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AIBU to say 6:30am isn’t the middle of the night?

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Shezz95 · 30/08/2026 06:52

Little backstory:

We have two children (4 and 4 months), I breastfeed so wake up with the baby but he’s a good sleeper and usually wakes up once around 4/5am. At the weekend my husband and I take turns having a lie in and getting up with the kids - in my eyes a lie in should be an hour ish so that we can still spend time together and do the morning dog walk

Yesterday I woke up at 6 to feed the baby and then went downstairs with them both around 6:20. Baby’s routine is having first nap on the dog walk 2 (ish) hours after waking. Husband is still asleep at 8:20 so I’m trying to get dressed and get kids sorted without waking him, but am also a bit annoyed as he will be out from 10am all day, so kids won’t see him

He wakes up and quickly gets dressed to come on the dog walk and then is out at the football from 10:30 - 3:30, he then gets home and says he’s popping to the pub as it’s his friends dads birthday. He comes back at about 6 and we do bedtime together - not really relevant but just that he’s not seen the kids much today and he usually does either football or cricket one day a weekend so we only have one family day

My 4 year old hasn’t been very well, very lethargic and doesn’t want to eat. This morning he comes in at 6:20 saying he’s thirsty and wants milk. Husband says we don’t get drinks in the middle of the night and that he can only have water. 4YO is crying more and more as he wants milk (probably hungry after not eating much). The baby then wakes up happily babbling.

I say it’s probably best to just wake up now as it’s usual wake up time anyway and he’s poorly etc. husband is trying to get him back to sleep - he’s not going to go as it’s 6:30 and he’s just getting more upset, so I go into the room and husband starts shooing me away and saying I give in to every little whim (I don’t, I’m usually the one disciplining/carrying out consequences). I said I’ll just wake up with them then. He calls me a martyr and starts telling me to fuck off and that I’m being fucking ridiculous etc. I feel like he just doesn’t want to wake up early with them even after hardly seeing them yesterday

AIBU to say 6:30am isn’t the middle of the night and our ill child should be allowed to have a glass of milk!?

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Comeinsideforacupoftea · 30/08/2026 11:23

The telling you to fuck off is 100% unacceptable and you need to call him out on that and make very clear that if he's ever that disrespectful to you again then you will have to have serious thoughts about whether you want him in the house. Do you want your son to be telling you to fuck off repeatedly by the time he's a teen? Do you want him thinking that this is the way to treat a partner and treating some poor young girl this way? If you want ds to have any respect for women then you need to command that respect for yourself.

On the flip side your son also needs to learn that the man can be a respected and trusted member of the family unit and undermining dad isn't going to teach him this. FWIW I would 100% have gotten my kid whatever he wanted overnight if he'd been poorly. However if you take the 'my night his night' approach then you have to be prepared to relinquish a bit of the control. It's tough as your maternal instinct was telling you that not allowing DS to have the milk was wrong. I would probably have told DS you'd go and get him a glass but then he needs to either sit quietly in his own bed/your bed and do a quiet activity until an agreed time. Ultimately you either have to let dad deal with it though or accept the extra burden on yourself without resentment. Maybe dad could help in other ways eg taking ds to the park/swimming later in the day. If you're struggling with dad's parenting style in general then that's probably a conversation to have when ds isn't around and you aren't tired/stressed.

FayeMumsnet · 30/08/2026 11:23

Hi there.

Just popping in with a gentle reminder to focus on the topic rather than each other. It's absolutely fine to disagree, but please keep things civil and avoid personal remarks.

Thanks all.
Faye
MNHQ.

Beachlover1993 · 30/08/2026 11:22

Shezz95 · 30/08/2026 06:52

Little backstory:

We have two children (4 and 4 months), I breastfeed so wake up with the baby but he’s a good sleeper and usually wakes up once around 4/5am. At the weekend my husband and I take turns having a lie in and getting up with the kids - in my eyes a lie in should be an hour ish so that we can still spend time together and do the morning dog walk

Yesterday I woke up at 6 to feed the baby and then went downstairs with them both around 6:20. Baby’s routine is having first nap on the dog walk 2 (ish) hours after waking. Husband is still asleep at 8:20 so I’m trying to get dressed and get kids sorted without waking him, but am also a bit annoyed as he will be out from 10am all day, so kids won’t see him

He wakes up and quickly gets dressed to come on the dog walk and then is out at the football from 10:30 - 3:30, he then gets home and says he’s popping to the pub as it’s his friends dads birthday. He comes back at about 6 and we do bedtime together - not really relevant but just that he’s not seen the kids much today and he usually does either football or cricket one day a weekend so we only have one family day

My 4 year old hasn’t been very well, very lethargic and doesn’t want to eat. This morning he comes in at 6:20 saying he’s thirsty and wants milk. Husband says we don’t get drinks in the middle of the night and that he can only have water. 4YO is crying more and more as he wants milk (probably hungry after not eating much). The baby then wakes up happily babbling.

