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AIBU to feel upset after my meeting with my manager?

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derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 07:38

I have been working somewhere for nearly 10 years, after being a SAHM. I loved my job, but the company has gone through many restructures and it has changed completely.

Over the past 2 years we have had many redundancies and people not replaced. As a result my workload has massively increased. On top of this many of my colleagues have sought out doctors notes, and other things to exempt them from certain tasks. I have been given this extra work too. This has caused me a lot of stress. It also affects others and a few of my work colleagues are now on antidepressants or have left. Our staff turnover is horrendous. People are leaving with no job to go to. Everyone is unhappy and it is a toxic environment.

Anyway, I had my appraisal and it went OK, but afterwards I realised I had been downgraded. I asked some of my colleagues, not directly, but they confirmed they received higher. I was really upset about this, as I'd say I was one of a few people who do the lions share. I even manage the department when there is no manager. Since my boss is on holiday I asked the next level up (it is usual to escalate to this person) about my appraisal.

What then followed has really shocked me. I was told that it had been agreed amongst them to downgrade me as whilst my work was excellent and appreciated, I had a bad attitude and my behaviours are not aligning with what they list as what we should be demonstrating. Apparently people say hello to me, and I have my head down and barely acknowledge them or I am in a mood and people tread on eggshells around me. I am a thorn in the managers side, and I bring problems to the manager but not solutions. I am abrupt. I was totally shocked by this because in the 30 years that I have been working, and the many appraisals I have had, I have never had this feedback. In fact I have constantly been told I am very popular and respected and a go to person if someone needs help. I have never worked with this manager. It felt like a character assassination.

Some points;

I asked for some specific examples, but they could not name one.

I have never had a complaint made about me by a customer, or by a colleague in 10 years.

Apparently I am too outspoken, but they specifically asked me to join a group of staff to talk about branch issues. I asked to step down from this and was asked to stay as my opinions are valued. After one meeting the head of the company told my manager that they were really impressed with how I professionally handled myself. Seeing me upset, a friendly manager told me that I had pissed off one of the managers by questioning something, and that the company ask for my opinion, but don't always like the answers.

In this company, I have had at least 18 appraisals and mid years, and not once have I ever had feedback on my attitude. There is no history of this whatsoever.

Now, I am not disputing my attitude and behaviours. However I asked them to put it into context. I am covering a very large portion of the workload. I have asked to reduce my hours, and change my days (there is one week a month where I work 7 out of 8 days in a row). I come home stressed out and crying. I have raised concerns numerous times about my workload and improving my work life balance. These have all been rejected as we are short staffed and it doesn't suit the business. I asked to move department and they have said no. So, with that in mind, yes I look stressed, I look unhappy, I may not be skipping along saying hello to everyone. However, no one has complained about me, neither staff member or client.

Apparently they have observed this about me for a while, and my manager should have addressed it with me, but they did not. Even though I spent an hour and a half in my appraisal. Apparently they are too scared of me. I am in my 50's and they are in their late 20's.

FYI this is a minimum wage job. I do have another PT job which I can increase the hours. I don't really need the money, but I saved and invested all that I earned and felt I was contributing to my household and our future.

This manager suggested that I get my manager and a couple of other managers who also work along side me in a room and they tell me bluntly about my attitude and behaviours, I can then go away, reflect on it, and come back acting differently. I don't really like the sound of this!!!

My DH is not being very supportive about me leaving. He says I shouldn't till I get another job, but I just don't see how I can stay if this is what they think of me. My adult DC say that I am going to end up having a heart attack or stroke and it is not worth it.

AIBU to be upset, or is this kind of feedback normal?

What would you advise me?

What's stopping me leaving;

The money was invested and it feels good.
I like to be busy, and have structure to my week.
I'm in my 50's, it'll be hard to get another job. However, I do have another job that I enjoy and I can develop (I am a pilates instructor)

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WoollyRosebud · 08/09/2026 21:43

keepincool · 08/09/2026 08:18

@derFutterneid I think you do have grounds for constructive dismissal. I understand your unwillingness to go down that route though. It's still worth talking to ACAS, especially after your conversation with your line manager. If you're feeling angry about it now, then get confirmation of your manager's comments in writing with a "just to confirm our earlier conversation..." email. It would be useful for any settlement negotiations. I'd be going after them now for every bit of compensation I could get, whether that's an ACAS settlement or tribunal win - but that's just me.

I agree that you have grounds for constructive dismissal. You have been treated disgracefully and summed it up well by saying your appraisal was a character assignation. Even if you don't want to go down the tribunal route I think you should state this in your resignation letter or email. Your employers sound awful so leave with your head held high and don't look back

derFutterneid · 09/09/2026 09:10

I did speak to ACAS. I didn’t really get any clarity.

