Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

To think we have failed our children/daughter as she now doesn’t want any other job just one in my office or working with DH.

437 replies

ForJadeEagle · 18/08/2026 21:33

Our daughter doesn’t want to go to her firm choice anymore. Instead, she wants to take a gap year and reapply to university, but she doesn’t want to get a job unless it’s at my workplace.

Our daughter did incredibly well in her Alevels 4 A stars. She worked incredibly hard for those grades and had been set to go to Durham to study Law. Cambridge was always her ultimate university, but she never applied due to the applications having to be in so early for Oxford and Cambridge compared to the other unis. Now that she has achieved these grades, she wants to take a gap year and apply.

I’ve told her that she cannot simply spend the year working for me. I want her to get some proper, real-world work experience. Almost all of her work experience so far has been with family members or friends of my husband. She’s never had a customer service job or anything similar.

I’m a solicitor and run my own business. My office is in the town centre of our town. It’s not a huge law firm or a Magic Circle firm I have fewer than 20 solicitors working for me. I have allowed her to “work for me” for a while now, and she genuinely enjoys it. In some ways, she’s practically a paralegal. She has been working alongside and shadowing the paralegals for around two years and does a lot of the filing and general office work.

But I would really like her to have a normal job for an 18 year old. Go and work in a supermarket, a café, retail anything like that. Even if she only did it for six months, I think she needs to experience what that kind of work is actually like.

I think we’ve given her far too much privilege, and now we’re seeing the consequences of that. She says that if I won’t let her work in my office for the year, then her dad will let her work with him. He’s an art dealer and runs auctions in London. It’s not Christie’s or Sothebys nothing like that it’s his own business.

The truth is, I feel like we’ve raised a brat, and I’m incredibly disappointed in myself.
She has never really had to work for anything. I pay her for the work she does at my office, and I even pay her above minimum wage for her age. When it came to her car, I told her she needed to save up for one herself. Instead, she went behind our backs and spoke to my husband’s parents, who then “gifted” her a relatively new Mini under ten years old for her 18th birthday.
I’m just so frustrated. Every time we’ve tried to put a boundary in place, she seems to find a way around it. My parents and my husband’s parents are all in their 80s. They don’t always know what goes on, and they would do absolutely anything for her. I’ve tried talking to my parents about it, but they just say, “She’s young.” My parents have more money than sense at this point. They’re retired and financially comfortable, so they feel they have nothing to lose by giving her things.

And it isn’t just our daughter. Our eldest son is at Edinburgh and is going into his final year. He’s doing very well academically and has had plenty of jobs, but they’ve all been “nice” jobs. I worry that we’ve sheltered both of them too much. I don’t want my children to suffer, but I do think there is value in being 18 or 21 and having to do a job that isn’t particularly glamorous.

Our son is 21 and has mostly worked in places like art galleries. He’s currently doing his internship in London at JPMorgan and his plan is to work there after graduation next summer. If that happens, he may never actually have had what I would consider a “normal” job for someone his age.

I never wanted my children to struggle unnecessarily. I wanted to give them opportunities and make sure they were comfortable. But now I’m wondering whether, in trying so hard to protect them from hardship, we’ve also protected them from learning what hard work, independence and consequences actually feel like.

Have we genuinely failed as parents. DH is much more blasé about it. Doesn’t think they need to work in a supermarket or just a customer service role to know what it is like to work for things.

OP posts:
itsgettingweird · 19/08/2026 07:45

She wants to be a solicitor or lawyer or barrister or similar.

Why would packing someone’s groceries in Asda be life experience for her with regards that? Especially when you can offer her relevant work experience whilst she applies to Cambridge to study law.

shes hardly expecting to get a PT waitressing role while you fund her lifestyle!

I think you’re over thinking it.

I think she sounds focussed and pretty great!

ThePM · 19/08/2026 07:44

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 07:31

I know 18 year olds who barely get out of bed. I know parents are worried as their children aren’t doing as well academically as they could or won’t get a job at all. Some parents are concerned their children can barely leave the house.

this parent is worried because their children won’t work in a cafe and volunteer?

Correct! OP knows that she isn’t really trying. Everyone knows it.

The fact some 18/19 year olds are depressed/addicted/in prison is neither here nor there really. This young woman has basically every privilege going and her parents are right to be disappointed that she has no intention of stretching herself.