I say it’s probably best to just wake up now as it’s usual wake up time anyway and he’s poorly etc. husband is trying to get him back to sleep - he’s not going to go as it’s 6:30 and he’s just getting more upset, so I go into the room and husband starts shooing me away and saying I give in to every little whim (I don’t, I’m usually the one disciplining/carrying out consequences). I said I’ll just wake up with them then. He calls me a martyr and starts telling me to fuck off and that I’m being fucking ridiculous etc. I feel like he just doesn’t want to wake up early with them even after hardly seeing them yesterday

AIBU to say 6:30am isn’t the middle of the night and our ill child should be allowed to have a glass of milk!?

Its certainly not the middle of the night thats just silly

Floatlikeafeather2 · 30/08/2026 11:21

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 07:18

Oh don't be ridiculous if I were trying to sleep after a hard working week and my dh was absolutely intent on waking me up for no good reason I might tell him to fuck off.

Not ridiculous at all. Many, many of us don't want the sort of relationship where it's acceptable to tell each other to fuck off. He wasn't saying it in jest so what tone would make it acceptable? The answer is no tone whatsoever and particularly not in front of a 4 year old.
And this hard done by individual had already had his lie in the day before. Not only that, he had also spent the rest of the day trying to pretend he didn't have a family.

IJustMight · 30/08/2026 11:19

Shezz95 · 30/08/2026 07:48

We’ve just had a chat and he’s apologised
there is still the deeper issues of imbalance of duties/downtime etc but that’s something that will take longer to address

he’s suggested I take a couple of hours to myself today and he’ll hold down the fort

thank you all for your replies and advice

A couple of whole hours for yourself only because he was a twat ... a twat who gets a whole day for himself every weekend ...

IsItOverYetPlease · 30/08/2026 11:14

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 11:05

I'm sorry if you continue to reply to me after this post I'm going to have to report.

I've already done so and though I'm unsure if a post of your's that has been removed was because of me - or indeed addressed to me-I will say that while it's fine to disagree and robust disagreement is fine, it does seem that you are a bit fixated on me in particular.

I find that disturbing.

I'm going to have to report if you reply to me again.

The way you are following me around is starting to feel a bit creepy.

What do you mean that you're going to have to report her if she replies to you?
On what grounds?! You feel the need to reply to everything, she's just replying back to you.
Dear me.

Anyway ignoring silly posts...

@Shezz95 if this is a one off then shit happens and people say heated stuff but you might want to have a look at how much you each do and whether that's building any resentment. Having small children is savage. I wouldn't be happy with the financial arrangement you have, I've never come across that. It's very easy to minimise afterwards and gloss over stuff (particularly when u have an avalanche of opinions on here) but some calm retrospective thought can be very helpful. I hope your toddler feels better x

britnay · 30/08/2026 11:14

We're all up at 6am every day, so 6:30 is hardly the middle of the night (though it feels like it in the depths of winter!). He needs to sort out his priorities.

TheThirteenthFairy · 30/08/2026 11:13

Another man who thinks the children are his wife's hobby.

Kokonimater · 30/08/2026 11:09

Merrymoonage · 30/08/2026 07:04

I dunno, he shouldn’t have told you to fuck of but it’s sounds like you were trying to undermine him at every turn and take over what he was doing. It’s fine to tell a 4y no milk until usual morning time and only water, I would do the same. My 5Y isn’t allowed up and out of bedroom until 7 and I wouldn’t be getting them milk earlier than that.
I’m not sure how the back story is relevant, yesterday was his day to lie in which is did, and still got ready in time to go on the early dog walk so what’s the issue?
This morning was his turn to deal with them and you kept trying to tell him how to do it.

What????? Did you read the post??

