AIBU to think dogs should be muzzled in public now?

May I muzzle the dog that keeps barking at 11pm most nights?

Mumsnet loves to talk about blanket measures.

I bet mumsnetters wish they could muzzle children in public too. Use dummies, sellotape, or face masks, or whatever it takes to silence the little shits (the last pair of words being Mumsnet’s words, not mine).

The common denominator is humans and specifically men, they own and train dogs usually the ones in these scenarios. Men also rape, abuse, steal, con, and kill in proportionally large number, they instigate wars( usually) ..our prisons are busting at the seams, to the point they have decided to let some out, because of overcrowding.
Maybe we need to start early, restrictions on boys before they become men to prevent behavioural problems? Ridiculous? Yes, of course, but ultimately humans makes reasoned choices, dogs can do what comes as instinctive behaviour even well trained can revert to breed traits in the right circumstances.
Muzzling every dog because 'Ryan' has decided his status dog needs to protect him from local drug dealers is the wrong end of the lead.
It far easier to say dogs should be restricted but ultimately its a human at the end of the lead.
Some dogs are reactive either human or animal, good owners manage their dogs behaviour. We already have laws around human breaking laws, we have laws around 'dangerous dogs'. We can't stop humans misbehaving, they know what's illegal, dogs don't know the laws.

You would say that.

No I think that goes too far but do agree with a lot of what you say. I mean does a cavapoo really need a muzzle?

However, I think all dogs unless in a designated dog area should be on a lead. I have a dog and am sick of dogs off leads who are ‘friendly’.

Maybe I don’t want your dog around me, or ‘playing’ with my dog, or jumping up on me.

Dogs on leads. If dog is off lead - fine/penalty. If dog attacks then criminal liability for the owner.

My staffy cross was attacked by a cockerpoo. It was a vicious little fucker.

That’s quite bizarre. Are you all so irresponsible that you need a wall to keep your pets away from others?

Agree. It’s the rule in several European countries, enforced to a greater or lesser extent, that dogs are muzzled on public transport (or carried in a carrier).

I also think it’s more likely to be enforced if it’s some places rather than everywhere. From memory examples from Europe include shared confined areas like lifts and shared spaces in apartment blocks, and around schools.

Shame on your vet for not keeping species separate. Ours has separate areas for cats and dogs at opposite sides of the room and they've built a low 'wall' with Kallax style units to limit visibility.

we should ban cars, that'd stop car deaths too

yabu - the majority of dogs are pussy cats (so to speak)

there are def a number of out of control dogs (nearly always because of out of control owners) - they should be muzzled. German shepherds. XL bullies those sorts.

But surely not the teddy bear poos?

Dog attacks are proportionally very low. Employing people to enforce it would not be worth the investment. I prefer money goes into reducing teenage attacks.

Or as it is usually men, perhaps we need to think about restricting their movements. If they are as unpredictable and not capable of their reactions, as the courts would have us believe, especially in older rape cases, we really need to put them under control.

Dogs should just be banned, it would prevent all these deaths. We banned gun ownership for far fewer deaths.

Exactly. On op’s argument humans should all be muzzled.

I wouldn’t and it wouldn’t work anyway

The owner has been charged with murder. This seems to have started as a fight between the two men. There were witnesses who said their was arguing before the attack. My well trained German shepherd would have attacked, if someone threw a punch at me, so as if yet, we don't know if it was instinctive or the dog has been used as a weapon. You can't have a fight and the dog not get involved, though.

Wise up.

Completely unreasonable. It’s dog ownership that needs to be regulated and improved. There’s no way I am muzzling my harmless Labrador just because people who are scared of dogs get paranoid. I am a responsible owner and my dog is well trained, why should he and other trained dogs suffer? My dog is not reactive.

I think they should be muzzled on public transport. There was a staff on a packed tube train today, obviously distressed. It upsets me that owners put it in that position.

What abput cows, they kill more people than dogs in the uk. Yet another knee jerk recation to media sensationalism

More people have been damaged by humans! Should they be chained up? It's hard enough for some breeds and they'd hate wearing a muzzle, plus then they can't protect us from humans.
A cyclist knocked over an old women. Ban bikes?
A kid on a scooter hurt someone. A kid ran into someone. Teenagers left BBQs and needles on the beach.
Ridiculous idea when dogs cause hardly any damage compared to humans.
When a young child or dog harms someone, the blame should be on the adult supposed to be looking after them.

Do you think that the people you are referring to would comply?

This exact thread was done a few weeks ago and the answers haven’t changed since then. No, all dogs shouldn’t be muzzled in public.

In this particular case though, the man has been arrested in suspicion of murder, as well as having a dangerously out of control dog. So it sounds like he has deliberately set the dog on his victim. Not sure how having all dogs muzzled is going to prevent that? And German Shepherds are not inherently aggressive, so it sounds like this particular one may have been trained to attack