25 Years on from the biggest terrorist attack and Iran still funding proxies

Osama Bin Laden said when claiming responsibility for 9/11 called for "Free Palestine". Then, people in the West were overwhelming on the side of UK/US in the pursuit of terrorists. What has happened? These same Islamic terrorists still have the same aim to destroy the West. When Israel was attacked ( in a much worse more personal attack involving so many more people proportionally to the population on October 7th) you had Palestinian Action filing for marches in London on October 8th 2023 before Israel had even counted their dead or made any response. That is because that is what was planned.......the aim was to drum up anti- Israel rhetoric. Hamas have achieved their goal- they didn't care about dead civilians, the more dead the better for their ideology. " martyrs". These weren't "grassroots" protests- they were planned and executed with precision and have now infiltrated college campuses in the UK and US with their harmful ideology. And they seem to have succeeded.

Everyone who values freedom should be against this ideology.

Free Gaza- from Hamas
Free Lebanon- from Hezbolah
Free Yemen- from the Houthis
Free Iran- from the IRGC

It is about time Saudia Arabia came clean about its (alleged) involvement. The wife of one of those who died in 9/11 said this today during the ceremonial reading of names.

You're absolutely spot on.

And your point is?

Well yes...none of it is good.

You're not being unreasonable @REMEMBERthemALL

Iran are still funding proxies but there seems to be an acceptance of it now and the very little condemnation of the IRGC, Hamas, Hezbollah or the Houthis.

The condemnation is nearly all geared towards the West now. Yet we are the West (most of us on Mumsnet) surely.

Iran are still funding proxies but there seems to be an acceptance of it now and the very little condemnation of the IRGC, Hamas, Hezbollah or the Houthis

IRGC, Hamas, Hezbollah are all proscribed in the UK and the Houthis are heavily sanctioned. That is condemnation isn't it?

"Evil will not win".

Look, widescale loss of civilian life if obviously appalling, but let's not try and equate the US with "good" - and they seem pretty hellbent on destroying "The West" themselves.

And yet all the left seem to bang on about is Palestine. Wonder why 🤔

It isn't the biggest terrorist attack. Just the biggest affecting Americans. Or do you consider the others acts of war ?

Condemnation from the UK government.

I don't see much condemnation of them on Mumsnet or elsewhere, considering.

To try to frame the motives of Bin Laden et al as "they hate our freedom" is so spectacularly wrong and jingoistic it's both sickening and deeply misleading.

The primary motivation was the perceived meddling by the West in the politics, economics and conflicts of the Middle East. That's what Bin Laden, his backers and his adherents saw themselves as striking a blow against. It wasn't about our "freedom", it was about - from their point of view - countries thousands of miles away playing power games in their home countries.

An act planned by a Saudi bafflingly resulted in the US and allied complete destruction of Iraq and a 20 year occupation of Afghanistan, opened the way for ISIS to bring Syria into it and strengthened Iran’s resolve to resist western aggression.

And around the circle we go.

Nah, the US really cares about Freedom and Democracy!

Hence their attempts at the liberation of Canada.

If you read what I wrote as making excuses for Bin Laden then you really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Hence their current friendship with Saudi A and trade sanctions on Canada who took in thousands of mostly Americans that day when the latter's air space was closed.

I'd hoped my tongues in-cheekness was obviously perceptible.

Fuck the US.

But it is not Iran, itis Saudi Arabia and always has been.
Iran became quite westernised and progressive until the 1979 religious uprising that brought down the Shah.
America is being played and manipulated.

And the USA is still funding proxies doing awful things

When you say they hate the freedoms in the west, and want to destroy it, can you explain why ?

This is something I often hear, but I have never heard the people who say it give a reason as to why they do.

For example. There are 1.4 billion people in China who have nothing like the freedom found in the west. But we don't hear anyone saying the Chinese want to destroy the west because of freedoms.

I remember Bin Laden did give a reason for the attack, but I don't recall it was to do with hating freedom. I thought it was about US troops, or infidels, being in Saudi Arabia. He did not want "non believers" in what he considered as a holy land.