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AIBU to expect my brothers to help visit our mother in hospital?

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YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 08:16

My elderly mother is in hospital since 2 and a half weeks now after a fall and can’t walk, she lives with us but hasn’t been declared medically fit so can’t be discharged, she’s waiting to be placed in a mobility rehab unit to help her walk again but there’s no spaces just yet. I have 2 brothers who do nothing to help, ie go visit her, text or phone her. it’s left to me and my husband so we go together every other day. It’s a half hour drive each way and it’s hard for us to get things done at home, am I being unreasonable in expecting my 2 brothers to help out with the visiting? Also we have a constant cold that gets worse every time we visit, maybe it’s the aircon?

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PepsiBook · Yesterday 09:52

I think it really depends on what type of mother she has been to them. Some parents do not care whatsoever about their kids, so why should the kids then care about them back?
If she's been a wonderful mum, that's very different.

ClairDeLaLune · Yesterday 09:55

My brother is useless too OP. It seems to be quite common.

Focus on the fact that you’re a good person, that you’re doing a lovely thing for your mum, that you have a close relationship with her and that you’re making her happy. That’s what I do with mine. Your brothers can live with their own consciences. If they have them.

Any1ForTennis · Yesterday 09:56

Sadly this is where you find out that people will let you down.

We had similar with MIL, her other son who lived a 5 minute walk away used covid as an excuse to never visit her again. Didn't call her or pop in with shopping despite not working. It was left to DH and I to sort her out despite us both having fulltime jobs that were crazy busy during covid.

The only positive there was is I totally got tough and decided if he can't even pick up milk for her, I wasn't going to involve him with any big decisions. When MILs dementia got worse DH and I chose her care home, moved her etc. Other son wasn't given a chance to give his opinion as he didn't know what was going in. He was furious btw as he had already mentally spend his inheritance 😆.

comeoncolleen · Yesterday 10:00

GiRocks · Yesterday 09:06

I hate these kinds of trite comments. Some of us had awful childhoods and parents that didn’t give a shit then or now. Having to care for them as they age becomes a hideous obligation.

True, but that's not the same as ignoring the needs of an OK parent you're not close to. Doing anything is better than nothing- weekly phone call, twice yearly visit, whatever.

Dependsoncontext · Yesterday 10:00

It is really disappointing and unfair. I don't think you'll change them but I personally would mention it if only to lay down a bit of a marker and remind them that at 90 it could be their last chance to visit her. That's on them of course. They probably won't step up though because they see it as your responsibility.

I sometimes wonder about people who can't be bothered to visit their elderly relatives, assuming it is some other sibling's responsibility - they never seem to be able to imagine themselves stuck in hospital, surrounded by strangers, constant intrusions from staff taking their blood pressure, maybe even difficulty feeding themselves and how important it might be at that point to see a relative or familiar friend walk through the door.

Pushmepullu · Yesterday 10:00

Call your brothers and tell them that on Wednesday brother x visits and on Sunday brother y visits. It’s not up for negotiation. Tell them your mum will be going into a very expensive care home and there goes their inheritance, irrespective of what is in your mum’s will. It will help concentrate their minds. When my mum was in hospital, my son was only 18moths, and I would have a 3 hour round trip, my brother’s attitude was that I was visiting so it was ok. My youngest brother, the favourite, let my mum down every time he made arrangements to see her. In the end I told him what he was going to do and that I didn’t care how inconvenient it was to him. The fact that I was quite aggressive in my attitude towards them gave them both a good shake.

madaboutpurple · Yesterday 10:05

I would suggest contacting your brothers and tell them they need to visit your Mum so could they tell you which days they will be going. It does get to be too much for one person so you could ask for their help.

shorttwoshot · Yesterday 10:07

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Yesterday 08:59

But that was their choice to have children - it’s not selfish not to want to do elderly care for someone you’re not close to.

Actually, yes it is

WecanbeheroeslikeBowie · Yesterday 10:08

shorttwoshot · Yesterday 10:07

Actually, yes it is

And your point is?

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 10:09

SickandTiredofEverything · Yesterday 09:46

I don’t mean you agreed explicitly. I mean they didn’t step up and you compensated for them. Ergo they are off the hook. If they get in touch asking how she is, tell them to call and ask her, you are not their PA! As for your brother explaining to you what you can do extra to cope when she comes home, ‘DB, you already do nothing to help and now you think it’s appropriate to give advice on what more I can do for our mother - really? How about she goes to live
with you seeing as you think it’s so easy?
You cannot make them step up but you can do everything you can to stop helping them avoid it. I think a care home is an excellent suggestion. You will be reassured she is being cared for and can visit her as often as you are able. The old expression don’t set yourself on fire to keep others warm comes to mind here. Dont risk your marriage. Your DM would not want that. There is only so much you can do, particularly when other family members don’t step up.

thanks. Yes you’re right, a care home but it may well wipe out her life savings and she will hate that, but that’s how it has to be sometimes I guess. OH and I haven’t been away even for a weekend or one night for well over a year now, as mum was getting gradually worse and we didn’t like to leave her. And getting in carers for a week seemed like more hassle than going away so we haven’t been anywhere.

