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To think we have failed our children/daughter as she now doesn’t want any other job just one in my office or working with DH.

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ForJadeEagle · 18/08/2026 21:33

Our daughter doesn’t want to go to her firm choice anymore. Instead, she wants to take a gap year and reapply to university, but she doesn’t want to get a job unless it’s at my workplace.

Our daughter did incredibly well in her Alevels 4 A stars. She worked incredibly hard for those grades and had been set to go to Durham to study Law. Cambridge was always her ultimate university, but she never applied due to the applications having to be in so early for Oxford and Cambridge compared to the other unis. Now that she has achieved these grades, she wants to take a gap year and apply.

I’ve told her that she cannot simply spend the year working for me. I want her to get some proper, real-world work experience. Almost all of her work experience so far has been with family members or friends of my husband. She’s never had a customer service job or anything similar.

I’m a solicitor and run my own business. My office is in the town centre of our town. It’s not a huge law firm or a Magic Circle firm I have fewer than 20 solicitors working for me. I have allowed her to “work for me” for a while now, and she genuinely enjoys it. In some ways, she’s practically a paralegal. She has been working alongside and shadowing the paralegals for around two years and does a lot of the filing and general office work.

But I would really like her to have a normal job for an 18 year old. Go and work in a supermarket, a café, retail anything like that. Even if she only did it for six months, I think she needs to experience what that kind of work is actually like.

I think we’ve given her far too much privilege, and now we’re seeing the consequences of that. She says that if I won’t let her work in my office for the year, then her dad will let her work with him. He’s an art dealer and runs auctions in London. It’s not Christie’s or Sothebys nothing like that it’s his own business.

The truth is, I feel like we’ve raised a brat, and I’m incredibly disappointed in myself.
She has never really had to work for anything. I pay her for the work she does at my office, and I even pay her above minimum wage for her age. When it came to her car, I told her she needed to save up for one herself. Instead, she went behind our backs and spoke to my husband’s parents, who then “gifted” her a relatively new Mini under ten years old for her 18th birthday.
I’m just so frustrated. Every time we’ve tried to put a boundary in place, she seems to find a way around it. My parents and my husband’s parents are all in their 80s. They don’t always know what goes on, and they would do absolutely anything for her. I’ve tried talking to my parents about it, but they just say, “She’s young.” My parents have more money than sense at this point. They’re retired and financially comfortable, so they feel they have nothing to lose by giving her things.

And it isn’t just our daughter. Our eldest son is at Edinburgh and is going into his final year. He’s doing very well academically and has had plenty of jobs, but they’ve all been “nice” jobs. I worry that we’ve sheltered both of them too much. I don’t want my children to suffer, but I do think there is value in being 18 or 21 and having to do a job that isn’t particularly glamorous.

Our son is 21 and has mostly worked in places like art galleries. He’s currently doing his internship in London at JPMorgan and his plan is to work there after graduation next summer. If that happens, he may never actually have had what I would consider a “normal” job for someone his age.

I never wanted my children to struggle unnecessarily. I wanted to give them opportunities and make sure they were comfortable. But now I’m wondering whether, in trying so hard to protect them from hardship, we’ve also protected them from learning what hard work, independence and consequences actually feel like.

Have we genuinely failed as parents. DH is much more blasé about it. Doesn’t think they need to work in a supermarket or just a customer service role to know what it is like to work for things.

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Thosecandlesdontmatch · 19/08/2026 14:31

Is this one of those stealth boast situations…

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:30

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 14:27

You've contradicted yourself because you keep emphasising that you know what educational and societal advantage looks like, how families can attempt to 'train' their kids for success by using tutors, prep schools, and so on. You said you know this because you work in Higher Education.

The Oxbridge admissions tutors also know this, so your argument doesn't quite work, does it?

The point is - of course candidates apply to Oxbridge from different positions. But the admissions teams are aware of the different positions. Stop trying to suggest that if you come from a wealthy, ambitious family that getting into Oxbridge will be a doddle. It's simply isn't the case.

But that’s not me contradicting myself, is it? Fair enough if you think I’m wrong, but I’m not contradicting myself.

Overwhelmedandtired · 19/08/2026 14:28

I think as she wants to study law, and you have the opportunity and capability to offer her relevant work experience, it would be harsh not to. However, does it have to be paid? If she's spoilt, could it be a part time internship, and she needs to find paid work elsewhere too?

Or, alternatively, as others have suggested it doesn't sound like it needs to be a job at tesco, but more a role which involves working with the general public, understanding people better, and stepping outside her privileged world. So she could volunteer as mentioned, which will also beef up her Cambridge application. Could she volunteer somewhere like womens aid, or a domestic abuse charity, which might also help her understand challenges faced by some of those needing legal support.

She could try a volunteering trip overseas? Does she have any particular areas of interest that she could help out in? Like a sport, language etc.

