To think climate change will force a complete rethinking about immigration?

There’ll be lower tax income anyway as AI picks up work, unless we tax that instead.

But where do you see the population over the next few decades in the U.K., does it just keep going up?

I've been thinking exactly the same recently about the effects on food security and also the movement northwards of desperate populations. I remembered a dramatised tv programme on the BBC maybe in the 90"s and the refugees were stating "we want what you've got" ... I can't remember the name of the programme. But why wouldn't it happen?

The powers that be want to replace the ageing C1/C2 lower middle class, most of whom are white, own a modest house and are or are going to be living off the state pension plus a bit extra.

Not a single migrant is entering the EU to get out of the weather. What an odd premise.

People who are sympathetic to asylum seekers will be accommodating to those forced to leave their homes due to climate change. Racists and xenophobes won't care what reason a displaced person has, they won't welcome them in. And there are fewer people coming in small boats, not more.

Water collected in Wales has been piped out since the late 19th century to places such as Liverpool and Birmingham. Have you never seen the aqueducts?

I personally think migration is inevitable and increasingly so. So for me the only option is to make immigration, as far as possible, beneficial. Because you can't stop it entirely, plus falling birth rates mean we need more people to uphold an ageing population which will result in fewer people in work and less tax income.

Having lost faith in our ability/willingness to really do much to prevent climate change I am living in hope that necessity will drive technological advancement that mitigates its brutal effects. And ideally, given our disproportionate responsibility for this crisis, richer countries would roll this technology out to poorer countries to prevent such extreme mass migration. But then again maybe we’ll just use the cash we could’ve used on that to build giant walls and install machine guns all along them because we are led by complete psychopaths… 🫤

So don’t borrow money?

Imagine a world without interest - lol sounds wonderful. I don’t have enough money to have spare earning interest. It does effect my mortgage though - a lot.

And growth - it doesn’t have to continue to grow if the population is falling. Maintaining the current economic size with a falling population would make us individually richer.

Yes we are axing food shortages given likely poor harvests . Yet UK population overtook that of France earlier this year.
France has around twice the land area.

TBF, we should be more worried by the coming water and food shortages, the rising sea level and flooding causing some areas of the UK to be uninhabitable and other such things....

I think this is the issue seldom mentioned.
huge increases in population particularly in vulnerable countries with drought , floods, extreme heat, no jobs.

I am not sure it follows. A country can decide to have a hardline immigration policy irrespective of push factors that will lead people to flee their homes. The main issue is political will.

IMHO they tend to obey the letter of the law and not the spirit, so still find ways to make money out of having money.

Most people don't want immigration unless it is very highly skilled. As for job gaps, ask the 1 million NEETs.

Oh god no

not another simple referendum on an extremely complex issue - not after last time

Maybe Muslims are right when it comes to interest.

Money is useful as a medium of exchange.
The problems start when it is used as a store of wealth. Hence the need for zero-interest money.

Why do we need money at all? Who has embedded this system whereby the majority are struggling to make ends meet and a small minority are holding all the power and living in luxury.

See James Lovelock. Rip

When is all this going to happen?

The answer is to help poorer countries develop so they can mitigate the effects of climate change. Net zero for the UK will only impoverish us and then the migrants will be just as poor here as at home.

Because money is lent into existence on the condition that it is repaid with interest. So growth is needed to generate the money to pay back the interest.

You could have zero economic growth in an economy where there was zero profit and money did not earn any interest.
There have been experiments done whereby money had negative interest, i.e. the longer you kept is the less it was worth, so the incentive was always to spend it all ASAP before it lost its value. Can't recall the outcome and can't be bothered to Google it now, but jut imagine a world where no money ever earned any interest.

@HoppityBun
j agree with the climate tourism. I can see fewer people heading south for summer holidays. Spoke to someone this week from Italy who has come here for a month., she says more people are doing this.
I also think larger numbers of people will migrate north due to increasing population, few opportunities and extreme heat and drought conditions.

I don’t think it’s just this, politicians need to to get close to pledges made.