To say my DS cant keep missing school because the school “cant cope”??

I have massive respect to anyone working in education and SEN at present. There's no funding, schools are expected to just get on with things with no support. I'm not suprised staff are leaving.

If school is not coping with your son's behaviour - and you said it yourself he has been struggling with school for a while - pressuring them to do more won't help. It sounds like mainstream may not be the answer for him. Better to look at other education options now when he is 9 rather than wait until he's older.

First off, this is a new school year and there will be a settling in period. For some this shows immediately and for some it won’t be for a few weeks.
from everything you’ve said I’d say it’s a teacher stamping authority across the class from the beginning of the year, for your son it’s absolutely terrified he does something wrong and reacting immediately instead.

Some questions - is he medicated? Have you explored this? Does he have a timetable to follow throughout the day? Could this be introduced? What does “helping” him look like to you? Could a reduced timetable help short term? Have you had a meeting with his teacher and head teacher? Can you arrange one?

unfortunately, throwing anything is a danger to others (and will terrify the others even if none have ever been harmed) and can see why it’s suggested he is collected HOWEVER.. this should all be in a plan with school for him. Slow start, regular brain breaks, calm room to visit (perhaps scheduled so he follows routine) and some time and support from his new teacher!!

I’m in Scotland so don’t know the whole EHCP thing and how exactly you guys work but hopefully some of the things mentioned above may help.

I have no doubt things will settle, he needs a little time and patience!

No but they must do the PAPERWORK.

It helps the child as it builds evidence a new setting may be needed.

It helps the school because it evidences more LA support may be needed.

Besides they are required to do it. I wouldn't want my child (SEN or not) in a school not following legal requirements, because what else aren't they doing properly?

The EHCP is a legal document issued by the local authority detailing the child's needs and the support they should receive to meet them.

One of the questions here is whether the school is actually complying with the EHCP as the child has been there for 5 years without (it sounds like) such major problems.

Thats terrible.... specialist schools are needed more than ever

What is it you expect ref 'proper required support'?

Depends on the child and their needs.

Distorted interpretation? Of legal requirements?

Thanks!
We have similar (not called EHCP) but made at the school with head teacher, deputy head, (ASN provision if required) and parent.

In this situation I’d call an immediate meeting with head to discuss and get this sorted, if support is supposed to be in place then school should comply and child should also know what is in place for them 🤯

Another thing that comes to mind, your son seems to struggle with the work complexity increasing, cannot keep up especially in a busy classroom and is upset when it's pointed out he got things wrong. Did he have a recent educational psychology assessment for his EHCP?

Hello, the 1930s are calling. These aren't badly behaved children they have send!

Thank god I work in a school with SLT who acknowledge this and frequently remind everyone! Shame they can't educate everyone else too.

Yes that's true. eg. Kids trying to scroll on an actual book. That's an example. obv not saying that's anyone's kids here. But it is a thing. Starting school having never touched a book. No books in the house. And yes - getting rid of Sure Start - was a terrible decision. Labour should revive Sure Start.

I just spotted this thread. Mind boggling. What are people (not) doing with their kids?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5577511-to-be-shocked-at-school-readiness?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Yes I can do, he's a good MP.

Indeed and if LA's didn't kick the can down the road when help is requested by refusing to put early support in place, they wouldn't end up spending millions on the AP and transport and specialist settings that these children end up requiring once they're too traumatised to attend mainstream anymore. If they'd invested in send settings they wouldn't be paying out 100k per child plus to attend an independent one because it's the only one available. If they stopped spending money on legal action they have zero chance of defending they'd have more money for actual send support. I could go on.

I have certainly considered sending mine a bill for my time! After two years I'd lost all trust in them and hence chose a school in a different borough (it costs us about a grand a year in train fares). While I was researching I discovered that 20% of their EHCP kids are "exported" to other boroughs.

Mine is too. I've written to him several times. We got a ready to build special school cancelled here.

I'm not sure I totally trust the motives of that poster.

Certainly when I was at primary in the 70s there was direct teaching of shoe lacing (possibly comparable in difficulty to doing up a modern day cheapo plastic zip) and intensive discussion of why one might carry spare knickers!

Yes, but yours are non statutory and non enforceable and there's no legal process sitting behind them.

Which is what you need when things go wrong. In a good school (which yours sounds) you don't have to act defensively.

Worth remembering the grant per child is higher in Scotland and teacher salaries. And healthcaee funding is higher per head. So a little more money about. Plus I think the National/Higher system gives a little more flexibility at senior without the temptation to manage kids out. Which you guys can't easily do either!

Me either.

In our LA there was a distinct lack of provision for those who were academically able but couldn't cope in mainstream. All the specialist schools were for PMLD/moderate learning difficulties/physical and complex medical needs. We had one school in the whole county for asd which was too far for many to travel and severely oversubscribed. So you can imagine how many got shipped out of county or into independents. They have now built some semh settings and opened some units attached to mainstreams. However, they are now using the units to dump children who should be in the above specialist settings (to save money no doubt) meaning the units are unsuitable for the very children they were built for - because they are too academically able/or they're too verbal and the rest of the cohort aren't! So yet again they get shipped off to expensive independent settings because that's all that's available.

This is very similar to my LA.

My son can cope in mainstream with his very good EHCP but if he couldn't, he'd probably (eventually!) end up in an expensive private school out of the area funded by the LA because none of the specialist schools in the area would be suitable for him.

Im not sure why you're putting "violent tendencies" in parentheses. Throwing a chair across a classroom as the OP has described cant be constituted as anything but violent.
If someone was describing domestic situation as such, MN would be unanimous in "LBT" rhetoric.

A risk of harm in a mainstream school environment is unmanageable, and if harm were to be in uncurred and it was proven that the a school were aware of the probably risk, there would be a full on investigation happening. I'm speaking from the perspective from having a SIL teaching in a mainstream primary school that has endured kicks and punches plus also had to sacrifice lunch and breaks to change feeding tubes and clean up children with severe physical disabilities. She's in her forties yet is seriously considering leaving the profession because she will not be physically able to teach as well as take in the carer, nursing and security requirements of what teaching expects these days.
My FIL also worked for a few years in a special needs school for behavioural issues and furniture was bolted to the floors, there were rooms that could lock down in the instance of a violent outburst and all windows and glass were tempered to avoid students harming themselves or others. The teachers to student ratio was 1:10 IIRC.

A 9 year old boy of average stature can cause significant damage if this is a possible outcome of unregulated emotions. This isn't about accepting others differences/diversity acceptance etc, its a safe guarding concern.

When I was about 13 I sustained a severe concussion from a boy in my class throwing a chair that hit me in the back of the head. Throwing furniture around is a very serious risk.

A pp said that you can't guard kids from all risk, but they absolutely should be protected from violence at school - throwing furniture and being hit or kicked are not things that children should have to tolerate in an environment where they are compelled to be!