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To think we have failed our children/daughter as she now doesn’t want any other job just one in my office or working with DH.

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ForJadeEagle · 18/08/2026 21:33

Our daughter doesn’t want to go to her firm choice anymore. Instead, she wants to take a gap year and reapply to university, but she doesn’t want to get a job unless it’s at my workplace.

Our daughter did incredibly well in her Alevels 4 A stars. She worked incredibly hard for those grades and had been set to go to Durham to study Law. Cambridge was always her ultimate university, but she never applied due to the applications having to be in so early for Oxford and Cambridge compared to the other unis. Now that she has achieved these grades, she wants to take a gap year and apply.

I’ve told her that she cannot simply spend the year working for me. I want her to get some proper, real-world work experience. Almost all of her work experience so far has been with family members or friends of my husband. She’s never had a customer service job or anything similar.

I’m a solicitor and run my own business. My office is in the town centre of our town. It’s not a huge law firm or a Magic Circle firm I have fewer than 20 solicitors working for me. I have allowed her to “work for me” for a while now, and she genuinely enjoys it. In some ways, she’s practically a paralegal. She has been working alongside and shadowing the paralegals for around two years and does a lot of the filing and general office work.

But I would really like her to have a normal job for an 18 year old. Go and work in a supermarket, a café, retail anything like that. Even if she only did it for six months, I think she needs to experience what that kind of work is actually like.

I think we’ve given her far too much privilege, and now we’re seeing the consequences of that. She says that if I won’t let her work in my office for the year, then her dad will let her work with him. He’s an art dealer and runs auctions in London. It’s not Christie’s or Sothebys nothing like that it’s his own business.

The truth is, I feel like we’ve raised a brat, and I’m incredibly disappointed in myself.
She has never really had to work for anything. I pay her for the work she does at my office, and I even pay her above minimum wage for her age. When it came to her car, I told her she needed to save up for one herself. Instead, she went behind our backs and spoke to my husband’s parents, who then “gifted” her a relatively new Mini under ten years old for her 18th birthday.
I’m just so frustrated. Every time we’ve tried to put a boundary in place, she seems to find a way around it. My parents and my husband’s parents are all in their 80s. They don’t always know what goes on, and they would do absolutely anything for her. I’ve tried talking to my parents about it, but they just say, “She’s young.” My parents have more money than sense at this point. They’re retired and financially comfortable, so they feel they have nothing to lose by giving her things.

And it isn’t just our daughter. Our eldest son is at Edinburgh and is going into his final year. He’s doing very well academically and has had plenty of jobs, but they’ve all been “nice” jobs. I worry that we’ve sheltered both of them too much. I don’t want my children to suffer, but I do think there is value in being 18 or 21 and having to do a job that isn’t particularly glamorous.

Our son is 21 and has mostly worked in places like art galleries. He’s currently doing his internship in London at JPMorgan and his plan is to work there after graduation next summer. If that happens, he may never actually have had what I would consider a “normal” job for someone his age.

I never wanted my children to struggle unnecessarily. I wanted to give them opportunities and make sure they were comfortable. But now I’m wondering whether, in trying so hard to protect them from hardship, we’ve also protected them from learning what hard work, independence and consequences actually feel like.

Have we genuinely failed as parents. DH is much more blasé about it. Doesn’t think they need to work in a supermarket or just a customer service role to know what it is like to work for things.

OP posts:
MaturingCheeseball · 19/08/2026 16:11

YourGiddyGreyHelper · 19/08/2026 15:41

If you are involved in your firm's recruitment process you should know that the LPC has been virtually phased out and replaced by the SQE.

That poster was writing complete baloney! They don’t want the cleverest person in the room? Hell no, they want nice people…

Papyrophile · 19/08/2026 16:11

DS didn't know what he wanted to do at 18, so we paid for a short professional course, and he was offered a job by the first place he dropped his CV because the team leader had tutored that course. But he kept the job until he did go to university by being focused, turning up daily at 6:45, and learning new skills throughout the two years he worked there. It wasn't the easiest place to work: high pressure and not always congenial colleagues, but definitely a formative experience.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 16:00

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 15:51

Don't you? How odd. I would have thought it's obvious that any challenge builds resilience, whatever the domain. Letting children struggle sometimes is essential to help them build competence, confidence and a sense of agency. It's a balance between helping children grow and learn without becoming overwhelmed. But over protecting children does them no favours. IME, people with privileges often really struggle when life gets hard and every life has hard times.