From the conversation I gathered that they had informally told me about my attitude, but not formally, and not given me the opportunity to respond. So, not followed their own policies and procedures. Also, not sure if I mentioned it here, but there are other issues too. According to ACAS I am witnessing a colleague with a protected characteristic being bullied, and reasonable adjustments are not being made for them. As a result of me, and others raising concerns about this to management, effectively I am a whistleblower and they don’t like it.

I really don’t know if I can be bothered with constructive dismissal. I’ve been through the legal wringer with a not my fault car accident a few years ago and it completely drained me.

Right now I’m concentrating on my meeting tomorrow about my other job.

Yesterday I felt really low. I’m not so much musing on the character assassination, but more on the fact that “is this it now? I’m a 50 something post menopausal woman and my opinions are not welcome. I’m a dinosaur and the younger generation do not want me on their team”.

Have I been naive? Is this why, at the end of a meeting when the manager says “any questions” no one speaks?

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derFutterneid · 09/09/2026 09:21

Do you think it is worth me speaking to an employment lawyer e.g. 30 mins free thing

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MintSnail · 09/09/2026 09:25

Litigation - personally I would not. Everyone I know who did this is still talking about it 10 years later, it's traumatic, like a divorce. Sometimes silence and moving on is more powerful. You can still kick them in the nuts at the exit interview and by letting one colleague know how you feel, the vibe will travel.

derFutterneid · 09/09/2026 09:31

I know Mint. I don’t know if I CBA.

I’m not leaving quietly though.

In the incident I mentioned with the person from head office, afterwards he came to find me and we had a chat and he said my feedback was great and that he was going to insist I was in all the meetings when he was there. He has the ear of the CEO. I’m thinking of writing to him and telling him that that interaction has led me to feel that I have no other option but to leave. I think he’d be quite shocked.

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lovelycattus · 09/09/2026 10:25

OP do you get full sick pay ? Or just SSP?
If the former, be a bit more strategic and exhaust that up first otherwise you’re cutting your nose off to spite your face.

crazyspanner · 09/09/2026 10:32

derFutterneid · 09/09/2026 09:31

I know Mint. I don’t know if I CBA.

I’m not leaving quietly though.

In the incident I mentioned with the person from head office, afterwards he came to find me and we had a chat and he said my feedback was great and that he was going to insist I was in all the meetings when he was there. He has the ear of the CEO. I’m thinking of writing to him and telling him that that interaction has led me to feel that I have no other option but to leave. I think he’d be quite shocked.

Edited

Go for it, if you are leaving anyway you have nothing to lose.

Radioheads · 09/09/2026 10:58

derFutterneid · 09/09/2026 09:31

I know Mint. I don’t know if I CBA.

I’m not leaving quietly though.

In the incident I mentioned with the person from head office, afterwards he came to find me and we had a chat and he said my feedback was great and that he was going to insist I was in all the meetings when he was there. He has the ear of the CEO. I’m thinking of writing to him and telling him that that interaction has led me to feel that I have no other option but to leave. I think he’d be quite shocked.

Edited

Great idea.
Also spell out the bullying going on, which you have witnessed and reported to X.

How you have been advised externally that your treatment now, may be a direct result of what you have reported, and you are in effect a whistle blower.

Mention your profound disappointment at how you have been treated by management after your years of consistent effort on the company's behalf.

You can also choose to cc the CEO.
There is little as powerful as putting things down on paper, naming people and copying others in.

You completely take away their ability to deny knowledge of illegal behaviour like the bullying that is going on.

I have seen it used extremely effectively in several occasions.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 09/09/2026 11:21

derFutterneid · 09/09/2026 09:31

I know Mint. I don’t know if I CBA.

I’m not leaving quietly though.

In the incident I mentioned with the person from head office, afterwards he came to find me and we had a chat and he said my feedback was great and that he was going to insist I was in all the meetings when he was there. He has the ear of the CEO. I’m thinking of writing to him and telling him that that interaction has led me to feel that I have no other option but to leave. I think he’d be quite shocked.

Edited

Yes, he needs to know what is happening so that he can do something about it if he wants to. If he doesn't then he deserves what he gets.

Ifyounevergiveup · 09/09/2026 12:55

derFutterneid · 09/09/2026 09:31

I know Mint. I don’t know if I CBA.

I’m not leaving quietly though.

In the incident I mentioned with the person from head office, afterwards he came to find me and we had a chat and he said my feedback was great and that he was going to insist I was in all the meetings when he was there. He has the ear of the CEO. I’m thinking of writing to him and telling him that that interaction has led me to feel that I have no other option but to leave. I think he’d be quite shocked.

