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To think we have failed our children/daughter as she now doesn’t want any other job just one in my office or working with DH.

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ForJadeEagle · 18/08/2026 21:33

Our daughter doesn’t want to go to her firm choice anymore. Instead, she wants to take a gap year and reapply to university, but she doesn’t want to get a job unless it’s at my workplace.

Our daughter did incredibly well in her Alevels 4 A stars. She worked incredibly hard for those grades and had been set to go to Durham to study Law. Cambridge was always her ultimate university, but she never applied due to the applications having to be in so early for Oxford and Cambridge compared to the other unis. Now that she has achieved these grades, she wants to take a gap year and apply.

I’ve told her that she cannot simply spend the year working for me. I want her to get some proper, real-world work experience. Almost all of her work experience so far has been with family members or friends of my husband. She’s never had a customer service job or anything similar.

I’m a solicitor and run my own business. My office is in the town centre of our town. It’s not a huge law firm or a Magic Circle firm I have fewer than 20 solicitors working for me. I have allowed her to “work for me” for a while now, and she genuinely enjoys it. In some ways, she’s practically a paralegal. She has been working alongside and shadowing the paralegals for around two years and does a lot of the filing and general office work.

But I would really like her to have a normal job for an 18 year old. Go and work in a supermarket, a café, retail anything like that. Even if she only did it for six months, I think she needs to experience what that kind of work is actually like.

I think we’ve given her far too much privilege, and now we’re seeing the consequences of that. She says that if I won’t let her work in my office for the year, then her dad will let her work with him. He’s an art dealer and runs auctions in London. It’s not Christie’s or Sothebys nothing like that it’s his own business.

The truth is, I feel like we’ve raised a brat, and I’m incredibly disappointed in myself.
She has never really had to work for anything. I pay her for the work she does at my office, and I even pay her above minimum wage for her age. When it came to her car, I told her she needed to save up for one herself. Instead, she went behind our backs and spoke to my husband’s parents, who then “gifted” her a relatively new Mini under ten years old for her 18th birthday.
I’m just so frustrated. Every time we’ve tried to put a boundary in place, she seems to find a way around it. My parents and my husband’s parents are all in their 80s. They don’t always know what goes on, and they would do absolutely anything for her. I’ve tried talking to my parents about it, but they just say, “She’s young.” My parents have more money than sense at this point. They’re retired and financially comfortable, so they feel they have nothing to lose by giving her things.

And it isn’t just our daughter. Our eldest son is at Edinburgh and is going into his final year. He’s doing very well academically and has had plenty of jobs, but they’ve all been “nice” jobs. I worry that we’ve sheltered both of them too much. I don’t want my children to suffer, but I do think there is value in being 18 or 21 and having to do a job that isn’t particularly glamorous.

Our son is 21 and has mostly worked in places like art galleries. He’s currently doing his internship in London at JPMorgan and his plan is to work there after graduation next summer. If that happens, he may never actually have had what I would consider a “normal” job for someone his age.

I never wanted my children to struggle unnecessarily. I wanted to give them opportunities and make sure they were comfortable. But now I’m wondering whether, in trying so hard to protect them from hardship, we’ve also protected them from learning what hard work, independence and consequences actually feel like.

Have we genuinely failed as parents. DH is much more blasé about it. Doesn’t think they need to work in a supermarket or just a customer service role to know what it is like to work for things.

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ClairDeLaLune · 19/08/2026 18:14

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 18/08/2026 21:59

I think you might be overthinking it a bit too.

If it helps, I have kids similar ages (22, 20) and have done what you think you should have done, but not by choice.

I brought them up as a single mum with no family wealth behind me. They've had all sorts of unglamourous jobs, bought their own cars, now live independently. They're incredibly capable and mature for their ages and I'm very very proud.

BUT they're like that because they had to be, and I read posts like yours and feel awful guilt that they had to work for everything they have and I couldn't give them a bigger leg up in life. I'm sure they look at their wealthier friends still being carried along by their parents and feel the same way.

So there's the other side... might help you realise you're not doing so badly after all Flowers

You absolutely shouldn’t feel guilty @Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice you sound like an amazing mum! You’ve brought your kids up incredibly well, which is the toughest job in the world, and they sound like they’ve done just fine without a leg-up.

But I don’t see anything wrong with kids having a leg-up either, if you’re in the position to do it. Sounds like she’d be getting relevant experience working for you, which will help in her Oxbridge application, and let’s face it, most of the kids applying will have had some parental help.