You make a good point about not all jobs being shit no matter what they are. But my point is that doing a job which isn't your dream job, with all that entails, is helpful in development. OP is right to be concerned.

I completely agree with you. And fair enough when this happens with the mega-rich where their children will never have to worry, but I see so many solidly middle class parents treating their children like this. They’re not going to be able to carry their children forever-what’s going to happen when that child can’t keep a job?

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:58

jobsagooduninnit · 19/08/2026 15:52

It was shorthand. I wondered if someone might stump this up as a gotcha but thought ‘no that would be petty’, but here we are.

That’s always the case on MN when someone has absolutely no comeback. They will focus on a spelling mistake etc. rather than actually make a valid point to move the discussion on.

jobsagooduninnit · 19/08/2026 15:52

YourGiddyGreyHelper · 19/08/2026 15:41

If you are involved in your firm's recruitment process you should know that the LPC has been virtually phased out and replaced by the SQE.

It was shorthand. I wondered if someone might stump this up as a gotcha but thought ‘no that would be petty’, but here we are.

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 15:51

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 15:04

I'm not sure that having a shit job developes resilience for shit jobs and not all shop or bar jobs are shit anyway. Arguably the dd doesn't need to develop resilience for shit jobs.

Don't you? How odd. I would have thought it's obvious that any challenge builds resilience, whatever the domain. Letting children struggle sometimes is essential to help them build competence, confidence and a sense of agency. It's a balance between helping children grow and learn without becoming overwhelmed. But over protecting children does them no favours. IME, people with privileges often really struggle when life gets hard and every life has hard times.

You make a good point about not all jobs being shit no matter what they are. But my point is that doing a job which isn't your dream job, with all that entails, is helpful in development. OP is right to be concerned.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:50

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 15:46

Accurate and factual?

Plenty of information on the Oxbridge websites about how they use contextual data in admissions - https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/apply/after/contextual-data

https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/applying/guide-for-applicants/decisions/contextual-information

Maybe have a read and stop perpetuating this idea that you can somehow buy your way in. It's just not the case.

So you disagree with me? Fair enough. But that still doesn’t mean I am contradicting myself, does it?

Travelban · 19/08/2026 15:49

I get how you feel (and I would feel similarly)... however, as others said, it's also a little late to get hospitality or retail jobs with no experience at their age. Mine have but they started at 15.... most of them want either lots of experience when they are paying the full £12.50 per hour or they take on 15/16 year olds as they can pay them £8 instead. And even so, with many years' experience under their belt, they still have experienced rejections. For one of the local pubs they had swathes of teenagers going for one job. It's quite a tough market out there.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:49

jobsagooduninnit · 19/08/2026 15:40

Particularly as AI takes a hold. The differentiator in professional services is now supporting human centred decisions and complex problem solving.
Im not looking for the grad who can pull together the best research memo. We have AI tools that do 90% of that! I need people who can connect and build relationships with people. Internal and external. That needs real world experience, the ability to listen, centre the other person, patience and empathy. You’ll be surprised how lacking some of those skills are in the current grad population.
Things have totally changed in the past 2-3 years in prof services recruitment. Most of the above posters views are 10 years out of date.
Most of the candidates like the OP’s DD if they do get in don’t last. Far too boring for them and the first time being a little fish in a small pond without constant direction and praise sees them flounder. My two best hires were a guy who ran his own gardening business before he qualified and the other was a carer for his mother and sister for his whole childhood and teens. Neither went anywhere near Oxbridge.
Customer facing roles isn’t just supermarkets. I look for rounded experience. Volunteering with the community, work with care/community service users on a CV is brilliant. As is AI entrepreneurship!