Edited

Now this is a much better idea than writing a report. As for copying in the CEO, do you know them? Are they an arse as well? I ask only because behaviours such as those you have witnessed often trickle down from the top. If you have any doubts, my suggestion would be to contact the person you DO trust. If he “has the ear of the CEO” he’ll tell them anyway.

derFutterneid · 09/09/2026 13:09

Ifyounevergiveup · 09/09/2026 12:55

Now this is a much better idea than writing a report. As for copying in the CEO, do you know them? Are they an arse as well? I ask only because behaviours such as those you have witnessed often trickle down from the top. If you have any doubts, my suggestion would be to contact the person you DO trust. If he “has the ear of the CEO” he’ll tell them anyway.

I agree. The behaviours have trickled down from the top management. I trust this guy though. His role is actually to represent the staff, but he’s not a union rep.

The company is in trouble. My DH is a high level manager and a good one, and he says that our company just constantly go after the low hanging fruit and don’t look at the bigger picture. It’s true. The company was losing money, so they drastically reduced the headcount and replaced it with temps. However they pay less than competitors so they didn’t get good temporary staff. Good staff got overworked and treated badly, so they left. Rinse and repeat.

I think I said a few days ago that in my character assassination meeting I was told that staff had to buck up their attitude as we were still losing money. That’s their solution. It was a stick instead of a carrot, now that stick has barbs on it and they want to whip twice as hard.

Oh, but smile…….

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Dontmentionitlove · 09/09/2026 13:58

National minimum wage for a decade? You have never asked for a pay rise or they have offered? 10 years?!

Dontmentionitlove · 09/09/2026 14:01

Apparently they have observed this about me for a while, and my manager should have addressed it with me, but they did not. Even though I spent an hour and a half in my appraisal. Apparently they are too scared of me.

who told you that your manager was too scared to raise this?

TheWytch · 09/09/2026 14:06

I'd have quit on the spot quite frankly, cleared my desk and gone off sick for whatever notice period was required.

WoollyRosebud · 09/09/2026 14:15

Even if you don't want to do the full constructive dismissal thing it's worth mentioning in your resignation email as your employers will probably take legal advice and waste a lot of their money.

I did this and it gave me great satisfaction to find out that the legal bill was massive and much more than redundancy would have cost them. I did get my union to write to them which apparently caused the director to nearly have an apoplexy. Incidentally OP, if it makes you feel any better I was told in an appraisal that I couldn't be considered for some tasks involving contact with the trustees as I was too common and they wouldn't like having to deal with me!

Radioheads · 09/09/2026 14:57

WoollyRosebud · 09/09/2026 14:15

Even if you don't want to do the full constructive dismissal thing it's worth mentioning in your resignation email as your employers will probably take legal advice and waste a lot of their money.

I did this and it gave me great satisfaction to find out that the legal bill was massive and much more than redundancy would have cost them. I did get my union to write to them which apparently caused the director to nearly have an apoplexy. Incidentally OP, if it makes you feel any better I was told in an appraisal that I couldn't be considered for some tasks involving contact with the trustees as I was too common and they wouldn't like having to deal with me!

Also this.
Plain resigning, mentioning your reasons, your whistle blowing, your witnessing illegal behaviour, being targeted because you spoke up, will all give them pause and indeed, particularly if you mention you have sought employment advice, will definitely have them wondering whats coming down the line.

Again, peppering it with management names an cc's gives them zero cover and deniability.

This will piss them off so much.

I did it 30 years ago in a toxic environment after walking out of a contract position.
I had HR all over me wanting to fix it, and they admitted the Board of Directors were on to them asking who the hell is this? what has she written about? and copied us all on.

I took great pleasure in rightly shitting on a bullying manager who thought he could treat me poorly and needed the position.

Management do not like their names attached to negativity in my experience.

Dontmentionitlove · 09/09/2026 15:02

WoollyRosebud · 09/09/2026 14:15

Even if you don't want to do the full constructive dismissal thing it's worth mentioning in your resignation email as your employers will probably take legal advice and waste a lot of their money.

I did this and it gave me great satisfaction to find out that the legal bill was massive and much more than redundancy would have cost them. I did get my union to write to them which apparently caused the director to nearly have an apoplexy. Incidentally OP, if it makes you feel any better I was told in an appraisal that I couldn't be considered for some tasks involving contact with the trustees as I was too common and they wouldn't like having to deal with me!

What was the massive legal bill for?

LovelyLassie · 09/09/2026 18:59

Bloody hell, this place sounds similar to my old workplace. Badly managed, defensive leadership instead of solution focused, managers inability to truly reflect and build effective strategies, would rather everyone just shut up and be accepting of shite, enjoyed the power.

EvieBB · 09/09/2026 20:36

LovelyLassie · 09/09/2026 18:59

Bloody hell, this place sounds similar to my old workplace. Badly managed, defensive leadership instead of solution focused, managers inability to truly reflect and build effective strategies, would rather everyone just shut up and be accepting of shite, enjoyed the power.