SandyHappyPerson · 30/08/2026 11:06

BakersKitchen · 30/08/2026 09:33

I don’t think that’s very fair tbh. I often tell my husband to fuck off, sometimes it’s playful, sometimes it is in mild annoyance.

He’s playfully winding me up
“oh will you fuck off”

He’s trying to get on with something and I’m being peformatively clingy
“go on, away with you, fuck off”

One of you is faffing about trying to leave the house
”could you hurry up and fuck off to the shops please”

One of you is making a slightly ridiculous point about something
“oh fuck off what are you talking about”

etc etc.

None of them are inherently poor ways to speak to someone within the context of your relationship. Tone and context do matter.

In the OPs case it’s hard to tell - she sounds like she was interfering when it was supposed to be DHs turn to sort the children and martyring herself by giving up her lie in. Children can be asked to wait or go back to bed, particularly at the weekend. He doesn’t need to come in at 6am and demand milk at 4. The way she has written it makes her DH sounds like a dickhead but his version of events could easily have been

My wife and I disagree about morning wake up times at the weekend. I think our 4yo should have to wait until 7:30 to go downstairs but she is happy for them
to be up from 6am. It’s causing a problem because we take turns to lie in and she ends up getting up on her lie in day to sort children and then accuses me of taking her time to rest. At 4yo I think children can be told to go back to bed and rest or to play quietly until a more socially acceptable hour.

it’s really easy to paint him as the villain from a one sided story. My exSIL used to do the same thing with my brother and their behaviour management for my niece. She would accuse him of not backing her up or not doing any parenting because her strategy was to shout at her and make her sit on the naughty step. When you watched it actually he WAS doing some parenting but it was softer and he preferred to jolly her along or distract, rather than cause a scene in front of people. If she had written a post he would have come out as unsupportive and lazy but it wasn’t the reality at all.

In the OPs case it’s hard to tell - she sounds like she was interfering when it was supposed to be DHs turn to sort the children and martyring herself by giving up her lie in.

I'm absolutely disgusted at this response.. for OP to be a 'martyr' it would mean that she has chosen to forgo a lie in just so she can feel hard done to.. that isn't what's happened at all, she was woken up and has prioritised the needs of her child over her own need for a lie in because her DH refuses to help him.. nothing "martyrish" about that at all.

I couldn't lie in bed while all that was going on, I'd be too furious to go back to sleep anyway, listening to my DH trying to engineer himself more time in bed, rather than seeing to our child who has been unwell.. selfish prick.

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 11:05

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Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 11:05

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 10:52

Maybe in your relationship @Morethanalover

but clearly not the case in the OP’s hence her starting the thread

I'm sorry if you continue to reply to me after this post I'm going to have to report.

I've already done so and though I'm unsure if a post of your's that has been removed was because of me - or indeed addressed to me-I will say that while it's fine to disagree and robust disagreement is fine, it does seem that you are a bit fixated on me in particular.

I find that disturbing.

I'm going to have to report if you reply to me again.

The way you are following me around is starting to feel a bit creepy.

IsItOverYetPlease · 30/08/2026 11:01

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Wow. That's an interesting take.

Iloveeverycat · 30/08/2026 10:59

Shezz95 · 30/08/2026 07:19

I’m not saying that - he can be quite sweary sometimes

I’m just saying that he doesn’t usually completely check out of parenting so wondering what caused this reaction to our son waking up at his normal time but wanting milk

You say he is quite sweary
BUT he is swearing at you. I have been with DH for over 40 years never sworn at each other.

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 10:57

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 09:53

What's the point of this?

They've made it up. Storm in a teacup.

Why are others still hell bent on creating drama?

The OP and her dh are probably enjoying time together now. Doesn't look as if she'll be back.

I'm only still here to defend myself against what I can consider myself to be weirdos who dredge up my past posts and seem to have some kind of weird fixation on me.

Oh calm down

Here you are, thankfully a tiny tiny minority basically saying that the OP is in the wrong and saying fuck off to you partner in front of your children is totally ok, when you have your own relationship issues and planning to leave. So focus on that rather than downplaying what to most of us is a pretty disturbing spat

Epdrenching · 30/08/2026 10:56

After being unwell and possibly off his food, the little child might suddenly be hungry.

I feel so sorry for children that are exposed to such foul men.

Lie ins, football, the pub, verbally abusing their post partum partners, angry and foul mouthed around a child recovering from illness.