Yup. People skills are going to be more in demand than ever before. AI can do the boring stuff. But dealing with people? That’s a skill you cannot replicate or half arse.

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 15:46

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:39

I still have not contradicted myself. And my points are accurate and factual, whether you want to admit it or not.

Accurate and factual?

Plenty of information on the Oxbridge websites about how they use contextual data in admissions - https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/apply/after/contextual-data

https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/applying/guide-for-applicants/decisions/contextual-information

Maybe have a read and stop perpetuating this idea that you can somehow buy your way in. It's just not the case.

Contextual data | Undergraduate Study

We use contextual data in the undergraduate admissions process. Learn more about the information we use and its role in the selection process.

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/apply/after/contextual-data

lightseeker · 19/08/2026 15:46

The other thing is, the Cambridge application would be due in mid-Oct and interviews are in late Nov / Dec. So she only has about 7 weeks for the PS.

Never mind this working in a shop business. What does she have for the PS? What is she reading? What has she done over and above the A-level curriculum? This is what Cambridge will be looking for. If she hasn't already, she needs to go online and look for essay competitions for Law - even if she doesn't win anything. the effort involved in entering gives her a kind of 'specialist' interest to develop in the PS. Did she do an EPQ she could talk about? She shouldn't just talk about A-level texts or what she did at school. The tone of an Oxbridge PS needs to be very academic and she should only mention work experience or extra-curricular things if these are relevant to her academic development - eg,'working in a law firm has given me first hand insight into ..,, (insert whatever) and inspired me to research .... x,y,z. My entry for the John Locke Essay Competition develops this theme further .., yadda yadda..," Cambridge are not looking for a list of who has worked where - they have to draw out themes relevant to their choice of study (if possible). Good luck to her anyway.

YourGiddyGreyHelper · 19/08/2026 15:41

jobsagooduninnit · 19/08/2026 15:08

I am a partner in a city law firm. You might want to let her know I don’t interview any grad applicants who haven’t had a customer facing job. Experience shows they tend to make better lawyers.
I don’t need the cleverest most well connected person in the room. We deal with people. Customer facing roles teach humility, self awareness, time management, resilience and how to manage different types of people they will come across as clients. They also disabuse the over privileged that their privilege counts for much in the real world.
Someone who showed such a narrow work experience as you describe, and especially when it’s a family business wouldn’t get far in my firm.
Having said that it doesn’t have to be now. It could be during uni or even afterwards while she’s sitting the LPC.

If you are involved in your firm's recruitment process you should know that the LPC has been virtually phased out and replaced by the SQE.

IdaGlossop · 19/08/2026 15:40

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 15:36

Surname isn’t everything

and that assumes you are asked that. You might but it’s not a given. I’ve never asked that of any graduate how they got a job. No one asked me how I got my gap year job or internships.

I've made two suggestions, that's all. It would be foolish of DD in this case to assume this wouldn't come up. It may do. It may not.

jobsagooduninnit · 19/08/2026 15:40

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:15

Thank you. Who would have thought that living in a bubble created by your family wouldn’t make you the best employee in the big, wide world? Especially not in a profession where you’re supposed to be advocating for people often during incredibly difficult periods of their lives.

Particularly as AI takes a hold. The differentiator in professional services is now supporting human centred decisions and complex problem solving.
Im not looking for the grad who can pull together the best research memo. We have AI tools that do 90% of that! I need people who can connect and build relationships with people. Internal and external. That needs real world experience, the ability to listen, centre the other person, patience and empathy. You’ll be surprised how lacking some of those skills are in the current grad population.
Things have totally changed in the past 2-3 years in prof services recruitment. Most of the above posters views are 10 years out of date.
Most of the candidates like the OP’s DD if they do get in don’t last. Far too boring for them and the first time being a little fish in a small pond without constant direction and praise sees them flounder. My two best hires were a guy who ran his own gardening business before he qualified and the other was a carer for his mother and sister for his whole childhood and teens. Neither went anywhere near Oxbridge.
Customer facing roles isn’t just supermarkets. I look for rounded experience. Volunteering with the community, work with care/community service users on a CV is brilliant. As is AI entrepreneurship!