Also, if you send her off to work in a supermarket you’d probably be depriving someone else of that job who would need it more.

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 17:55

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 17:32

Well, whether its obvious to you or not, that is how resilience is built. Yes, too many demands which outstrip resources are a significant barrier to developing resilience. But for a child from a stable family, small challenges are a helpful part of development. We are in the middle of a resilience crisis and over protecting behaviours from parents is a significant factor in this. It's why, for example, Oxbridge has such a mental health crisis, so many people are not working due to anxiety and depression, and why employers are reporting such problems with workforce recruitment and development. OP is getting that, but obviously a lot of parents don't.

I am sure they have had challenges during their childhood. How do you think they did well academically ? If there is a mental health crisis at oxbridge it will be due to the relentless pressure of academic work and not to do with whether they have ever worked in a shop.

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 17:50

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 17:39

No, that is catagorically wrong. People are not developing resilience. And having all obstacles removed from your path is partly why. How is needing to get a job a false challenge for anyone? A pp has posted very movingly about someone who only ever worked in a family but as unless and how it affected them.

If someone lives a life with few obstacles they arguably will never need resilience. Regardless getting good a levels and doing well at school is a challenge for most people and much harder than working in a shop or pub imo.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 17:50

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 17:48

Rubbish. Progress 8 scores at these scores will be flat. You put clever kids in you get clever kids out. Academically the value at add at these schools is almost zero.

As I pointed out earlier education at one of the most prestigious schools in the country didn’t do Prince Harry much good. As my mum used to say “You can’t buy brains”.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 17:48

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 16:55

No. They’re not more clever. Their parents just have the money to provide the education, support and time needed to succeed when applying to Oxbridge.

Rubbish. Progress 8 scores at these scores will be flat. You put clever kids in you get clever kids out. Academically the value at add at these schools is almost zero.

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 17:47

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 17:44

You can teach resilience from an early age by modelling it and encouraging a child to respond positively to setbacks. Resilience isn’t built by making someone take a job they don’t need or want and robbing someone else who does need and or want it.

I agree.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 17:44

You can teach resilience from an early age by modelling it and encouraging a child to respond positively to setbacks. Resilience isn’t built by making someone take a job they don’t need or want and robbing someone else who does need and or want it.

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 17:39

concertinacornflake · 19/08/2026 17:35

False challenges do not develop resilience. Resilience develops naturally through life, and those with strong support networks tend to have more of it.

No, that is catagorically wrong. People are not developing resilience. And having all obstacles removed from your path is partly why. How is needing to get a job a false challenge for anyone? A pp has posted very movingly about someone who only ever worked in a family but as unless and how it affected them.

concertinacornflake · 19/08/2026 17:35

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 17:32

Well, whether its obvious to you or not, that is how resilience is built. Yes, too many demands which outstrip resources are a significant barrier to developing resilience. But for a child from a stable family, small challenges are a helpful part of development. We are in the middle of a resilience crisis and over protecting behaviours from parents is a significant factor in this. It's why, for example, Oxbridge has such a mental health crisis, so many people are not working due to anxiety and depression, and why employers are reporting such problems with workforce recruitment and development. OP is getting that, but obviously a lot of parents don't.

False challenges do not develop resilience. Resilience develops naturally through life, and those with strong support networks tend to have more of it.

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 17:32

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 16:49

I don't think it obvious at all that because someone has faced challenges in life that they are more resilient. Some life challenges can actually make people less resilient. Also, it may be the case the OP's dd only ever does professional jobs. They are obviously very bright and have connections.

Well, whether its obvious to you or not, that is how resilience is built. Yes, too many demands which outstrip resources are a significant barrier to developing resilience. But for a child from a stable family, small challenges are a helpful part of development. We are in the middle of a resilience crisis and over protecting behaviours from parents is a significant factor in this. It's why, for example, Oxbridge has such a mental health crisis, so many people are not working due to anxiety and depression, and why employers are reporting such problems with workforce recruitment and development. OP is getting that, but obviously a lot of parents don't.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 19/08/2026 17:31

Tbh working for a solicitor’s firm sounds much better experience than doing a customer service job when she has no plans to do anything similar for a living.

”The real world” is whatever world you happen to be living in.

