put me off- and really this whole thing is getting too much!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/09/2026 11:45

maxslice · 20/09/2026 20:41

Oh, my gosh, did it take them an hour to take a photo? Well, then, stand your ground! Less than 30 seconds? You were being unreasonable.

I think the issue was, they’d have had to pack up their whole picnic to move!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/09/2026 11:46

Neuronimo · 20/09/2026 16:07

YANBU I think you might have moved if he'd asked respectfully. I do think that photography has gone mad these days. I am short and often can't see objects of interest because of a sea of arms, iphones and ipads.

It particularly made me sad at Christ Church Oxford recently, I've no clear memory of what we'd seen. It even seems to happens at the theatre lately. It would be nice to be able to contemplate things without feeling under pressure to move.

Cameras out during the bows! Just ridiculous.

Remember what you saw in your head!

I don’t mind people taking photos of their view before the play starts review sites as those are helpful, but I feel like the bows are part of the show and like to see them.

RealFlawless · 21/09/2026 11:47

ESH. He should have asked politely. You should have moved.

Coffeeandallthebooks · 21/09/2026 11:49

You should have pushed him in!

I had a similar experience with a man trying to pose two women on a bridge and take pictures yelling at people to move on the (crowded) bridge.

It was a major transit route at Alton Towers, the mind boggles at the entitlement.

onmylastnerveseriously · 21/09/2026 11:51

ToadRage · 19/09/2026 18:25

I think it was quite rude of you to not move away so he could take a nice photo. It the place was crowded it may not have been a problem but you were the only one spoiling his picture and YATA.

Don’t be daft: he shooed her! Beyond rude and he deserved to be ignored.

Foolish1984 · 21/09/2026 11:52

Common decency has been all but obliterated. Would it really be that hard to move away for a matter of seconds? Then again, he could’ve had the decency to ask politely. In either case, common decency & politeness towards others is becoming a thing of the past

DearlyDiego · 21/09/2026 12:18

All the references to this being a cultural thing are BS, in my opinion. This took place in Europe. To shoo someone away would pretty much be considered universally rude anywhere in Europe.

The OP has later confirmed he looked East Asian, so yeah, probably a cultural thing. But he's not in his own country so he should adapt. Same way that I wouldn't snog my boyfriend in public in Saudi Arabia and I'd wear something conservative if visiting the Vatican. Civilised people adjust their behaviour to the local expectations.

He was rude, OP and I wouldn't have budged, In fact, I'd have settled in for the long haul.

Cla7 · 21/09/2026 12:24

I think it depends on the amount of time you took there. I usually wait a couple of minutes for people to move if I want to take a photo of something. If a person wants to spend a lengthy time in front of a sculpture (which is fine of course) I think it’s nice to step aside for a short time to allow others to take a photo.

Livpool · 21/09/2026 12:27

YABU - why is it such a big deal to move for 10 seconds? How was your enjoyment affected by moving aside? Loads of people want photos free of people.

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