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AIBU to feel upset after my meeting with my manager?

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derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 07:38

I have been working somewhere for nearly 10 years, after being a SAHM. I loved my job, but the company has gone through many restructures and it has changed completely.

Over the past 2 years we have had many redundancies and people not replaced. As a result my workload has massively increased. On top of this many of my colleagues have sought out doctors notes, and other things to exempt them from certain tasks. I have been given this extra work too. This has caused me a lot of stress. It also affects others and a few of my work colleagues are now on antidepressants or have left. Our staff turnover is horrendous. People are leaving with no job to go to. Everyone is unhappy and it is a toxic environment.

Anyway, I had my appraisal and it went OK, but afterwards I realised I had been downgraded. I asked some of my colleagues, not directly, but they confirmed they received higher. I was really upset about this, as I'd say I was one of a few people who do the lions share. I even manage the department when there is no manager. Since my boss is on holiday I asked the next level up (it is usual to escalate to this person) about my appraisal.

What then followed has really shocked me. I was told that it had been agreed amongst them to downgrade me as whilst my work was excellent and appreciated, I had a bad attitude and my behaviours are not aligning with what they list as what we should be demonstrating. Apparently people say hello to me, and I have my head down and barely acknowledge them or I am in a mood and people tread on eggshells around me. I am a thorn in the managers side, and I bring problems to the manager but not solutions. I am abrupt. I was totally shocked by this because in the 30 years that I have been working, and the many appraisals I have had, I have never had this feedback. In fact I have constantly been told I am very popular and respected and a go to person if someone needs help. I have never worked with this manager. It felt like a character assassination.

Some points;

I asked for some specific examples, but they could not name one.

I have never had a complaint made about me by a customer, or by a colleague in 10 years.

Apparently I am too outspoken, but they specifically asked me to join a group of staff to talk about branch issues. I asked to step down from this and was asked to stay as my opinions are valued. After one meeting the head of the company told my manager that they were really impressed with how I professionally handled myself. Seeing me upset, a friendly manager told me that I had pissed off one of the managers by questioning something, and that the company ask for my opinion, but don't always like the answers.

In this company, I have had at least 18 appraisals and mid years, and not once have I ever had feedback on my attitude. There is no history of this whatsoever.

Now, I am not disputing my attitude and behaviours. However I asked them to put it into context. I am covering a very large portion of the workload. I have asked to reduce my hours, and change my days (there is one week a month where I work 7 out of 8 days in a row). I come home stressed out and crying. I have raised concerns numerous times about my workload and improving my work life balance. These have all been rejected as we are short staffed and it doesn't suit the business. I asked to move department and they have said no. So, with that in mind, yes I look stressed, I look unhappy, I may not be skipping along saying hello to everyone. However, no one has complained about me, neither staff member or client.

Apparently they have observed this about me for a while, and my manager should have addressed it with me, but they did not. Even though I spent an hour and a half in my appraisal. Apparently they are too scared of me. I am in my 50's and they are in their late 20's.

FYI this is a minimum wage job. I do have another PT job which I can increase the hours. I don't really need the money, but I saved and invested all that I earned and felt I was contributing to my household and our future.

This manager suggested that I get my manager and a couple of other managers who also work along side me in a room and they tell me bluntly about my attitude and behaviours, I can then go away, reflect on it, and come back acting differently. I don't really like the sound of this!!!

My DH is not being very supportive about me leaving. He says I shouldn't till I get another job, but I just don't see how I can stay if this is what they think of me. My adult DC say that I am going to end up having a heart attack or stroke and it is not worth it.

AIBU to be upset, or is this kind of feedback normal?

What would you advise me?

What's stopping me leaving;

The money was invested and it feels good.
I like to be busy, and have structure to my week.
I'm in my 50's, it'll be hard to get another job. However, I do have another job that I enjoy and I can develop (I am a pilates instructor)

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keepincool · 06/09/2026 11:57

I would also suggest getting signed off sick for work stress, and do mention the bullying to your GP. Medical evidence of workplace stress should be submitted if you pursue a claim.

Ifyounevergiveup · 06/09/2026 11:58

@derFutterneid btw I wouldn’t worry too much about the reference issue. If you end up in an interview at all (and you may never do so because I too am sure the Pilates will work out) just tell the interviewer yourself that you had no sick leave in 10 years until they burned you out and you had to accept medical advice and step back until you were fully recovered. If they like you, you’ll get the job anyway. Good luck!