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:39

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 15:37

It's a contradiction to say that coming from an advantageous background, Oxbridge is easy to get into, and you know this because you work in Higher Education. But, wait a minute - the Oxbridge admissions tutors also work in Higher Education 😂They also know about those advantages...so there is the contradiction.

Your point doesn't make any sense. Oxbridge looks at candidates contextually.

I still have not contradicted myself. And my points are accurate and factual, whether you want to admit it or not.

Threetyy · 19/08/2026 15:37

Well you’re not wrong and my first thought was to say she can work at your firm if she’s gets a normal job 2 days a week. So it’s a part time deal.

But then I read about your son. You can’t treat them differently. So for that your stuck with the law or the arts family intern.

As for the mini. Tbh I always had shit cars when growing up. A right of passage as my parents say. Never crossed my mind and I loved my car. When I met my partner he said that’s a non negotiable for him. He said if we can afford it we are getting the best car we can for our children because we stick them in car seats, and float vests, and everything we can up to age of 18 to keep them alive. Why on earth would we give them a banger that’s more likely to kill the in a crash. And tbh I can’t say he’s wrong in hindsight. I knew plenty of friends who had bad crashes. Everyone in minis walked away. We had sadly two fatalities in Renault Clio’s - which was the car I used to drive.

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 15:37

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 14:41

But that’s not me contradicting myself, is it? That’s me making a point that you don’t agree with, which is fair enough.

It's a contradiction to say that coming from an advantageous background, Oxbridge is easy to get into, and you know this because you work in Higher Education. But, wait a minute - the Oxbridge admissions tutors also work in Higher Education 😂They also know about those advantages...so there is the contradiction.

Your point doesn't make any sense. Oxbridge looks at candidates contextually.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 15:36

IdaGlossop · 19/08/2026 15:34

Surname - X & Partners? Interview question: 'How did you end up working at this particular practice during your gap year?'

Surname isn’t everything

and that assumes you are asked that. You might but it’s not a given. I’ve never asked that of any graduate how they got a job. No one asked me how I got my gap year job or internships.

IdaGlossop · 19/08/2026 15:34

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 15:16

How would Cambridge know you were working for a family firm?

Surname - X & Partners? Interview question: 'How did you end up working at this particular practice during your gap year?'

AtlasCedar · 19/08/2026 15:34

HarshbutTrue2 · 19/08/2026 05:52

Charity work is the answer. I have no idea how you get her to do it though.
Maybe tell her that volunteering at the local homeless centre/ brownies/ hospice/ retirement home would look good on her cv.

I don’t think working with vulnerable service users will have a good effect on her necessarily. As someone who does this kind of volunteering you have to already understand that people are at their lowest when they arrive and need help and they’re often not in the mood to be polite, to thank you, to not be picky, to not swear or look at you with anger or even act out, they might be having mental health issues, they could be addicts or they might not speak English or they look at you with disapproval for being not of their culture or religion. You have to already know that they are just struggling and need total non judgemental empathy. That you are there for them not them for you.

Otherwise it’ll just make her decide that the service users don’t deserve it because they’re rude/selfish/picky/scary. Which are comments I have heard before.

Maybe fundraising but not at the coalface.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 15:32

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:28

I’m not going to spoon feed you, it’s tiresome.

seriously.

  1. when recruiting I have never once does any checks to see if an employee worked for family. wouldn’t occur to me. No one has ever asked me either
  2. social media profiles are all private
  3. how would you connect the candidate in front of you against anyone at the firm. You could, go on surname I guess but since many people have a different surname from a parent (I certainly did) then there would be no way to connect any dots
Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:28

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 15:27

And? Still not getting it. How would that connection come up?

I’m not going to spoon feed you, it’s tiresome.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 15:27

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:24

The internet exists.

And? Still not getting it. How would that connection come up?

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:24

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 15:20

How would they know of was your family firm? I wouldn’t disclose that.

The internet exists.

lightseeker · 19/08/2026 15:22

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