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To resent carrying all of the mental load of catering for DSD's dietary requirements

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orangefoxsoda · 16/08/2026 14:50

This probably sounds awful but hear me out. DSD7 is with us full time for the summer. She lives abroad with her mum and her school dates are different, so she's with us for about another month. DP ex is a different religion to us, DP converted while married to her so is technically the same religion, but doesn't practice.

DSD doesn't eat certain foods while with DP ex for religious reasons. She also doesn't eat certain combinations of foods together. DP ex has always wanted us to stick to these dietary requirements when she's with us, which of course I respect.

DP takes zero responsibility for mealtimes when DSD is here. He will occasionally cook for the kids when she's not here, but when she is he expects me to take on the mental load of planning things she can eat and our other kids will also eat. DDs are fussy eaters and a lot of the meals they will happily eat are things DSD can't, and aren't easy to adapt without having to make two separate meals. DSD is very overweight currently so I don't want to just put a ready meal in front of her, which DP would do most nights if I didn't cook.

AIBU to want him to take more responsibility? He has actually followed this diet so has a better idea of what to feed her than I do anyway.

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Schoolchoicesucks · 19/08/2026 08:06

Your DH should definitely at least be sharing the responsibility for meal planning.

For the DSD my suggestion would be alternating days as meat and dairy.

The meat days can be things like roast, burger, stir fry, spag bol etc. The veggie days if your other kids won't eat without meat then cook some meat separately to the main dish and stir in once you've taken DSD's portion out or serve it on the side (this is what I do as only veggie in the house).

Dilbertian · 19/08/2026 07:30

grinandslothit · 19/08/2026 05:27

The wait between meat and dairy was basically an ancient food safety rule. Without fridges, mixing them could mess with your stomach or make you sick, so they built in a long pause to let everything digest. Wrapping it in religious rules just made sure people actually took it seriously

Rubbish.

grinandslothit · 19/08/2026 05:27

SethTrek · 18/08/2026 07:53

Oh I hadn't clicked that was what was behind some of the diet restrictions. OK I understand not eating pork, because of the possibility of a worm if not handled correctly. And I get that shellfish can be a bit dicey, especially if time has passed since they were caught to transport them inland. But how is separating eating dairy and meat protective from illness? Or not eating beef? (again not thinking about any specific religion)

The wait between meat and dairy was basically an ancient food safety rule. Without fridges, mixing them could mess with your stomach or make you sick, so they built in a long pause to let everything digest. Wrapping it in religious rules just made sure people actually took it seriously

Badsox · 18/08/2026 19:58

There are multiple dynamics at play with this situation and OP cannot fulfil the demands of them all, nor should she have too! It all has little to do with her being more or less supportive of DSD's Judaism and more about OP's partner not pulling his weight and supporting his daughter.
Her DSD's Kosher diet is not actually Kosher, but restrictive enough to cause planning and dietary issues. Her husbands ex is demanding adherence and she is trying her best to please her at the same time as their her fussy eater children with very little support from her partner.
She is not being unreasonable to expect support with the extra work the dietary requirements entail. She is doing her best and her DSD is no less Jewish for her efforts.

deepseaargyllfish · 18/08/2026 18:39

NavyBee · 18/08/2026 01:56

Disrespectful to describe religious dietary restrictions this way! And unreasonable - it would be horribly stressful for DSD to be repeatedly offered food she knows she shouldn’t eat - and likely she would end up not visiting if her mother knows this is what is happening - unfair to her and her father. I agree it is super annoying that DH will not help with the meal planning or cooking. I think the only way to make it a bit easier on yourself is to design a full meal plan for the remaining time which includes at least one day a week when the evening meal is a takeaway where there are varied options to suit the restrictions or DSD is given a ready meal.

So you’re expecting the @orangefoxsoda to “design a full meal plan”?

It’s as though you think working mums aren’t busy enough as it is, in the summer holidays.

If someone told me to “design a full meal plan”, then shop for it, then cook it, in the middle of the summer holiday, I would tell ask that person if they were taking the piss. Then tell them to do one.

LeopardStar1 · 18/08/2026 09:50

I'm guessing either Muslim or Jewish. I live with my Muslim partner. It's not that difficult. Check there is no pork in the food and no alcohol. Job done. Unless they insist everything has to be halal / kosher then that can be difficult.

Dilbertian · 18/08/2026 08:30

SethTrek · 18/08/2026 07:53

Oh I hadn't clicked that was what was behind some of the diet restrictions. OK I understand not eating pork, because of the possibility of a worm if not handled correctly. And I get that shellfish can be a bit dicey, especially if time has passed since they were caught to transport them inland. But how is separating eating dairy and meat protective from illness? Or not eating beef? (again not thinking about any specific religion)

And I wish that people who do not have a deep understanding of Judaism would stop presuming to explain it away. If you want to do that, start your own thread in Philosophy and Religion. This is not the thread for it. This thread is about supporting a poster with a complicated family dynamic which just happens to involve a religion.

Dilbertian · 18/08/2026 08:24

This is not about religion. The religion is a red herring. This is about family dynamics.