MarthaLovesLaughing · 19/08/2026 07:43

PancakeCloud · 19/08/2026 07:15

I’m confused as to why she didn’t apply for her dream university just because the deadline was slightly earlier tbh.

Indeed. Very bizarre

TorroFerney · 19/08/2026 07:40

ThePM · 19/08/2026 07:21

You think she has done very little wrong? I beg to differ.

She obviously isn’t academically lazy we will give her that. However she has become an entitled, graceless and ultimately cowardly person. She is afraid to face life on anything except the easiest settings. She will never actually be able to say I did that fully by myself, because she will always want the financial and emotional safety net.

It’s one thing to work in Mum’s business, many of my nieces and nephews have done that, but at least they were public facing, had scheduled shifts and reported to the floor manager and not Mummy. This young woman is coasting, but it is the cowardice making her run away from proper work which would really tick me off.

A law firm is public facing though, that’s the point of it. I worked in one after a levels, it was the most depressing thing I’ve ever done and I come from quite a scummy background! I was exposed to a lot more than I was in my Saturday job working on the tills in marks and Spencer. The people who are awful customers in a shop become more awful when you are alone in an office with them.

why would she want to work in a supermarket when she can work in the job she wants to do. This view that you need to struggle to appreciate things I find is really odd. The old what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger bollocks.

3luckystars · 19/08/2026 07:35

Talk to your husband and ask him to support you. A marriage is like a cart with 2 horses , you need both pulling.

Tell your daughter that charity work is not ‘for free’ that the money she should be is earning is going to the charity. Arrange for her to go away abroad next summer if it’s important to you. Good luck.

cramptramp · 19/08/2026 07:34

I’d let her work for you but cut her pay to minimum wage and make her work very hard. Also, who is paying for fuel, tax, insurance for the car? That will be her responsibility right?

ShutupLwren · 19/08/2026 07:33

@ForJadeEagle Im in the opposite situation with one of my DC. I was a single mum for many years working NMW and I had tax credits top up. We used to go litter picking or we’d make sandwiches for the homeless. Not religious but I would help out at the church and take him with me. I tried instilling we may not have had much but we were lucky for what we had. And I believe that. When food banks became a thing we would collect for them. You get the picture, I wanted my son to never see himself as disadvantaged. Every way we could give back, we did.
So many shoebox appeals etc and now my son is very lovely but is terrible with money. Sees someone struggling with bus fare, he buys their ticket but will walk home himself. Someone asks for a drink or homeless person asks for money? It’s theirs, even though he hasn’t got it to be so generous with.
I don’t think I’ve given him any real desire to earn good money. He would rather do 50 hours a week in a badly paid job than just aim a bit higher and study for uni.
I never wanted him to feel disenfranchised that we were poor, that he had a teen single mum but it’s instead made him think that it wasn’t anywhere near as tough as it was because we helped others.
We do what we think is right when raising kids at the time and with the best will in the world we also just need to see how it plays out long term. My son has learning difficulties so struggles academically which is another added layer of stress for him, but he has no desire for extra tutoring etc, despite the offers. I’d love him to be a bit more interested in learning and having a career but time will tell, maybe he’ll develop that desire with age. He does at least work and it’s not easy for kids his age to find jobs so I am so proud of him. But I understand how you feel, I look back and wish I’d actually said to him that I didn’t want a life of being poor or getting by to be his goals, I just didn’t want him to be miserable about it either. I’ve tried now he’s older but it’s not really sinking in.

All we want is to not fuck up being a parent but no matter what you do, we almost always find a way to do it 😂

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 07:31

ThePM · 19/08/2026 07:21

You think she has done very little wrong? I beg to differ.

She obviously isn’t academically lazy we will give her that. However she has become an entitled, graceless and ultimately cowardly person. She is afraid to face life on anything except the easiest settings. She will never actually be able to say I did that fully by myself, because she will always want the financial and emotional safety net.

It’s one thing to work in Mum’s business, many of my nieces and nephews have done that, but at least they were public facing, had scheduled shifts and reported to the floor manager and not Mummy. This young woman is coasting, but it is the cowardice making her run away from proper work which would really tick me off.

I know 18 year olds who barely get out of bed. I know parents are worried as their children aren’t doing as well academically as they could or won’t get a job at all. Some parents are concerned their children can barely leave the house.

this parent is worried because their children won’t work in a cafe and volunteer?