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 17:28

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 16:40

So 10 percent of Oxford offers come from very high-achieving, academically selective schools. 8 of them are private and 6 of them are state - so, it's not really such a massive difference for that 10 percent, is it?

But that's not even the point. What I take issue with is your stance that if you come from an advantaged background it is 'easy' to get into Oxbridge.

You seem to be forgetting that the private schools listed here are enormously competitive to get into in the first place. These are highly academic kids in the first place. Yes, the private schools listed here mean parents can afford to pay the fees (unless they are on a bursary). Yes, students will be given extensive academic support that will help their application. Yes, they are more likely to be encouraged to apply to Oxbridge than they might at an average state school.

But Oxbridge admissions know this. They know that someone who grew up in Hampstead and went to a high achieving private school is coming from a place of advantage over and above someone who went to a failing comp and grew up on a rough estate. That's why they do admissions contextually, and why your constant insistence that it's a breeze to get into Oxbridge if you are from an advantaged background just isn't true. You cannot buy your way in.

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 17:11

hds873banana · 19/08/2026 16:42

I have a friend who worked for his dad from age 15. Good salary, low hours, the business was all set up for him, didn’t have to hustle and do client acquisition from scratch. I used to be working hard all week (I wfh) and see him regularly come home early, go for bike rides, work three day weeks a lot. He’s now in his late forties. The company folded last year. He’s absolutely stressed out of his mind and miserable. He’s had to take a job as a long distance truck driver. Hardly sees his kids, has to sleep away from home most the week. Health is not good due to sedentary lifestyle as a driver. He repeatedly says he wishes he’d forged his own path than rely on the family business. He feels unable to cope outside the family business set up.

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You are talking about someone without qualifications and probably few skills though. OP's dd isn't in that situation.

Retro12 · 19/08/2026 17:01

Your children have worked hard and done well for themselves. They're not relying on handouts, and by your own admission your daughter is thriving in her role in your office. So I don't understand why you're so keen for them to take low-paid jobs that don't match their qualifications or ambitions.

IdaGlossop · 19/08/2026 17:01

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 16:56

Maybe OP has kept her maiden name so it’s different to her children. It’s hardly unusual.

Of course. The key point is that working for a parent's business in a sector related to your preferred undergraduate subject has positives and negatives so you would need to think how to respond in case it did come up at interview.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 16:56

IdaGlossop · 19/08/2026 15:34

Surname - X & Partners? Interview question: 'How did you end up working at this particular practice during your gap year?'

Maybe OP has kept her maiden name so it’s different to her children. It’s hardly unusual.

TiredShadows · 19/08/2026 16:56

I don't think you've failed. I do think it's normal as they get to these ages and we see both our strengths and flaws in our kids that we start worry how we messed up our kids. I know I've had those moments, even though my day job involves working with some of the most anti-social - and failed - people.

For most of history, working for family members has been the norm for young people and as others said, most young people aren't getting those 'normal' jobs these days. IME, young people are more likely to be pointed towards agency work than supermarkets and cafes, and even that is hit and miss. My DD1 did that during her gap year, and ended up working as a school receptionist (her interest is education).

The kinds of changes you're talking about will need baby steps connected to her current ideas. I'm not certain what area of law you're in from your posts, but there are areas of law that involve working with a lot of people from most backgrounds. Some courthouses have paid internship programmes usually to temporarily bulk up numbers on the admin side for 10-12 weeks at a time, and if you're in England, look up Brook Street, they're an agency the court system uses, and it's very normal where I am for young adults to work in court roles as agency staff due to their interest in law and wanting that kind of practical, personal experience - quite a few move on law careers, some stick around for various reasons. Another option is looking at the Crown Prosecution Service, who are currently running a campaign for admin staff, and see if they appeals to her. Framing these as getting broader experience that would work great on her application as a nudge is probably better than trying to frame it entirely altruistically.

The main way to teach things like volunteering matters (which it very much does, our entire society relies on it) is to demonstrate it and again, potentially show it's connection to her goals. One option is volunteering with the Witness Services at a court - this varies by place and has some changes lately, it's usually Victim Support, Citizen Advice Bureau, I believe London has it's own service responsible. I do know people who've started there because of their interests and moved onto related careers. I've also known parent-adult child who volunteer in the same area for Witness Services...

