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To think climate change will force a complete rethinking about immigration?

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OneMoreBanana · 13/08/2026 10:07

I'm not sure how many people, on the ground or in government policy making, have connected the dots here.

The climate crisis disproportionately affects the global south, where average temperatures are hotter, infrastructure less developed and available economic resources for mitigation lower. This is already making life in some areas, that have previously supported human communities for thousands of years, near impossible. There is talk of whole cities having to be abandoned.

The same crisis is primarily created by the industrialised countries of the global north, whose per capita emissions far outweigh those of less industrialised countries.

So if/when the large scale exodus of millions of people from no-longer-habitable environments becomes inevitable, two questions arise: Is it MORAL to disallow those people asylum in countries like the UK? And is it PRACTICABLE to do so - when the "small boats" issue becomes an increasingly large number of increasingly large boats, do we literally just view it as warfare and gun them down, or what?

These questions apply regardless of how you feel about immigration currently. If you are a hardline Brexiteer or otherwise strongly for controlling and reducing immigration, can you see a point in the future where it will no longer be tenable, either morally or practically, to maintain that position? And if you are liberal on immigration, can you see a point where having to be even more liberal will mean letting go altogether of many aspects of the UK's (and other countries') "identity"?

Interested in a range of perspectives - I think there's a whole bunch of sacred cows that may end up slaughtered by this. However if you believe that climate change either isn't happening or isn't due to human activity, please just jog on past and grow a brain cell or two. Life is too short.

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 13/08/2026 11:18

No. Not at all. It has made it worse, there is a lot worse to come.
I am dreading the longterm consequences of this mass immigration policy.
The birth rates reduced all over Europe but other cultures have babies until they can’t have anymore.
It was pointless.
Until the world works together, it’s a waste of time.

angelos02 · 13/08/2026 11:15

The bottom line is - there are too many people. 100 years ago, the global population was about 1 billion. It is now over 8 billion. All of those people need a home, water, food etc, just the basics, then add in the extras like cars, flights etc. The UK alone is cementing over green land to house people. The answer is staring us in the face. And no, I don't have children. Obviously.

Boxiboxi21 · 13/08/2026 11:06

This is why overseas development aid is important. If poorer countries are given the means to mitigate or deal with the worst effects of climate change, they won't be forced to move elsewhere (i.e. here).

Slightyamusedandsilly · 13/08/2026 11:06

I've been saying exactly this for a couple of years @OneMoreBanana. It's inevitable. And we will STILL want to push them back without any understanding.

I'm glad to be older. The world is gradually ending and we're pretending it isn't happening.

Dutch1e · 13/08/2026 10:56

floppybit · 13/08/2026 10:37

Europe is heating up faster than any other continent on the planet, and we are not acclimatised or set up to deal with it. Emptying millions of Africans into Europe is not the answer, neither is going backwards to live like cavemen. The problem is poverty. They can cope with extreme temperatures in the Middle East because they are wealthy. I hope we can make great progress in nuclear technology and reach a point where countries globally are able to have affordable modular nuclear power plants and abundant energy.

Europe is heating up faster than any other continent on the planet

I read this too and I'm not convinced. I think that Europe is the continent most likely to efficiently track data and to publish it promptly.

Personally I think the global picture is much more bleak, as demonstrated by the fact that the only region heating up faster than Europe is the Arctic.

Goingmadddd · 13/08/2026 10:55

I voted for Brexit. One of the main reasons was immigration because we seem to forget we live on an island.

It’s funny because people call that racist. What I think is racist is when people here think we don’t have to have enough food to feed ourselves because we should just take it from where? Another country? Can they feed themselves? Are we expecting them to plan for not only their own country but ours too?

And why is that? Because we have more money? Because we are British and so take what we want?

So for that reason we need to have a serious discussion about the carrying capacity of Britain. And we must keep our population including immigration within those levels.

And that’s harsh as you say people will die. If we don’t do it - we will die too.

OneMoreBanana · 13/08/2026 10:50

SadiraOfTyr · 13/08/2026 10:34

Greece and Turkey have hard borders which have reduced irregular migration to almost zero. Spain and Italy are going the same way. Denmark and Sweden have done the same.

You don't need to shoot people to impose hard borders - you just don't let them in, and the ones who do get in you immediately return to their starting point, country of origin, or a 3rd country.