SethTrek · 18/08/2026 07:53

grinandslothit · 17/08/2026 22:36

I wish people would understand the reasons they had those things thousands and years ago it was because of health and sanitation.

People would get food poisoning and parasites. There was no modern medicine. There were no modern sanitation standards. Nobody had a high-end fridge where they could keep things frozen lol. things went off. people got sick and died people getting sick and dying weakened the tribe with less people there was less protection from attacks by others. That really is all there was to it so they made up these rules 🤦🏽

Oh I hadn't clicked that was what was behind some of the diet restrictions. OK I understand not eating pork, because of the possibility of a worm if not handled correctly. And I get that shellfish can be a bit dicey, especially if time has passed since they were caught to transport them inland. But how is separating eating dairy and meat protective from illness? Or not eating beef? (again not thinking about any specific religion)

GrandmasCat · 18/08/2026 07:36

GoldenGail · 17/08/2026 18:22

The child is jewish because she was born to a jewish mother and its nothing to do with the dad

The dad chose to have a relationship and a child with a Jewish woman. We cannot say it’s nothing to do with him.

NavyBee · 18/08/2026 01:56

deepseaargyllfish · 16/08/2026 16:55

I absolutely couldn’t be arsed with this, and neither should you. If she can’t or won’t eat what your own DC are having, it’s beans on toast, irrespective of what the mother would say (‘we don’t observe that diet so she had to fall in with us while she was here’),

Why have her religious fads become your problem?

Its another long (and potentially expensive) month of ball ache, if you don’t nip this in the bud right now.

The only other way is for DP to step up and sort it all out, but it sounds like this isnt going to happen.

Disrespectful to describe religious dietary restrictions this way! And unreasonable - it would be horribly stressful for DSD to be repeatedly offered food she knows she shouldn’t eat - and likely she would end up not visiting if her mother knows this is what is happening - unfair to her and her father. I agree it is super annoying that DH will not help with the meal planning or cooking. I think the only way to make it a bit easier on yourself is to design a full meal plan for the remaining time which includes at least one day a week when the evening meal is a takeaway where there are varied options to suit the restrictions or DSD is given a ready meal.

Blondeshavemorefun · 18/08/2026 00:58

What ready meals would her dad give her ?

why have to wait 6hrs after eating meat to add dairy - is that part of the religion

so some days can eat meat ?

and why are you sorting this out and dh not helping

Joliefolie · 17/08/2026 23:48

It's not difficult to make meals that suit the child's religious rules as well as her preferences if the kid is just there on her own. It is difficult for the OP to do that whilst also accommodating her own children's dietary requirements and also being conscious of not making the visiting child feel upset. This is why the DP - who is not Jewish by birth and who has decided he's no longer Jewish having once converted but is now opting out - needs to at the very least step up and join in with his Jewish daughter's religious dietary requirements so that she doesn't feel like an outcast and, better, stop expecting the OP to do all the cooking for everyone all week.

Sulgari · 17/08/2026 23:08

I’m really shocked about the dismissiveness and disrespect of religious dietary requirements on here.

You don’t need to believe it matters. But people do, and it wouldn’t cross my mind to mock it, although I myself am not religious,

this is a child. Fuck sake, it’s not difficult to make meals to suit

WoollyandSarah · 17/08/2026 22:39

grinandslothit · 17/08/2026 22:36

I wish people would understand the reasons they had those things thousands and years ago it was because of health and sanitation.

People would get food poisoning and parasites. There was no modern medicine. There were no modern sanitation standards. Nobody had a high-end fridge where they could keep things frozen lol. things went off. people got sick and died people getting sick and dying weakened the tribe with less people there was less protection from attacks by others. That really is all there was to it so they made up these rules 🤦🏽

Where are you going with this? That we should carry on with the rules, or it's very much optional now, as people aren't dying of mixing milk and meat?

grinandslothit · 17/08/2026 22:36

SethTrek · 17/08/2026 07:11

This will bells on. I can't get my head around people being controlled to the extent of what they can eat and when; which body parts they chop off, or hide; rules around sex and contraception... I'm not singling out any one religion, they're all bonkers. A sky fairy and some long dead men having an opinion on my hair, diet and pregnancies. Nope. You wouldn't accept this level of control from another person, it's abusive. Why do people brainwash their kids with it?

I wish people would understand the reasons they had those things thousands and years ago it was because of health and sanitation.

People would get food poisoning and parasites. There was no modern medicine. There were no modern sanitation standards. Nobody had a high-end fridge where they could keep things frozen lol. things went off. people got sick and died people getting sick and dying weakened the tribe with less people there was less protection from attacks by others. That really is all there was to it so they made up these rules 🤦🏽

Dilbertian · 17/08/2026 20:32

GoldenGail · 17/08/2026 18:20

No meat with dairy

It’s unreasonable to expect the non-Jewish stepmother to live a kosher life for her DSD. Especially as the mother does not appear to be bothered about her daughter eating in a non-kosher kitchen, on dishes also used for non-kosher food.

Having kosher options available alongside other options, so that the all the children can choose what they can/will eat, is reasonable.