Wholelottawoman · 06/09/2026 11:58

I’m another who could have written something very similar & I’m sorry you’re going through this. I resigned (as soon as I could afford it) and I’ve never looked back. I’ve had 2 temp jobs since, leading to a lovely PT min wage job I see myself happily continuing in until I retire. Years later when I meet ex-colleagues for coffee - the toxicity continues and I thank my lucky stars I put myself first for a change. They don’t deserve your loyalty so let them find someone else to treat like shite. Not all workplaces are like this, wishing you the very best of luck x

TeaCupTinsel · 06/09/2026 12:13

I'm so sorry, I can't believe they downgraded you when you work so hard for them. I'd 100% leave but I also would only work my actual job requirements in the meantime. No going over or beyond, no handover to support staff who might be lining up for your role. If you can develop your pilates business on the side to make it your full time job, I'd do that. I'd use all your annual leave and days owed then tell them you won't work somewhere where you are killing yourself with workload and completely under-appreciated.

Although, I would be tempted to challenge the downgrade first... I don't know if they can do that if your work is 'excellent'. Can you speak to ACAS?

localnotail · 06/09/2026 12:15

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 06/09/2026 10:52

But they can do it which is the opposite of what you said in this post.

Ok you win. Well done.

Laurmolonlabe · 06/09/2026 12:17

I would leave they don't appreciate your work or manner and if you accept this downgrade you are accepting you are difficult. It sounds as if one of the people on the appraisal board doesn't like you,is quite forceful and the others have not gone in to at for you.How we are perceived can be a shock,but if you have never had this kind of feedback before it sounds like a personality clash.

Lightlypopped · 06/09/2026 12:19

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Rainbow1961 · 06/09/2026 12:20

I wouldn't leave just yet OP because it seems like a knee jerk reaction which will play right into the hands of the managers who seem to want rid of you by the cheapest method possible. The meeting that they are attempting to plan could be construed as bullying!! especially if their intention is to character assassinate you!!
Push back passively! Find your original contract if you can with duties listed and work to rule!! If they want a meeting with you then get ready to have someone with you to take notes or tell them you are recording the meeting so you can address points made at a later date in a further meeting. They have downgraded you so you have every right to revert back to the job as it would be for those conditions. If they are concerned about staff morale then it is up to them to improve working conditions so everyone is happy, smiley and cheerful. Not always achievable when you are bogged down with overwork trying to meet deadlines because the goalposts have moved every time someone was made redundant and they put their work on other employees.
If you are intent on leaving then do as others have suggested and go for sick leave signed off by your GP and work your notice around the fit note. In other words do everything you need to make your future work/employment work for you with the Pilates.

Lightlypopped · 06/09/2026 12:29

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localnotail · 06/09/2026 12:29

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I would still say you are not allowed to give negative reference because to give one you need to have concrete evidence as you might get taken to court for defamation etc. Because of this, no one nowadays gives negative references unless something really bad had happened - but even then, most people avoid the hassle.

In OPs case, her bosses would be extremely stupid to say something negative as they have zero proof of her shortcomings.

Notasbigasithink · 06/09/2026 12:31

derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 07:47

One of the other things I am worried about is that they have got inside my head.

I have never been told with such vitriol that I have a bad attitude and just the phrase "my behaviour" totally shocked me. It was like being told that I am a naughty schoolgirl and my behaviour is not where it should be and I cannot go on the school trip.

It now has me questioning if I am an awful person. I am a middle age post menopausal woman, and yes I say what I mean and mean what I say. Honestly, put me in the middle of my group of 10 friends and I am the most timid!!!!

Management will say whatever they need to in order to justify downgrading or dismissing an employee if they think ots for the good of the business.
Easy said than done but please don't take it to heart. Years ago I was in a similar situation where my appraisal was basically 2hrs of my line manager telling me about how unapproachable I was, not a team player, causing the business to lose customers etc. It later transpired that my line managers department was massively under performing which was a reflection on her Management skills and she needed a scapegoat quick before she got the sack, which ended up being me!

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LongDarkTeatime · 06/09/2026 12:33
  1. Take some sick leave starting tomorrow due to the stress caused by the workplace
  2. Make a GP appointment to explore with them if it’d be reasonable being signed off for longer due to manage your own wellbeing
  3. With rest, when able, work to build your exit from this place. Hopefully while you’re off they’ll recognise your value. If not then you’ll have get yourself back to a place where you can build your future.
keepincool · 06/09/2026 12:44

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How dare you criticise someone like that. The OP has said the role suits her and it's no one else's business why she hasn't "progressed" to your satisfaction. I'm 60 and I've never earnt more than the average UK wage due to disabilities and various personal matters, despite having a degree. Are you going to sneer at me too?

What a snide and unhelpful post.

Beachtastic · 06/09/2026 12:47

derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 08:52

If I walked in tomorrow and said hey DH I am now working 10 hours a week doing pilates, he would be fine with that. At the moment I am only working 4.5 hours. I can immediately increase it to 7, then 9 a few weeks later.

