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To say all pro-Palestinians should watch Fauda on Netflix?

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FuadaFan · 09/09/2026 14:17

Now it is a drama about how the Israeli security services deal with the conflict but it is apparently pretty accurate and is amazingly well produced and acted.

Season 5, which covers Oct 7th has just come out after a long delay.

I've had to take a break after episode 7 because it's so distressing but it still doesn't even come close to what happened that day.

I think it's gives a clearer idea as to the truth of what has been going on and it does try to give a perspective from both sides.

I think every pro-Palestinian should watch it.

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EnglishLady02 · 16/09/2026 23:41

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 16/09/2026 23:39

remind us how many sanctions were placed on Hamas after that day.

Hamas is designated a terrorist organisation the UK.

We don’t trade with Hamas.

I hope that helps you understand why we haven’t put sanctions against Hamas.

There were literally people celebrating October 7th in London one day later. You deny that happened now too?

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 16/09/2026 23:43

EnglishLady02 · 16/09/2026 22:33

So you're telling me that calling all Israelis evil and holding them collectively responsible for the actions of thier government is entirely unrelated to the fact 72% of them are Jewish?

Cos I smell bs. Nobody treats say Chinese citizens the way they treat Israelis, yet the CCP is actually commiting a genocide. A real one.

So you're telling me that calling all Israelis evil and holding them collectively responsible for the actions of thier government is entirely unrelated to the fact 72% of them are Jewish?

Who are you claiming is doing this?

NullaEffugium · 16/09/2026 23:45

EnglishLady02 · 16/09/2026 23:26

Every single one of the attacks on Jews in the UK in the last two years have been by Pro-Palestians.

Saying "I've never seen it" doesn't absolve your side. Its just willful ignorance.

It is not true that every attack is by proPalestinians. You act like if there were no war, there’d be no antisemitic attacks. We are on the hate list of extremist groups from the far left to the far right.

Of the 3,700 antisemitic incidents recorded by CST in 2025, 1,977 (53%) referenced, or were linked to, Israel, Palestine, the Hamas terror attack or the subsequent war. Each of these cases also evidenced anti-Jewish language, motivation or targeting. This was true of 52% of the incidents reported in 2024, 43% of those in 2023 and 15% of those in 2022: a year unaffected by a significant trigger event in the region.

https://news.met.police.uk/news/met-announces-new-dedicated-community-protection-team-as-further-antisemitic-hate-crime-arrests-made-this-weekend-509023

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 16/09/2026 23:47

EnglishLady02 · 16/09/2026 23:20

So do you want all Israelis driven out then? You certainly support the "Jew hunts" directed at them in various places.

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/anti-zionist-patrols-in-thessaloniki-condemned-as-echoing-citys-june-1931-pogrom/amp/

You are just making accusations up all over the place.

Why are you claiming I support “Jew hunts”?

NullaEffugium · 16/09/2026 23:48

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 16/09/2026 23:43

So you're telling me that calling all Israelis evil and holding them collectively responsible for the actions of thier government is entirely unrelated to the fact 72% of them are Jewish?

Who are you claiming is doing this?

I believe EnglishLady is methodically working her way through posting as many antisemitic tropes as she can and getting away with it by pretending she is reacting to them instead of being the instigator. She’s also the only poster posting a racial slur referring to us.

EnglishLady02 · 16/09/2026 23:51

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 16/09/2026 23:39

remind us how many sanctions were placed on Hamas after that day.

Hamas is designated a terrorist organisation the UK.

We don’t trade with Hamas.

I hope that helps you understand why we haven’t put sanctions against Hamas.

How many designated terrorist organisations get invited to Parliament as honoured guests?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/apr/22/clare-short-hamas-meeting

How many funders or supporters for terrorist organisations get courted by MPs or write opinion pieces for British Newspapers?

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/azzamtamimi

Clare Short criticised over parliament invitation to Hamas leader

Israeli ambassador calls meeting a 'slap in the face' to moderate Palestinians, while Tories question use of Westminster facilities

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/apr/22/clare-short-hamas-meeting

NullaEffugium · 16/09/2026 23:52

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Since WWII and the Rome statute. This is now your 3rd post against my calls for the independent investigation and validation of information from Hamas.

Why are you fighting investigation of Hamas? Why do you think we’d need their permission? And why are you directly comparing Israel to Hamas? Terrorists are not governments, and as bad as Israel’s government is, it is offensive to suggest that investigating Hamas is like investigating Israel.

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 16/09/2026 23:54

EnglishLady02 · 16/09/2026 23:26

Every single one of the attacks on Jews in the UK in the last two years have been by Pro-Palestians.

Saying "I've never seen it" doesn't absolve your side. Its just willful ignorance.