Absolutely toxic and abusive behaviour.
OP, tell your family and friends you need support.
I feel so sorry for you and your children.

He's a low life and you need support.

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 10:52

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 09:39

Great post.
'Fuck off' isn't always used as a term of aggression these days, just, as you say, mild annoyance.

It's replaced 'Oh for goodness sake' these days.

Maybe in your relationship @Morethanalover

but clearly not the case in the OP’s hence her starting the thread

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 10:51

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 09:21

Whatever. I don't care to be honest.
Rather that than live vicariously through other people's drama and be somebody. who trawls through other people's past posts frothing all the time.

It's obviously a storm in a teacup that's over.

As I said if he were actively forbidding here from taking care of the child it'd be different.

Doesn't seem to have been the case though.
Not really.

Just focus on your own relationship issues maybe @Morethanalover

Livelovebehappy · 30/08/2026 10:48

Pinkissmart · 30/08/2026 10:23

Christ this is sad. You’re on reduced wage but still expected to pay half, so you had to save up? I view that as financial abuse

I don’t think OP has elaborated outside this one point, that much, on how they do things jointly, financially. Everyone does things differently when it comes to finance. Me and my dh have separate accounts. Although he earns more than me we split bills 50/50, but it all balances out, as he will pay for holidays or meals out. Everyone has different set ups. There’s no wrong or right way, just a way that works for you.

SandyHappyPerson · 30/08/2026 10:48

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 08:30

I think this is hyperbole to be honest.

The child was not denied a drink, just not milk.

It isn't hyperbole at all!

I feel sorry for the poor 4 year old! Not very well, waking up at his normal wake up time, hungry because he's not eaten, and being told by his dad that he can't have a glass of milk and he needs to go back to bed. Then he wants to stop OP seeing to him and causes a scene over it

What a prick.

Thatsillymama · 30/08/2026 10:48

I couldn't stand to be in a relationship with someone who disappeared for half the weekend and spoke to me with such disrespect.

MissMappsGardenProduce · 30/08/2026 10:39

LimpingPigeon · 30/08/2026 07:10

Telling you to fuck off means nothing in itself. Tone matters.

Just when I think the bar can't get any lower...

I agree with you.

Unless swearing is the norm in a household, then a man saying or doing something that he wouldn't have dreamed of doing on your first few dates is totally unacceptable.

It shows that familiarity has bred contempt and once that has happened who know what will happen next.

He should speak to you-and you to him-with love and respect.

If either party loses their head, there should be an immediate apology.

Do not allow yourself to be treated worse than he would treat his mother, his friends or his employer. If you think you are being, then you need to have a long cool look at the situation.

Loving someone means you treat them better than anyone else or at least try to. No-one is a plaster saint but if being loved and treated well is the exception rather than the rule, then why make yourself into a rub rag.

Of course, if you live in a chaotic unloving household when you are both telling each other to fuck off to the extent that "tone matters" then crack on and revel in the happy home.

DailyEnergyCrisis · 30/08/2026 10:33

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How on earth does she seem unbearable?!

OP- I totally agree- a 4 year old who’s been unwell wanting milk at 6.20am is entirely within the realms of reasonable/normal. If it were my turn to get up I’d just be pleased they were better and sort them out with milk, blanket on the sofa and some tv whilst I pottered/had a coffee.

Mine are old enough to get themselves breakfast but we used to alternate weekend lie ins and 9am was the norm unless one of us had been out/very tired or up with the kids a lot in the night.

Hellohelga · 30/08/2026 10:24

Alltheusefulitems · 30/08/2026 07:19

I think you've both had a crappy start to the day. Have a cuddle with your husband, hopefully he'll apologise for swearing at you and you can both move on with the day. No need for any drama

I wouldn’t be cuddling anyone who told me to fuck off. Especially when I spent the previous day caring for their poorly children while they go to football and pub. Whilst running down my savings to pay bills on maternity leave. What a revolting, selfish man.

Pinkissmart · 30/08/2026 10:23

Shezz95 · 30/08/2026 07:15

Bit of an antiquated view isn’t it? I’m on maternity leave at the minute and have saved up so that I will continue to pay my half of the bills until I’m back at work early next year?

Christ this is sad. You’re on reduced wage but still expected to pay half, so you had to save up? I view that as financial abuse

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