....sounds like my current workplace ☹️

hifriend · 10/09/2026 07:31

derFutterneid · 09/09/2026 09:10

I did speak to ACAS. I didn’t really get any clarity.

From the conversation I gathered that they had informally told me about my attitude, but not formally, and not given me the opportunity to respond. So, not followed their own policies and procedures. Also, not sure if I mentioned it here, but there are other issues too. According to ACAS I am witnessing a colleague with a protected characteristic being bullied, and reasonable adjustments are not being made for them. As a result of me, and others raising concerns about this to management, effectively I am a whistleblower and they don’t like it.

I really don’t know if I can be bothered with constructive dismissal. I’ve been through the legal wringer with a not my fault car accident a few years ago and it completely drained me.

Right now I’m concentrating on my meeting tomorrow about my other job.

Yesterday I felt really low. I’m not so much musing on the character assassination, but more on the fact that “is this it now? I’m a 50 something post menopausal woman and my opinions are not welcome. I’m a dinosaur and the younger generation do not want me on their team”.

Have I been naive? Is this why, at the end of a meeting when the manager says “any questions” no one speaks?

Haven't RTFT so caveat that other people probably have more relevant knowledge than me. But I got legal advice on constructive dismissal from my last place due to them refusing my flexible working request and disability accommodations and not supporting me with alternatives. I was told that constructive dismissal is very hard to get and you have to show that there has been a breach of contract from your employer and that you resigned in response to that breach with no delay. I had found another job first so it was a couple of months later (but still while the appeal through work's processes was ongoing) and that was one of multiple reasons why I didn't have a case, so it might be similar if you don't resign until you have upped your hours at your other job.

The contract terms that have been breached can be implied so eg the breach the legal advice identified in my case was a breach of the 'implied term of mutual trust and confidence' but I would have had to show that there was 'no reasonable and proper cause for the employer's conduct' and that 'the conduct was likely to destroy or seriously damage the relationship of trust and confidence'.

Not to put you off and obviously get proper advice but you are right to be asking yourself if it's worth it. I found just going through the initial steps very stressful and upsetting and I had some union support. I did it not expecting to gain from it personally, I just wanted to hold them accountable to hopefully stop it from happening to someone else and I absolutely did make my work sweat a bit so hopefully they will be less blasé about not supporting people in future. I don't generally believe in going over people's heads but someone told the CEO why I was leaving in my last week and she met with me to understand what had happened before I went. I think your idea of contacting the senior guy is a good one.

I am so sorry that it has made you feel low and question yourself. You sound like a great colleague who cares about doing the job well and improving things. I'm sure you are right that ageism is a factor but for what's it's worth, I am still treated as a youngster at work and I have had a lot of jobs and my opinions are often not welcome! Yes being competent and unafraid to speak honestly in meetings does not normally make you a lot of friends. But people being afraid to speak up and have ideas to improve things is what holds organisations back. In the right culture it's a huge asset. Don't change who you are just because some other women felt threatened by it. Unfortunately we don't always support each other and instead fight over the scraps our employers might chuck us.

hifriend · 10/09/2026 07:36

Oh and PS the only other thing I would say is take sick days when you need them, whether that's for your physical or emotional health. Your employer will not be there for you long term if your health fails you and won't appreciate your sacrifice, as you have found out. It's not a badge of honour to work when you're unwell and it models other people not looking after themselves either. Obviously if your employer doesn’t pay proper sick pay that's different though.

Whatafustercluck · 10/09/2026 07:59

When it reaches this level of toxicity, it's imperative that you leave for your own wellbeing. I have been there and it nearly destroyed me.

I left my former employer with a financial settlement because they knew I had enough evidence for an employment tribunal. That's an avenue worth considering for you I think. I didn't have another job to go to, so the money saw me through.

Take the money and develop your pilates business.

I'm now a self employed contractor, valued, respected, asked to stay on repeatedly to do a variety of interesting work that I just wouldn't have done in my previous role. And leadership listen to my advice.

It took a while to rebuild my confidence after everything that happened. The best way of doing that is to do something that you enjoy and you're good at with a level of autonomy.

Good luck op.

derFutterneid · 10/09/2026 14:19

I had my meeting regarding my extra Pilates work and they have agreed to double the hours I am currently working, however I need to wait for it to be signed off by someone higher. It may take a few weeks to do this as people are off on holiday.

I was hoping to hand in my notice on the 15th and have it finish on the last day of the month, but I may need to wait a few weeks. We left it as, we'll get the extra hours approved, put it to you in writing and a start date, then I can hand on my 2 weeks notice. That's if it is all approved.

Until then, I have to save my breath to cool my porridge I think.

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