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Temptree · 07/09/2026 22:34

As stated by Miriam Margolyes today, as she gets worse and worse...... and worse.

Link to previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5574225-omg-miriam-margolyes-andi-peters?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

It was intolerable what she said on This Morning last week.
And now what she's saying today by way of defending herself is even further intolerable.

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likelysuspect · 08/09/2026 19:35

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Lomonald · 08/09/2026 19:46

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 19:04

Where do you start with this 😆 🤣 😂

I honestly just went with his name isn't Andrew, because there is soo much to unpack!

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Are you saying British Jews aren't being persecuted? Racist my eye.

likelysuspect · 08/09/2026 20:21

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 20:09

Are you saying British Jews aren't being persecuted? Racist my eye.

They certainly are and its a disgrace in this country that its being allowed. But 'their own' does not apply to her re Israelis. She is not required to support the Israeli regime or the Israeli people.

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 20:28

likelysuspect · 08/09/2026 20:21

They certainly are and its a disgrace in this country that its being allowed. But 'their own' does not apply to her re Israelis. She is not required to support the Israeli regime or the Israeli people.

No she's not. She's also not required to victim blame some Jews by likening them to Nazis during the holocaust. That hasn't stopped her though.

tsmainsqueeze · 08/09/2026 20:40

UnwillingAdvocate · 08/09/2026 08:42

She’s 85 years old. How many of your 85 year old parents aren’t stuck in their ways and living in a different reality? She’s from an entirety different world altogether. It doesn’t make it right. It doesn’t make it palatable. But it does explain why she doesn’t understand the modern world.

I totally disagree , she is an intelligent ,successful woman in her field .
Her age is no excuse whatsoever , my mother in her 80's and other family members plus many other people in that age group wouldn't dream of being so rude and crass.
She has played many film parts with a wide age range of cast members and she knows what is and isn't acceptable to say.
She has a full grasp and many advantages in the modern world but she is a law unto herself and just does not care what she says and who she offends.
Unless she has dementia nothing excuses her.
I have disliked her for quite a while now but i am really angry with how she spoke to Andi Peters, then the further crap she spouted.

likelysuspect · 08/09/2026 20:43

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 20:28

No she's not. She's also not required to victim blame some Jews by likening them to Nazis during the holocaust. That hasn't stopped her though.

Very little stops her. She's wrong of course about Israelis, but she isnt talking about Jewish people as such, she is talking about Israelis. And even if she was talking about Jewish people as Jewish people solely, she is not required to do some sort of group think

Dontlletmedownbruce · 08/09/2026 20:46

BooksandSlippers · 08/09/2026 05:52

I've never heard of her, she sounds s bit like that desperate Katie Hopkins who used to say controversial and racist things for attention. Some people are just born unkind.

Yes she is exactly like that. I haven't seen the interview but I actively avoid watching her especially on Graham Norton. She is elderly and sounds upper class, and very articulate. She tells anecdotes that start off eloquent and then will say 'sucking cock' or some such thing, and everyone hoots with laughter. That's her thing. I don't know her views but I suspect she is being more controversial to get more attention that's all she seems to care about.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 08/09/2026 20:48

She was also the voice of the caramel bunny in the 80s. (Random irrelevant fact, I know)

PrettyLittleRose · 08/09/2026 21:31

Dontlletmedownbruce · 08/09/2026 20:46

Yes she is exactly like that. I haven't seen the interview but I actively avoid watching her especially on Graham Norton. She is elderly and sounds upper class, and very articulate. She tells anecdotes that start off eloquent and then will say 'sucking cock' or some such thing, and everyone hoots with laughter. That's her thing. I don't know her views but I suspect she is being more controversial to get more attention that's all she seems to care about.

Yeah, that just makes me roll my eyes when she comes on to a late night chat show and starts with her filthy mouth and c-bombs. Incredibly predictable, and seemingly the only way she can stay relevant and in the news, seeing as no-one has employed her as an actress for about a decade and a half!

Never knew she was the Cadburys Caramel bunny voice. Thanks for that little nugget. Smile

JHound · 08/09/2026 21:55

thefourthbeatle · 08/09/2026 18:56

I fail to see how Margolyes' language in the live broadcast exhibited racial prejudice towards Andrew Peters. Tactless to make personal remarks in the situation, yes, but remarking that black people have a variety of shades of skin is simply a factual observation. I have many friends - also family - who are black, and the subject occurs in conversation with regularity; predominantly in assessing from what region of Africa a particular person is likely to originate. Conversations not restricted to within black circles, I might add. The subject is very interesting.

That said, Margolyes' use of the colonial-era term "high yellow" was crass, as were her later comments attempting to extenuate the original perceived offence. She is an insensitive bighead (and crashing bore), at worst, and it was this and this alone that was the cause of any unease experienced by Andrew Peters.

You don’t think her asking the black presenter “what are you” but not posing the same question to the white presenter demonstrates racial prejudice?

Ok.

JHound · 08/09/2026 21:57

likelysuspect · 08/09/2026 19:13

Exactly, the woman was showing interest and completely misunderstood. The hounding of her was outrageous. This is not comparable.

She was “showing interest”. She was harassing somebody because she refused to accept her answer that she was from Hackney.

PrettyLittleRose · 08/09/2026 21:58

JHound · 08/09/2026 21:55

You don’t think her asking the black presenter “what are you” but not posing the same question to the white presenter demonstrates racial prejudice?

Ok.

Beggars belief doesn't it - that ANYone thinks this is anything other than racial prejudice?