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Dependsoncontext · Yesterday 10:16

WecanbeheroeslikeBowie · Yesterday 09:38

I didn't ask for my mum to get involved with a child abuser then ignore what was happening.
The 'but they are your parents and brought you up' types can duck off with their twee lives.
FWIW, I didn't look after her in old age, why would I? She died and I wasn't bothered in any sense.

It is important to acknowledge this - sometimes it is the healthier option to walk away, particularly where the parent has prioritised their relationship with a partner over your safety as a child. I don't think that is likely to be the case with the OP's brothers though - they are much more likely to have been raised to see it as the sister's responsibility but you're right to point out that relationships with parents are complex and some parents shouldn't expect support from children they have failed.

f1mercedesfan · Yesterday 10:17

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:28

You’re right, thanks for the advice, they need to step up with just a quick phone call! Mum thinks they’re terrified she might die that’s why they are holding back.

Surely if they realise it's emotionally draining for them they should realise it is also emotionally draining for you too

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 10:20

Inertia · Yesterday 09:15

Sounds like there’s a very real chance of you caring for your mother to prevent her needing to go into a care home, just for her to leave everything to your brothers anyway .

If you are disabled, you cannot realistically care for your frail elderly mother. If she needs a care home, so be it.

Thank you, yes I worry about everyone else but myself, we’ve stepped up the last few years so I think it’s time for a change now and to think about everyone including ourselves.

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SassyLemonFish · Yesterday 10:21

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 10:09

thanks. Yes you’re right, a care home but it may well wipe out her life savings and she will hate that, but that’s how it has to be sometimes I guess. OH and I haven’t been away even for a weekend or one night for well over a year now, as mum was getting gradually worse and we didn’t like to leave her. And getting in carers for a week seemed like more hassle than going away so we haven’t been anywhere.

As others have said, you and your OH are probably feeling so tired and down with all the caring responsibility. The thing is, your brothers also witness these increasing care needs. Objectively, these care needs will increase and increase. Even if you did get them to step and share the visiting and caring load, your mother’s care needs will eventually consume all that extra capacity and some! You brothers may be disinclined not because they don’t want to help right now, but because they don’t want to be forced to go down the path you’re on. They know that whatever they step into is not going to be a one off.

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 10:23

f1mercedesfan · Yesterday 10:17

Surely if they realise it's emotionally draining for them they should realise it is also emotionally draining for you too

Yes you’re right, there’s two of us though so we support each other, they are both single so only have themselves and they’re not close to each other unfortunately. We enjoy looking after her but their silence is most probably deafening for her.

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MatildaTheCat · Yesterday 10:27

If she needs a care home, and it does sound that way then you need to get planning for it. Does your mum have a social worker? The hospital should be able to assist you with the logistics but you’ll need to visit different places and look at the finances. Make sure she is claiming all the allowable benefits to put towards her care.

Taking her home just doesn’t sound possible without the disruption of multiple carer visits a day. From experience I can say it’s absolutely exhausting and your home does become a mini care home, just one without 24 hour staffing or any days off.

If you post on the elderly parents board you’ll get lots of good advice.

And obviously YANBU to want support and concern from your brothers but unfortunately they sound useless. I’d be very inclined to push them and guilt trip at least some calls but there is a big group of men ( nearly always the men) who just won’t do it.

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 10:31

SassyLemonFish · Yesterday 10:21

As others have said, you and your OH are probably feeling so tired and down with all the caring responsibility. The thing is, your brothers also witness these increasing care needs. Objectively, these care needs will increase and increase. Even if you did get them to step and share the visiting and caring load, your mother’s care needs will eventually consume all that extra capacity and some! You brothers may be disinclined not because they don’t want to help right now, but because they don’t want to be forced to go down the path you’re on. They know that whatever they step into is not going to be a one off.

All I need them to do is phone, text and the occasional visit, surely it’s not too much to ask? They’re probably not physically capable of too much work but what’s a text? And the only reason I’m asking is for her, she’s lonely sitting in her hospital bed all day with only the occasional nurse for company. I’d like to go every day but I can’t.