MandSJaffaCakesRule · 17/08/2026 20:03

If the DSD isn't a fussy eater, then can you just give her meat substitutes instead of meat? My daughter was vegetarian for many years and the meat substitutes are amazing these days. Then you don't need to worry about the meat and dairy thing.

But you definitely have a DH problem here, rather than a meal planning one. Tell him if he doesn't parent his child properly, she can no longer stay.

I'm assuming you're parenting her most of the time too along with your and his other children?

Holdinguphalfthesky · 17/08/2026 19:29

GoldenGail · 17/08/2026 18:20

No meat with dairy

But if the meat and cheese are separately available for people to add their own, it works. Each person can choose one, both, or neither to add to their meal.

GoldenGail · 17/08/2026 18:22

Catwalking · 16/08/2026 16:33

Though in your OP you state that “DP converted while married to her so is technically the same religion” so not ‘born into’?
If DP would ‘only’ feed his DD ready meals, why d’you need to worry what you put in front of her?

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The child is jewish because she was born to a jewish mother and its nothing to do with the dad

independentfriend · 17/08/2026 18:21

I would ask your husband to talk to the Rabbis at the Shul they go to, you won't be the first family in these circumstances or equivalent ones (ie. catering for elderly relatives who are more observant).

I suspect they can help come up with meal ideas that are reasonably familiar to everyone else.

Different branches of Judaism have different interpretations of the rules and some of the rules are family customs. Worth trying to talk to a Rabbi type about the extent to which your household can develop its own customs separate to her mum's customs. I'm pretty sure once she's 12/13 and is a religious adult there's room for that. Not sure what the thinking is with a child in a non practising household.

Would also suggest going with your stepdaugher to a supermarket with a big kosher section / a kosher shop to see if you can find any of her favourites.

I read good things about the double wrapped kosher meals made for airlines - whilst I understand not wanting to rely on that kind of pre-packaged food all the time it would give you some breathing space with an emergency meal or two.

No, this shouldn't be just for you to figure out without your husband's input - he should know something about the dietary rules already and be able to contribute to the meal planning and cooking.

GoldenGail · 17/08/2026 18:20

Holdinguphalfthesky · 16/08/2026 15:45

  1. yes , your husband is horrifically lazy at parenting
  2. pasta with things to add: a tomato sauce, some tinned tuna, cooked chicken, or cooked minced beef, peas, tinned or cob sweetcorn, cheese.
  3. picnic style meals with flatbreads, hummus, salad items
  4. build your own wrap meals, Mexican style, make a simple vegan bean chilli and have meat, cheese, guacamole on the side for people to add.
  5. make your own pizzas

you see where I’d go with this food issue. But fundamentally your husband is massively taking the piss.

No meat with dairy

Livpool · 17/08/2026 14:39

Bridesmaidorexfriend · 17/08/2026 13:54

Yes, I also do not follow a religion and don’t believe in any of it, but I 100% believe in religious freedom and if a child that I am responsible for is part of a religion then I’m going to respect that. The same way I would expect a religious person to respect that I won’t be following their religious practices.

A 7 year old is unable to manage this themselves and so if I force them to follow a diet that’s not in line with their religious practices then I’m in no doubt this may cause upset and angst for them. I think it would he really disgusting to not respect their religious identity.

If you ever asked to look after a child and won’t meet their religious dietary needs then do them a favour and just tell their parents you’re not willing to follow a basic level of decency so that they can not leave their child with you

I would stick to their requirements as much as I could, I just couldn’t be bothered about keeping a kosher kitchen. If I was OP I would probably just go meat free while the DSD is there, but see she has obstacles for this.

My little rant was more about the issue of religion generally sorry, seems like various rules for nothing, but that’s my view. People can follow whatever rules they like, and I would respect them as much as I could. I just think it is a load of nonsense.

Bridesmaidorexfriend · 17/08/2026 13:54

Livpool · 17/08/2026 13:24

Why? Her soul isn’t going to be tainted. I wouldn’t feed a Jewish person pork, I don’t eat it myself but if eaten nothing would happen. I believe Judaism is relatively relaxed about not sticking to the rules in an emergency or if you don’t know.

I get this might make people mad but it is just a load of made up nonsense. I wouldn’t be eating certain food based on what some old men said thousands of years ago.

Yes, I also do not follow a religion and don’t believe in any of it, but I 100% believe in religious freedom and if a child that I am responsible for is part of a religion then I’m going to respect that. The same way I would expect a religious person to respect that I won’t be following their religious practices.

A 7 year old is unable to manage this themselves and so if I force them to follow a diet that’s not in line with their religious practices then I’m in no doubt this may cause upset and angst for them. I think it would he really disgusting to not respect their religious identity.

If you ever asked to look after a child and won’t meet their religious dietary needs then do them a favour and just tell their parents you’re not willing to follow a basic level of decency so that they can not leave their child with you

Millytante · 17/08/2026 13:32

BlackRowan · 17/08/2026 09:05

You don’t need milk to make scrambled egg

Maybe this is one of those who count eggs as dairy. My sis in law used to, when she eschewed milk and cream (except when in chocolates). 🙄