That's brilliant, OP. Focus on that. In a year's time, or possibly sooner, you will look back on all this and wonder how you endured such a nightmare for so long.

I used to be in a similar position and went self-employed. My salary trebled fairly quickly and I no longer have to deal with arseholes.

Incompetent managers protect their jobs by shitting on competent people like you. Stop wasting your time covering up for them in return for abuse.

Givemeabreakdagdammit · 06/09/2026 12:58

I wasn't surprised to hear you're in your 50's, opinions and challenging the status quo is only okay when you're in your 20/30s and then you start being seen as bitter and annoying. I've seen it so many times and I absolutely feel it's steeped in ageism and misogyny (mainly ageism as men are seen as grumpy old men).

Just leave - your health is far more important and they sound like complete toxic arseholes.

lessglittermoremud · 06/09/2026 13:03

Leave and your notice period usually starts as soon as it is submitted and acknowledged.
You’re stressed, not sleeping and it will be affecting your health.
Take the time to build up your Pilates and rest/recuperate.
I worked for a company that was taken over by another person, they made so many changes, brought in new staff and made it really difficult for the existing staff to stay.
Despite never receiving a customer complaint and going above and beyond in my role I was pulled into a meeting about my attitude….
Apparently I hadn’t been jolly enough and I was affecting morale (I was the last remaining member of staff from the original bunch). I handed in my notice there and then and never looked back.
The place still has a high turnover of staff now as I work within the same industry so hear about it in local gossip.

Askandyforcompo · 06/09/2026 13:09

If ever there was a case for constructive dismissal this is it. Document everything that has been said to you.

keepincool · 06/09/2026 13:12

References:

https://www.gov.uk/work-reference

An employer is duty-bound to be fair, accurate and honest when giving a reference; it must be realistic and representative of the individual in question. An employer should not exaggerate or present the individual in an unjustified way for any reason, whether that’s overly positive or overly negative.

An employer cannot provide a negative reference without any justification, and they cannot speculate or include conjecture. This means that it is unlawful for an employer to act in a vindicative or untruthful way when providing references.

However, they can include statements that could be perceived as negative – for example, statements on the individual or their abilities – if they can be shown to be truthful and justified in the context of the role for which they are applying.

References: your rights

Getting a work reference from an employer either while in work or when applying for a new job – and what you can do if you think it's unfair.

https://www.gov.uk/work-reference

jeanne16 · 06/09/2026 13:14

You need to do so-called 'quiet quitting'. Become chatty and smiley with everyone but actually do the minimum of work. Tell management everything is wonderful and never criticise anything.

Look out for a better job while doing this or even stay where you are and enjoy being paid for doing the minimum.

Atchampsagain · 06/09/2026 13:15

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Loub1987 · 06/09/2026 13:15

Leave, if it’s minimum wage and you don’t have childcare flexibility to worry about just leave and get another pt job.

19lottie82 · 06/09/2026 13:18

DO NOT RESIGN! You’ve been there 18 years!

Other posters have suggested quitting then claiming for constructive dismissal, but this is notoriously hard to win.

See your GP and get signed off sick. Then file a grievance. Sit tight until they get rid of you and are forced to pay you redundancy.

keepincool · 06/09/2026 13:21

Givemeabreakdagdammit · 06/09/2026 12:58

I wasn't surprised to hear you're in your 50's, opinions and challenging the status quo is only okay when you're in your 20/30s and then you start being seen as bitter and annoying. I've seen it so many times and I absolutely feel it's steeped in ageism and misogyny (mainly ageism as men are seen as grumpy old men).

Just leave - your health is far more important and they sound like complete toxic arseholes.

It could also be classed as age discrimination if the people who progressed after their appraisals were all younger than the OP.

If the OP is the oldest member of staff and the only one to be downgraded that would suggest discrimination based on her age. Google Assistant suggests

Why a Single Downgrade Raises Red Flags
Under the Equality Act 2010, age is a protected characteristic. For an appraisal-based downgrade to be legally defensible, it must meet strict standards of objective fairness: 1, 2]

  • Lack of Evidence: Tribunals heavily scrutinise the paper trail. If you have years of positive appraisals and suddenly receive a low score with no documented history of performance concerns, the employer's case weakens significantly. 1]
  • Subjective or Ageist Language: Performance reviews must look purely at competence. Look closely at the written and verbal feedback. Subtle code words like "lacking agility," "struggling to adapt to new technology," "lacking energy," or hints about retirement are often markers of unconscious or conscious age bias. 1, 2]
  • Inconsistent Metrics: If you are being scored against criteria that younger colleagues are not held to, or if your manager lacks a clear, transparent framework for the downgrade, it may constitute direct age discrimination. 1, 2]
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