The USSR shot people who were trying to leave, not get in.

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Greece recorded 48,298 irregular refugee and migrant arrivals in 2025, which represents a 21% decrease compared to the 60,886 arrivals documented in 2024.

I don't know if that's what you meant by "almost zero". If those numbers were increased 100 or 1,000 fold (Greece being at the European edge of one of the most climate-prone regions of the world) they certainly wouldn't be perceived as such.

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EmmaOvary · 13/08/2026 10:50

This thread is ignoring the effect of rising sea levels on a small island nation…

ginasevern · 13/08/2026 10:50

SandDunesAndGorse · 13/08/2026 10:42

The climate emergency is a global disaster.

I quite agree. I was replying to another poster and should've perhaps worded my response slightly differently.

JuliettaCaeser · 13/08/2026 10:49

Eventually the right will get in and we will have to become a fortress country. It won’t be pretty.

frozendaisy · 13/08/2026 10:48

BMW58 · 13/08/2026 10:33

The way it's going I can imagine lots of people in southern Europe migrating further north.......

Which many can legally if part of EU from Portugal to Sweden for example.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 13/08/2026 10:47

OneMoreBanana · 13/08/2026 10:44

Immigration control is a notoriously imperfect art, which is why illegal immigrants exist at all. It's just not practically or financially realistic to monitor EVERY possible route into the country, with 100% effectiveness 24 hours a day 364 days a year. (I mentioned small boats, but there are of course other routes as well - are they going to slowly, carefully inspect EVERY SINGLE vehicle crossing the border, rather than just, as now, a random sample and those they have reason to be suspicious of?)

And then there's enforcement. Suppose for the sake of argument the government finds the money to construct and man a "hard border" around the entirety of the UK, withdraws from international asylum commitments and only allows entry to those with the legal right to enter. Thousands of people keep crossing the channel in boat after boat anyway, for the simple reason that they're desperate. Is it then just a simple question of shooting them and letting them drown? Are there no public relations implications to that, when those people are arriving due to a climate catastrophe we have created and they are suffering?

I think once civilisation unravels to the point of anarchy, as people battle for resources, life will become dispensable I’m afraid. The only reason anyone is now civilised is because there was enough to go round.

EasternStandard · 13/08/2026 10:46

OneMoreBanana · 13/08/2026 10:44

Immigration control is a notoriously imperfect art, which is why illegal immigrants exist at all. It's just not practically or financially realistic to monitor EVERY possible route into the country, with 100% effectiveness 24 hours a day 364 days a year. (I mentioned small boats, but there are of course other routes as well - are they going to slowly, carefully inspect EVERY SINGLE vehicle crossing the border, rather than just, as now, a random sample and those they have reason to be suspicious of?)

And then there's enforcement. Suppose for the sake of argument the government finds the money to construct and man a "hard border" around the entirety of the UK, withdraws from international asylum commitments and only allows entry to those with the legal right to enter. Thousands of people keep crossing the channel in boat after boat anyway, for the simple reason that they're desperate. Is it then just a simple question of shooting them and letting them drown? Are there no public relations implications to that, when those people are arriving due to a climate catastrophe we have created and they are suffering?

Ceuta is a good example on this, it is possible to put a hard border up and Spain is ok with it.

EasternStandard · 13/08/2026 10:45

Not sure so reading replies to get views.

I did just wonder how African countries deal with drought and was led to aquifers, which help somewhat.

https://www.preventionweb.net/news/africas-aquifers-hold-more-20-times-water-stored-continents-lakes-they-arent-answer-water

OneMoreBanana · 13/08/2026 10:44

SadiraOfTyr · 13/08/2026 10:27

No, I think hard borders would be imposed (as they pretty much are already). I imagine Spain will abandon Ceuta and Melilla within the next 25 years or so as they become increasingly unsustainable and a security risk.

Famine-driven migration is very different from economic migration - people who are penniless and starving generally don't have the means to pay people smugglers.

Immigration control is a notoriously imperfect art, which is why illegal immigrants exist at all. It's just not practically or financially realistic to monitor EVERY possible route into the country, with 100% effectiveness 24 hours a day 364 days a year. (I mentioned small boats, but there are of course other routes as well - are they going to slowly, carefully inspect EVERY SINGLE vehicle crossing the border, rather than just, as now, a random sample and those they have reason to be suspicious of?)