It’s so interesting that you keep telling us that all Israelis aren’t responsible for the actions of the government and IDF, which I agree with.

Yet you believe that anyone who criticises Israel is responsible for the actions of anyone else who criticises Israel and those who attack Israel.

We’re not. I’m not responsible for Hamas” actions because I think Israel is doing wrong. I’m not responsible for Islamist terrorists because I think Israel is doing wrong.

You just see one big “enemy” and think anything you can attack one of the “enemy” for it is legitimate for you to attack any and all of the “enemy” for.

Oh, where have we heard that before?

EnglishLady02 · 16/09/2026 23:56

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NullaEffugium · 17/09/2026 00:01

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Those are your antisemitic tropes, not mine. You are not fooling anyone with your fake quotes. I see you.

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 17/09/2026 00:01

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No only Israeli Jews. So half of the world's Jews. See! You're not antisemitic. You only want to kill 7.5 million Jews. Not all of them.

Why are you making these increasingly horrific accusations against me based on absolutely nothing? I don’t want to kill any Jews. I mean, I think you’d have realised by now that you’re not going to drive me of the thread with your insults and wild accusations.

Wanting Hamas to stop terrorising Palestinians isn't the same as wanting the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians btw.

I agree.

EnglishLady02 · 17/09/2026 00:03

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FuadaFan · 17/09/2026 00:16

Swiftie1878 · 16/09/2026 22:09

Because Israel is held to a higher ‘Western’ standard. Correctly.
It has failed.

Tell me what was the civilian death toll when Western armies fought against Islamist armies/militias in Middle East?

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FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 17/09/2026 00:16

EnglishLady02 · 16/09/2026 23:40

There were literally people celebrating October 7th in London one day later. You deny that happened now too?

You accused @Swiftie1878 of dancing in the streets.

I say that was a wild and false accusation. I don’t believe Swiftie was dancing in the streets after October 7, do you? Really?

And then you use the fact I’ve challenged you on your wild and lurid accusation to attack me for denying anyone danced in the streets, which I haven’t done.

Honestly, you need to stop these increasingly horrible accusations at other posters.

EnglishLady02 · 17/09/2026 00:17

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EnglishLady02 · 17/09/2026 00:21

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 17/09/2026 00:16

You accused @Swiftie1878 of dancing in the streets.

I say that was a wild and false accusation. I don’t believe Swiftie was dancing in the streets after October 7, do you? Really?

And then you use the fact I’ve challenged you on your wild and lurid accusation to attack me for denying anyone danced in the streets, which I haven’t done.

Honestly, you need to stop these increasingly horrible accusations at other posters.

"I don't believe they danced in the streets". "I don't believe" isn't evidence. And no, actually I wouldn't put it past some people on here to have done exactly that. The number of pro- Pals I've seen engaging in disgusting behaviour it wouldn't shock me anymore.

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 17/09/2026 00:24

NullaEffugium · 16/09/2026 23:48

I believe EnglishLady is methodically working her way through posting as many antisemitic tropes as she can and getting away with it by pretending she is reacting to them instead of being the instigator. She’s also the only poster posting a racial slur referring to us.

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Ah, an interesting theory. I was on a thread the other week (unrelated topic) where someone did something similar. They came clean eventually.

NullaEffugium · 17/09/2026 00:26

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You are not reciting tropes back at bigots. You are repeatedly saying antisemtic tropes to me, a Jewish poster, while disingenuously accusing me of thinking or saying them when you are posting them in the first place. This is antisemitism and I ask you again to stop.

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 17/09/2026 00:30

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Hmm. You may be jumping the shark there saying that to @NullaEffugium

NullaEffugium · 17/09/2026 00:31

FeeFiFoFiddlyFum · 17/09/2026 00:24

Ah, an interesting theory. I was on a thread the other week (unrelated topic) where someone did something similar. They came clean eventually.

Not my first encounter with this particular tactic.

NullaEffugium · 17/09/2026 00:41

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Just stop. Criticising the actions of the IDF is not vilifying an entire country or smearing every Israeli over age 18. I am an Israeli citizen and I criticise the government and the IDF as do many of my fellow Israelis. I am also British and yes I criticise the actions of the British army and the UK government.

You are putting Israelis on some kind of pedestal, this is also a type of antisemitism called philosemitism where you idealise Jewish people and Israel as if we are or think we are above criticism.

Reporting this too.

EnglishLady02 · 17/09/2026 06:32

NullaEffugium · 17/09/2026 00:31

Not my first encounter with this particular tactic.

Not my first encounter with the tactic of Pro-Pals pretending to be Jews or Israelis so as to stop people weaponise antisemitism against their opponents. Often the people behind the Accounts actually turn out to be Islamists.

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