Does she have much of a financial education? Does she understand the value of money? If you do pay her, another option could be giving her 'bills' to pay. So she gets a salary for her gap year but needs to pay rent, phone bill, car insurance etc. Not get given what she wants, and help understand the value of money. Even if you don't need the money and put it aside for her in the future.

It sounds like you almost loved and cared for your DC too much, by giving them everything you could, and just missing the part that they might come to expect rather than feel grateful for it. Very much sounds like your heart is in the right place, I hope she starts to understand the lessons you want her to learn.

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 14:27

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:08

How have I contradicted myself?

And my final point is not ridiculous, it’s fact. Hence why prep schools, tutors, mentors etc. exist. An entire industry literally geared towards getting children into Oxbridge and its equivalents exists.

You've contradicted yourself because you keep emphasising that you know what educational and societal advantage looks like, how families can attempt to 'train' their kids for success by using tutors, prep schools, and so on. You said you know this because you work in Higher Education.

The Oxbridge admissions tutors also know this, so your argument doesn't quite work, does it?

The point is - of course candidates apply to Oxbridge from different positions. But the admissions teams are aware of the different positions. Stop trying to suggest that if you come from a wealthy, ambitious family that getting into Oxbridge will be a doddle. It's simply isn't the case.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 14:26

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:23

You don’t think an aspiring lawyer needs to understand how challenging, difficult and abusive people can be? Doesn’t need to understand the interplay of power dynamics? Of how people treat those they see as lesser than them? These are important lessons.

No, I don’t think a City contract lawyer or any other corporate role needs to know that. How would it help them?

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:23

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 14:20

It’s a pretty rotten lesson. I could have done without learning it. You’re just being contrary now.

You don’t think an aspiring lawyer needs to understand how challenging, difficult and abusive people can be? Doesn’t need to understand the interplay of power dynamics? Of how people treat those they see as lesser than them? These are important lessons.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:22

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 14:18

i’d wager a huge amount of trades people work with their parents in the family business. My electrician came around the other day with his 2 sons who work for him. Absolutely lovely. Are you saying trades people who work with their parents are useless?

Edited

Well given the number of tradespeople we all know who do shoddy work, ghost clients, miss deadlines etc., maybe focusing more on hiring the right person for a job instead of the one who happens to share your DNA wouldn’t be a bad thing?

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 14:20

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:09

And that’s a good lesson to learn, so you see, you did learn something.

It’s a pretty rotten lesson. I could have done without learning it. You’re just being contrary now.

IdaGlossop · 19/08/2026 14:19

Hankunamatata · 19/08/2026 12:59

I have no experience of oxford or Cambridge applications. But wont she need to do something substantial during her gap year to put on the application?

Whats her plan if she doesnt get oxford or Cambridge?

She will need to do something consistent with being dedicated to studying law eg working in a legal practice. She would apply through UCAS in the usual way, listing for other universities and courses she is interested in.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 14:18

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:09

Yeah I can agree with that!

i’d wager a huge amount of trades people work with their parents in the family business. My electrician came around the other day with his 2 sons who work for him. Absolutely lovely. Are you saying trades people who work with their parents are useless?

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:09

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 14:08

All working in public facing roles taught me is what arseholes some people are.

Edited

And that’s a good lesson to learn, so you see, you did learn something.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:09

Whosthetabbynow · 19/08/2026 14:00

From my observations the parents that have their offspring work with/for them is because they’re the type of kids that can’t be let loose into the world.

Yeah I can agree with that!

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:08

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 14:01

You've contradicted yourself here. You've said you work in HE and are aware 'parents who have the means have been training their children for Oxbridge and its equivalents from birth. They know the language, the culture and the system inside out.'

What makes you think you know this, but the Oxbridge admissions tutors don't? They know full well a candidate from Eton has had huge advantages over a candidate from a failing comp in an area where there's high deprivation.

Arguably, if you are from a highly educated family and go to a school with excellent teaching/outcomes, you will be far more likely to apply to Oxbridge in the first place, yes. But to say 'Take a decently intelligent child and start that training and you will get them in' is utterly ridiculous.

How have I contradicted myself?

And my final point is not ridiculous, it’s fact. Hence why prep schools, tutors, mentors etc. exist. An entire industry literally geared towards getting children into Oxbridge and its equivalents exists.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 14:08

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 13:16

Yes, working in public-facing roles does give you those sort of skills. To greater and lesser extents of course, as you demonstrate.

All working in public facing roles taught me is what arseholes some people are.

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 14:01

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 13:19

I work in HE. Believe me when I say that parents who have the means have been training their children for Oxbridge and its equivalents from birth. They know the language, the culture and the system inside out. Take a decently intelligent child and start that training and you will get them in. It’s really not that complicated.

You've contradicted yourself here. You've said you work in HE and are aware 'parents who have the means have been training their children for Oxbridge and its equivalents from birth. They know the language, the culture and the system inside out.'

What makes you think you know this, but the Oxbridge admissions tutors don't? They know full well a candidate from Eton has had huge advantages over a candidate from a failing comp in an area where there's high deprivation.