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YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 10:33

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 10:31

All I need them to do is phone, text and the occasional visit, surely it’s not too much to ask? They’re probably not physically capable of too much work but what’s a text? And the only reason I’m asking is for her, she’s lonely sitting in her hospital bed all day with only the occasional nurse for company. I’d like to go every day but I can’t.

If anything happened to me it would be down to them for sure. They probably would just put her in a care home, job done!

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Credittocress · Yesterday 10:35

You decide what you are happy to do any you do that. What they do is their own business. If you are happy visiting twice a week then you visit twice a week. You can’t decide that they should do the same.

pulpJarvis · Yesterday 10:36

I think it’s not going to happen, they aren’t going to step up now.

you can in most areas get respite care if your mum will agree, if she knows you need a break.

YellowBucket · Yesterday 10:37

Whilst it may help you for them to visit her, YABU to expect them to do it.
I’m not particularly fond of saying this but I know that my DH wouldn’t willingly cross the road to visit his mother, let alone the town. Our DC feel the same way too.

His sister may not understand it but the reality is that her beloved Mum was a very different Mum to DH. Perhaps your brothers feel the same way?

Given your heath issues, can you make arrangements to video call her occasionally instead? Cutting out even one trip a week could help take the pressure off. She might even benefit from the rest.

JayJayj · Yesterday 10:41

thepariscrimefiles · Yesterday 08:40

Urgh! It makes me really cross that so many elderly parents, normally mothers, still expect their daughters to provide hands-on care, are never particularly grateful for that care and still favour their sons, who do nothing practical to help at all.

My gran is like this. My mum does the majority of everything, always has. It got worse in the early years of dementia. We were out for a birthday meal, she was excited to get a photo with all her boys, (other sister couldn’t make it) she didn’t want one all 4 together or just with my mum. She never really wanted girls.

She has been an amazing gran. But as I’ve got older, reflecting back, she wasn’t a great mum to the girls. Not negligent but blatant favouritism.

Credittocress · Yesterday 10:44

YellowBucket · Yesterday 10:37

Whilst it may help you for them to visit her, YABU to expect them to do it.
I’m not particularly fond of saying this but I know that my DH wouldn’t willingly cross the road to visit his mother, let alone the town. Our DC feel the same way too.

His sister may not understand it but the reality is that her beloved Mum was a very different Mum to DH. Perhaps your brothers feel the same way?

Given your heath issues, can you make arrangements to video call her occasionally instead? Cutting out even one trip a week could help take the pressure off. She might even benefit from the rest.

This! My brother and sil would say my mum is marvellous- she’s been round to theirs three times this week playing the doting grandmother and cooking for the whole family. She drives past mine to get there and I and my kids haven’t seen her for three weeks. She’s never done any childcare or babysitting for me. Trust me, when the time comes I won’t be visiting.

Im pretty sure my mum will say she’s spent three days looking after grandkids this week; but as far as I’m concerned it only goes in one direction. My brothers marvellous mother certainly isn’t mine.

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 10:49

Ive asked the hospital for her to go to rehab, but there’s a waiting list, meanwhile the physios have got her standing and sitting in a chair at least, so she will be in hospital til they find a space or they think she’s medically fit to leave. They’ve asked me if I have POA health in place, I almost do and I have the financial one too, the rehab is paid for by nhs for up to 6 weeks, then once in rehab I can ask about CHC in case she goes in a home, (I’ve done all my research!). I doubt whether she will get the CHC funding though, but no harm in asking. So it’s just a waiting game at the moment. The physios told me after rehab it will be decided after an OT assessment at my home if she can come home with carers or come home without carers even though I’m disabled, (!), and I said, or even a care home? To be honest I don’t think my home is suitable for all the equipment needed.

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YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 10:50

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 10:49

Ive asked the hospital for her to go to rehab, but there’s a waiting list, meanwhile the physios have got her standing and sitting in a chair at least, so she will be in hospital til they find a space or they think she’s medically fit to leave. They’ve asked me if I have POA health in place, I almost do and I have the financial one too, the rehab is paid for by nhs for up to 6 weeks, then once in rehab I can ask about CHC in case she goes in a home, (I’ve done all my research!). I doubt whether she will get the CHC funding though, but no harm in asking. So it’s just a waiting game at the moment. The physios told me after rehab it will be decided after an OT assessment at my home if she can come home with carers or come home without carers even though I’m disabled, (!), and I said, or even a care home? To be honest I don’t think my home is suitable for all the equipment needed.

And yes my brothers are useless that’s true but I’m sure they love her, just don’t want to get involved.

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