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 16:55

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 16:51

But those children are exceedingly clever- way beyond the average school child in the UK Those schools are academically selective so would expect 99% to be Oxbridge worthy. Even if those children were in the state sector they would be exactly the same academically and have got the same grades. Those pupils would have all the confidence, tutoring and stack of extra curriculars regardless- the school would have no influence on their ‘cultural Capital. I would imagine even more of them would have got into Oxbridge as there wouldn't have been a private school context to take into account.

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No. They’re not more clever. Their parents just have the money to provide the education, support and time needed to succeed when applying to Oxbridge.

Justthethingsthatyoudointhisgarden · 19/08/2026 16:55

Not being funny, my daughter has worked throughout uni in hospitality and it's relentless. She'd give anything to have an opportunity like your daughter's. Having that on her CV is possibly the biggest gift you can give her.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 16:51

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 16:40

But those children are exceedingly clever- way beyond the average school child in the UK Those schools are academically selective so would expect 99% to be Oxbridge worthy. Even if those children were in the state sector they would be exactly the same academically and have got the same grades. Those pupils would have all the confidence, tutoring and stack of extra curriculars regardless- the school would have no influence on their ‘cultural Capital. I would imagine even more of them would have got into Oxbridge as there wouldn't have been a private school context to take into account.

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 16:49

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 15:51

Don't you? How odd. I would have thought it's obvious that any challenge builds resilience, whatever the domain. Letting children struggle sometimes is essential to help them build competence, confidence and a sense of agency. It's a balance between helping children grow and learn without becoming overwhelmed. But over protecting children does them no favours. IME, people with privileges often really struggle when life gets hard and every life has hard times.

You make a good point about not all jobs being shit no matter what they are. But my point is that doing a job which isn't your dream job, with all that entails, is helpful in development. OP is right to be concerned.

I don't think it obvious at all that because someone has faced challenges in life that they are more resilient. Some life challenges can actually make people less resilient. Also, it may be the case the OP's dd only ever does professional jobs. They are obviously very bright and have connections.

blubberball · 19/08/2026 16:45

Sounds like she's going to do well in life. I'd let her crack on with her plan

hds873banana · 19/08/2026 16:42

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 14:18

i’d wager a huge amount of trades people work with their parents in the family business. My electrician came around the other day with his 2 sons who work for him. Absolutely lovely. Are you saying trades people who work with their parents are useless?

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I have a friend who worked for his dad from age 15. Good salary, low hours, the business was all set up for him, didn’t have to hustle and do client acquisition from scratch. I used to be working hard all week (I wfh) and see him regularly come home early, go for bike rides, work three day weeks a lot. He’s now in his late forties. The company folded last year. He’s absolutely stressed out of his mind and miserable. He’s had to take a job as a long distance truck driver. Hardly sees his kids, has to sleep away from home most the week. Health is not good due to sedentary lifestyle as a driver. He repeatedly says he wishes he’d forged his own path than rely on the family business. He feels unable to cope outside the family business set up.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 16:40

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 16:29

It is a contradiction to suggest that because you work in HE, this makes you very knowledgeable about how coming from an advantaged background makes it spectacularly easy to get into Oxbridge.... if it's so easy, it therefore must mean that such knowledge would have totally bypassed the Oxbridge admissions tutors.

It's not a matter of opinion that I disagree with. It's that what you say makes zero sense and simply isn't true. There's extensive information available about how Oxbridge admissions look at candidates contextually.

But this is derailing the thread.

Of course you can’t buy your way into Oxbridge(!) https://cherwell.org/2025/05/18/over-10-percent-of-oxford-offers-come-from-just-14-schools/

Over 10% of Oxford offers come from just 14 schools - Cherwell

Cherwell has analysed admissions data and found that over 10% of Oxford offers come from just 14 schools, overwhelmingly selective and in the south

https://cherwell.org/2025/05/18/over-10-percent-of-oxford-offers-come-from-just-14-schools/

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 16:29

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 15:50

So you disagree with me? Fair enough. But that still doesn’t mean I am contradicting myself, does it?

It is a contradiction to suggest that because you work in HE, this makes you very knowledgeable about how coming from an advantaged background makes it spectacularly easy to get into Oxbridge.... if it's so easy, it therefore must mean that such knowledge would have totally bypassed the Oxbridge admissions tutors.

It's not a matter of opinion that I disagree with. It's that what you say makes zero sense and simply isn't true. There's extensive information available about how Oxbridge admissions look at candidates contextually.

But this is derailing the thread.

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