NeededANameChangeAnyway · 19/08/2026 07:22

Most parents work hard to make sure their kids have it 'easier' than they did. I know I am!! So long as they are making an effort somewhere they feel us important then I think thats fine. Yes, they are probably a bit spoiled, perhaps what they have missed out on is the idea they might not get the job i.e. a genuine interview. Are they good in the workplace or do they swan around implying all this will one day be theirs....?

ThePM · 19/08/2026 07:21

Butchyrestingface · 19/08/2026 07:01

I'm sorry about what you experienced and the difficulties in having children - that was very sad. But I didn't suggest for a second that you didn't love your children, rather that you don't like your daughter. That has come across strongly to me in your initial post and subsequent ones.

If you don't go into the things you say she's said or done, then you are painting a very partial picture of her - one that doesn't really make sense in light of your initial post. She seems to have done very little wrong but nevertheless you aren't happy with her and how she's turning out. That doesn't bode well for your future relationship.

You think she has done very little wrong? I beg to differ.

She obviously isn’t academically lazy we will give her that. However she has become an entitled, graceless and ultimately cowardly person. She is afraid to face life on anything except the easiest settings. She will never actually be able to say I did that fully by myself, because she will always want the financial and emotional safety net.

It’s one thing to work in Mum’s business, many of my nieces and nephews have done that, but at least they were public facing, had scheduled shifts and reported to the floor manager and not Mummy. This young woman is coasting, but it is the cowardice making her run away from proper work which would really tick me off.

SixAndJuliet · 19/08/2026 07:20

I’d rather she worked for you than take a ‘low level’ job from someone who wouldn’t have the same options, advantages and finances just so she can pretend experience life without privilege.

It does have a very Pulp Common People vibe about this thread.

muststopscrolling · 19/08/2026 07:17

OP do you or your husbands contacts treat her any differently from the other youngsters you/they ‘employ’? I find this is what happens in the workplace friends/family connections that people are treated very differently.

You are incredibly lucky to have two very successful adult ‘children’. They will probably never encounter any hardship, and only socialise with similar backgrounds.

My personal opinion with volunteering is some do it for self gratification and not to actually ‘help’ the cause. You either sincerely and passionately want to be involved, or you do it to meet your own needs. I wouldn’t push the volunteering.

PancakeCloud · 19/08/2026 07:15

I’m confused as to why she didn’t apply for her dream university just because the deadline was slightly earlier tbh.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 07:07

This is a joke thread right?

you are complaining as your highly motivated, hard working and exceedingly academic daughter wants to work in a law firm in a job she enjoys and is good at rather than volunteer and work in a cafe? (Nothing wrong with those things but defo reads a bit ‘common people’ by pulp)

Butchyrestingface · 19/08/2026 07:03

ForJadeEagle · 19/08/2026 06:42

I do volunteer most weekends. DH would “never work for free” as he puts it. I do agree it’s our fault as parents.

So she's simply following the example set by her father?

Then the issue is surely with him, not your teenage daughter.

SallyRabbit · 19/08/2026 07:02

Your children are both doing well academically, both have ambition and both want to work in addition to that. I find it quite telling that you are also cross about your son working in art galleries and feel that’s somehow bad.

It’s as if you think they need to struggle to become full adults. But there will be enough struggles with studies, with going for ambitious degrees and internships etc. There’s no unique virtue in the struggle of working in more customer-facing jobs.

Truthfully, and this is a bit harsher than I try to be on here so I am sorry, your first post came across as quite weird, quite petty and quite resentful of your impressive kids.

Treesandflower · 19/08/2026 07:02

Did she not do a Duke of Edinburgh at school? Could she do silver now? (She is unlikely to have enough time to do gold before uni).

What about volunteering in a sport or hobby she is skilled at?

My son is volunteering at a sport for his bronze which starts next month, but he (and his younger siblings) train lower grades at a martial art unpaid. Although they not paid with money (they are pre teen), they are rewarded - communication skills, correcting adults and kids when they make a mistake, explaining clearly and concisely, the reward of watching others improve, giving feedback that is useful and in a manner where it is taken on board, testing in exams. They are respected amongst peers and have a great friendship group there. The lower grades adults ask them questions and they are asked to demonstrate to the class. They go an hour early to assist the youngest children once a week.

Can your husband genuinely not see this as a great skill set for kids? It’s unpaid so should they refuse? Where else would a child be able to stand and give feed back (with confidence) to adults and older kids? The adults have to take the kids years of experience on board because they are more skilled.