And then there's enforcement. Suppose for the sake of argument the government finds the money to construct and man a "hard border" around the entirety of the UK, withdraws from international asylum commitments and only allows entry to those with the legal right to enter. Thousands of people keep crossing the channel in boat after boat anyway, for the simple reason that they're desperate. Is it then just a simple question of shooting them and letting them drown? Are there no public relations implications to that, when those people are arriving due to a climate catastrophe we have created and they are suffering?

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Treetreetreetree · 13/08/2026 10:44

Yep. Some areas are close to being unliveable.
Central London is full of the rich from the Middle East. People can’t manage in this heat.
Parts of India are already on the brink of being abandoned.

SandDunesAndGorse · 13/08/2026 10:42

ginasevern · 13/08/2026 10:25

If climate change becomes a global disaster and countries are facing water bankruptcy, then hard closing of borders won't last long and will descend into mass bloodshed and anarchy.

The climate emergency is a global disaster.

Wednesdaysotherchild · 13/08/2026 10:39

I think there will be gunboats in the Channel, not happy about it but when it comes down to survival & resources our species gets ruthless.

floppybit · 13/08/2026 10:37

Europe is heating up faster than any other continent on the planet, and we are not acclimatised or set up to deal with it. Emptying millions of Africans into Europe is not the answer, neither is going backwards to live like cavemen. The problem is poverty. They can cope with extreme temperatures in the Middle East because they are wealthy. I hope we can make great progress in nuclear technology and reach a point where countries globally are able to have affordable modular nuclear power plants and abundant energy.

IlikethoseBalenciagas · 13/08/2026 10:36

"I'm not sure how many people, on the ground or in government policy making, have connected the dots here."

They all know it. I'm a civilian (uneducated lone parent) and even I know this. Heaven knows what they're planning / can do about it though.

SadiraOfTyr · 13/08/2026 10:34

Kepler22B · 13/08/2026 10:30

Hard boarders are not imposed at the moment. We don’t have the navy shooting illegal immigrants. That is what I meant by hard boarders - this USSR style boarder control..

Greece and Turkey have hard borders which have reduced irregular migration to almost zero. Spain and Italy are going the same way. Denmark and Sweden have done the same.

You don't need to shoot people to impose hard borders - you just don't let them in, and the ones who do get in you immediately return to their starting point, country of origin, or a 3rd country.

The USSR shot people who were trying to leave, not get in.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 13/08/2026 10:34

There are multiple catastrophes happening simultaneously. We are technologically on the precipice of mass unemployment whilst in a timeframe of active climate change and resource scarcity. The people at the top are anticipating a lot of death of the people at the bottom and are hoping that will help with the resource burden. That’s why they are doing absolutely nothing about migration and not too much about the climate, as the hope is one will cancel out the other. I fully expect another man-made pandemic will be unleashed and that will wipe out the vulnerable as they are too expensive to care for and will help with the Eugenics problem.

BMW58 · 13/08/2026 10:33

The way it's going I can imagine lots of people in southern Europe migrating further north.......

Kepler22B · 13/08/2026 10:30

SadiraOfTyr · 13/08/2026 10:27

No, I think hard borders would be imposed (as they pretty much are already). I imagine Spain will abandon Ceuta and Melilla within the next 25 years or so as they become increasingly unsustainable and a security risk.

Famine-driven migration is very different from economic migration - people who are penniless and starving generally don't have the means to pay people smugglers.

Hard boarders are not imposed at the moment. We don’t have the navy shooting illegal immigrants. That is what I meant by hard boarders - this USSR style boarder control..

SadiraOfTyr · 13/08/2026 10:30

HoppityBun · 13/08/2026 10:26

I think it will cause resentment within the UK. When you bear in mind that Wales is experiencing a drought, a quite extraordinary state of affairs, there’s definitely going to be resentment about water resources in one area being piped to another. I know that there is bad feeling about this in certain parts of the country already.

There are going to be people who are moving away from hot areas to cooler areas, either permanently or for the summer season. I already know of people who are moving away from the hot south and east for a few weeks. This isn’t going to go unnoticed in the area they travel to. It’s going to be climate tourism..

Water resources from one area aren't piped to another though. We don't have a water national grid. Each water company is completely isolated - by geography more than anything else: they are defined by river catchments as water doesn't flow uphill.

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