AquamarinePearlGold · 08/09/2026 22:11

Temptree · 07/09/2026 23:09

Well the context is that whilst on live daytime TV last week she was blatantly racist towards Andi Peters on several counts, along with impersonating his co-host Christine Lampard's NI accent to her face in a mocking way. And because of the backlash from the offence she has caused, she has now defended herself by using yet more offensive and discriminatory language to describe people who she apparently feels need to be othered.

Maybe she has dementia.

thefourthbeatle · 08/09/2026 22:47

JHound · 08/09/2026 21:55

You don’t think her asking the black presenter “what are you” but not posing the same question to the white presenter demonstrates racial prejudice?

Ok.

she is ad-libbing characters she is inventing off-the-cuff. just watched the original clip again. she's an annoying bore who thinks she is displaying effortless acting skills, that's it. i can't stand her, but she is not exhibiting racial prejudice.

HopeSpringingHigh · 08/09/2026 22:49

Does anyone else think it was partly the person who hired her fault? As in shes always been rather forthright shall we say , or rude and that as an 85 year old she probably has even less of a filter.

I suppose I despair modern life . Everything is done for the drama and attention and talking about people at others expense.
In her own way shes quite vulnerable at her age and then of course you have victims of racism or people who have been hurt or offended .

KnickerlessParsons · 08/09/2026 22:56

UnctuousUnicorns · 07/09/2026 22:48

Cripple here. 👋 🧑‍🦽 More context needed, OP. Though it makes me wonder how a fat Jewess might feel. 🤔

A fat, lesbian Jewess.

likelysuspect · 08/09/2026 23:01

HopeSpringingHigh · 08/09/2026 22:49

Does anyone else think it was partly the person who hired her fault? As in shes always been rather forthright shall we say , or rude and that as an 85 year old she probably has even less of a filter.

I suppose I despair modern life . Everything is done for the drama and attention and talking about people at others expense.
In her own way shes quite vulnerable at her age and then of course you have victims of racism or people who have been hurt or offended .

No its her fault of course, She is in charge of what comes out her mouth.

God people are constantly being excused for things they do

She said it, she needs to own it, which she appears (whether people like it or not) to be doing and not apologising.

Im also intrigued by the post above suggesting that she's sort of veering in and out of characters and presentation. I swear she might be PD now that I think about it more

Is it above or in the other thread that soneone posted a Guardian article about her talking about a musician in the 60s who she says died from assisted suicide? Bizarre story, very strange, she didnt even know the woman by all accounts? Makes no sense.

Temptree · 08/09/2026 23:14

AquamarinePearlGold · 08/09/2026 22:11

Maybe she has dementia.

Maybe she has.
Maybe she hasn't.
Either way, in my mind:
Dementia + being a blatant racist = she needs to be removed from TV and public appearances.
No Dementia + being a blatant racist = she needs to be removed from TV and public appearances.
The conclusion is the same.

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Temptree · 08/09/2026 23:16

thefourthbeatle · 08/09/2026 22:47

she is ad-libbing characters she is inventing off-the-cuff. just watched the original clip again. she's an annoying bore who thinks she is displaying effortless acting skills, that's it. i can't stand her, but she is not exhibiting racial prejudice.

Oh come on, yes she is.
How can you say that?

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AquamarinePearlGold · 08/09/2026 23:17

Temptree · 08/09/2026 23:14

Maybe she has.
Maybe she hasn't.
Either way, in my mind:
Dementia + being a blatant racist = she needs to be removed from TV and public appearances.
No Dementia + being a blatant racist = she needs to be removed from TV and public appearances.
The conclusion is the same.

Agreed.

Temptree · 08/09/2026 23:26

thefourthbeatle · 08/09/2026 18:56

I fail to see how Margolyes' language in the live broadcast exhibited racial prejudice towards Andrew Peters. Tactless to make personal remarks in the situation, yes, but remarking that black people have a variety of shades of skin is simply a factual observation. I have many friends - also family - who are black, and the subject occurs in conversation with regularity; predominantly in assessing from what region of Africa a particular person is likely to originate. Conversations not restricted to within black circles, I might add. The subject is very interesting.

That said, Margolyes' use of the colonial-era term "high yellow" was crass, as were her later comments attempting to extenuate the original perceived offence. She is an insensitive bighead (and crashing bore), at worst, and it was this and this alone that was the cause of any unease experienced by Andrew Peters.

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cabus · 08/09/2026 23:50

I've never understood the 'national treasure' status she enjoyed.

She's repulsive, always shudder and turn over when she's on.

ToWhitToWhoo · 09/09/2026 01:29

I'm starting to wonder if she's developing dementia. She's always been a bit unfiltered, but this is truly extreme.

thefourthbeatle · 09/09/2026 01:41

Temptree · 08/09/2026 23:26

I couldn't work out how to answer you succinctly due to not knowing where on earth to begin with your post.
So I put a description of you in to Gemini AI and here's what it says about you:
https://share.gemini.google/NR5ZeADhG7qa

it seems that the 'command' you provided to this 'Gemini' was "What does it mean if someone can't or won't acknowledge racism" leading to the pointless word salad provided by the 'A.I. robot'? hardly a neutral inquiry.

i suggest that - rather than giving your own interpretation of my earlier reply to the thread to 'Gemini' - you run my original comments (with suitable background info.) by the 'robot'. for better or worse the results might be interesting; however the method you have used unfortunately failed to get the best of out of the 'A.I.' 🕊️