As a parent it keeps them fit, helps confidence, makes them proud of the years of training time they have put in. It meant at 7/8/9 they were training adults. And they have a group of friends outside of school, this could make all the difference if they have a rubbish month at school.

I can’t imagine saying no don’t do it unless the instructor pays you. I encouraged them to take the opportunity as not everyone is given it. It’s just a bit odd that your husband cannot see the benefit of volunteering.

Butchyrestingface · 19/08/2026 07:01

ForJadeEagle · 19/08/2026 06:29

Okay if that’s your take on it. I had 5 miscarriages when we were trying for children, we had to go through the IVF route and that wasn’t always successful. It was a journey and a half for us to even have children. I very much love my children and they know it perhaps we’ve just spoilt them. I’m not going to go into the things she’s said or done but even her school got touch in regards to some stuff she has previously said.

I'm sorry about what you experienced and the difficulties in having children - that was very sad. But I didn't suggest for a second that you didn't love your children, rather that you don't like your daughter. That has come across strongly to me in your initial post and subsequent ones.

If you don't go into the things you say she's said or done, then you are painting a very partial picture of her - one that doesn't really make sense in light of your initial post. She seems to have done very little wrong but nevertheless you aren't happy with her and how she's turning out. That doesn't bode well for your future relationship.

AdjectiveColourNoun · 19/08/2026 06:58

The job thing is a bit of a red herring. You are worried about her character and a random job isn’t going to change that. And very likely an Oxbridge degree and law career will only reinforce her sense of entitlement which I assume is at the root of her character. And I doubt JPM will do much better for your son in that regard. They will be surrounded by people like them. I think you just have to make peace with it.

MarilynMerlot · 19/08/2026 06:57

Why have the school contacted you about things shes said?

ForJadeEagle · 19/08/2026 06:50

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 19/08/2026 06:43

@ForJadeEagle

She and you would get much more"real life" experience volunteering some of you time instead of thinking your DD needs a "low pay job" to be a better person.

Edited: I had this window open for a while, so had missed all of these last posts by the OP. Your DH sounds like a large part of the problem. His "view" on never working for free sounds highly snobbish, snotty and cruel.
Not sure what to tell you. Sounds like being very well off has not instilled many decent qualities in your family (except you?).

Edited

I don’t think she needs a low paid job to be a better person but I do believe she needs varied experience and or volunteering which I believe would help.

OP posts:
MandemChickenShop · 19/08/2026 06:49

AI origin story for Pulps 'Common People'.

Load of cap.

ForJadeEagle · 19/08/2026 06:48

HewasH2O · 18/08/2026 22:59

Genuine Q. Do either of you actually need an 18 year old employee who will need to be trained and supervised for 12 months? Presumably you wouldn't be doing the training & supervision yourself, so that falls on someone else in your team & you're picking up the tab.

She spends quite a bit of time also shadowing me and watching what I do not exactly exciting. Now she’s able to do some tasks for us unsupervised, she’s not handling cases on her own she’s not a solicitor but sometimes other solicitors ask for her to shadow them etc no one is being forced to look after my daughter.

The paralegals are young early 20s it’s an apprenticeship we pay for them to study law at university whilst working for us and earning money in turn coming out of university with no debt as the fees are paid by us.

OP posts:
Lentilcakes · 19/08/2026 06:44

Working in a solicitors and having an internship at JPMorgan will be much better for their career prospects when they graduate so i wouldn’t get hung up on that. The job market is brutal.

DS has just graduated and we arranged a really good (but short) work experience for him through a friend of ours where he’ll meet industry experts. He never would’ve got that in a million years without the contact. DD is still working customer service post-uni but in a sector she’s really passionate about so I’m hoping that will be her ‘career’ - it’s niche so she is now sought after in that industry. She could go in to management eventually- she’s got good ideas (because she’s clever and working way below her abilities atm - it’s her choice though).

its the grandparents re the car. I’d be annoyed about

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 19/08/2026 06:43

@ForJadeEagle

She and you would get much more"real life" experience volunteering some of you time instead of thinking your DD needs a "low pay job" to be a better person.

Edited: I had this window open for a while, so had missed all of these last posts by the OP. Your DH sounds like a large part of the problem. His "view" on never working for free sounds highly snobbish, snotty and cruel.
Not sure what to tell you. Sounds like being very well off has not instilled many decent qualities in your family (except you?).

Swipe left for the next trending thread