Arguably, if you are from a highly educated family and go to a school with excellent teaching/outcomes, you will be far more likely to apply to Oxbridge in the first place, yes. But to say 'Take a decently intelligent child and start that training and you will get them in' is utterly ridiculous.

Whosthetabbynow · 19/08/2026 14:00

From my observations the parents that have their offspring work with/for them is because they’re the type of kids that can’t be let loose into the world.

SupaStah · 19/08/2026 13:54

Yes, your dc sound spoilt in some aspects, but that’s not always a bad thing.
6 months working in a supermarket isn’t going to undo that, or make any difference at all, because she always has privilege to fall back on.
At least she has good grades, wants a good career, Oxford etc. she’s not dossing around in bed all day doing nothing.

I am a working mum on universal credit, in social housing. I can guarantee I would give my children the privilege you have given yours (and more!) if I could.
As long as she realises she is privileged, own it and use it for your/her advantage.

She will never have worries that some others her age will have, that in itself is an incredible gift. If shit hits the fan she can always work with you, has a roof over her head etc.
Don’t make her pretend to be something she’s not, there is nothing more insufferable than cosplaying as someone without enormous privilege.

miniaturepixieonacid · 19/08/2026 13:49

She sounds like most of the privileged, affluent, (privately educated?) late teens/early 20s that I know. Intelligent, articulate and driven with great people management (manipulation!) skills. Yes, a little spoiled and entitled but either real life will knock that out of them as they get older or they will continue to live in thir happy, oblivious bubble and everyone around them will be the same so they will be just fine.

If she wants to apply to Cambridge, she needs to stand out. Working for a law firm will help her do this much more than working in a supermarket or cafe will. I think she's beiing sensible.

We had a girl working at the school I teach at for the same reason - had a place at Durham, wanted to go to Oxbridge so was reapplying and getting relevant work experience to help her application. Turns out she still didn't get into Oxbridge, went to Durham and had a fabulous time. But she knew she wanted to have a go so she did. I don't think you should discourage your daughter.

SunnyDays11266 · 19/08/2026 13:42

She's not a brat, she has excellent grades and got into a top uni. She's also been working for you.

You have money, so you buy her things. She's not off partying, she's taking a gap year to apply to another uni and work for you.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 13:39

99bottlesofkombucha · 19/08/2026 13:33

Nicely put 😁 I worked with someone and one of the reasons they hired him to the trading desk was because of how he sold his busy coffee shop experience.

I am often on interview panels these days and can tell which candidates have received leg ups from a mile away versus those who have fought their way through. Guess who we tend to hire?

Give me someone who worked double shifts at Tesco while completing their studies over someone whose parent gave them a nonexistent job in the family firm any day. The former will go above and beyond. Find solutions. Speak to whoever they need to at whatever level to get the job done. The latter? Let’s just say they think all jobs will be like the one they had with mummy and daddy. And their entitlement speaks volumes.

99bottlesofkombucha · 19/08/2026 13:33

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 13:16

Yes, working in public-facing roles does give you those sort of skills. To greater and lesser extents of course, as you demonstrate.

Nicely put 😁 I worked with someone and one of the reasons they hired him to the trading desk was because of how he sold his busy coffee shop experience.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 13:32

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 13:14

The world does work like that if you are an ethical person. No way would I let a family member waltz into a company I’d created without so much as an interview. I want the best person for the job, not the one who simply shares my DNA.

It’s slightly off point granted but 93% of all private sector firms in the Uk are family businesses so I think employing children above other people is pretty normal.

i think the OP should be thrilled her child wants to work for her honestly and see it as a positive. I’d love to work with my children eventually.

RemakeRemodel · 19/08/2026 13:30

Jesus christ. If this is what other parents are like then no wonder I found Cambridge challenging after my failing state 6th form college. I don't think I even told my parents I was applying until I'd done it. Heads up that they didn't ask me anything about my job in Topshop at the interview though.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 13:19

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 13:10

I'm not just saying this because my DC is at Oxbridge 😂 - but trust me, getting into Oxford or Cambridge is really NOT 'an easy win', whatever background you've had.

Oxbridge admissions teams are highly aware of levels of advantage/privilege amongst their applicants. It's an in-depth process and the teams look at this closely in the hope of levelling the playing field as far as they can and making this as fair as possible.

I know quite a few very high-achieving kids (yes, with 4x Astars at A-level) who didn't get through - it's super tough. You don't just walk into it, whatever educational and societal advantages you've had.

I work in HE. Believe me when I say that parents who have the means have been training their children for Oxbridge and its equivalents from birth. They know the language, the culture and the system inside out. Take a decently intelligent child and start that training and you will get them in. It’s really not that complicated.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 13:16

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 13:13

Working in a cafe is going to give her all those skills?

no shade to working in a cafe- I’ve it myself when a teen but I didn’t learn much, certainly none of things you listed.

Yes, working in public-facing roles does give you those sort of skills. To greater and lesser extents of course, as you demonstrate.

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