To wonder what's happened to the NHS?

37 years as a senior clinician, I had to quit as the stress was literally killing me and I ended up being very unwell with cardiac issues. I was being managed by a 24 year old who was allegedly qualified as a HCP but didn't even know what MND was and had no clue about triaging.
Another manager was off sick for months then would come back for a couple of months and go off again. He was completely taking the piss.
Forever piling more on more on clinicians so that they can complete their masters modules and be seen to have "changed things".

From the website link provided:

”Is Funding Today The Same As The Original Bursary?
No, the new funding model pays less to Students than the one that was scrapped in 2015.”
It isn’t even half of the annual tuition fee.

I work in the NHS and second this.

@Blossomtoes, there is an issue thought. Whilst I have no issue with nurses from abroad, I have a significant issue with indigenous British nurses launching into diatribes about how lucky Brits are to get free covid jabs and other free treatments, when the foreign staff worry about their families overseas and sending money for them to pay for treatments. It's unsolicited information and it's tone deaf. Why do nurses think people get free NHS services, we don't. There seems to be a tremendous attitude problem.

We pay for the NHS through taxation. Overseas nations have different health systems and different levels of taxation.

This is why I insist on Choose & Book to my local private hospital, the care you get is five star, no waiting for meds or food, press your buzzer & it's like they were waiting outside the door for your call.

The nurses send money home to their families. It boosts the economy. £100 or $100 is worth far more there.

What do the Philippines get out of it?

I agree though with our Trust the lower-middle management work their arses off and it’s the higher management who are never visible and just seem
to be sat in meetings, looking at figures and making extremely poor decisions on a hefty salary.

I see various comments on sustaining life in the elderly. Care is rationed for the elderly - it doesn’t matter how healthy or active they were prior to a health issue, treatment is often denied because of age. My dad, 35 years older than me can manage much more in a week than I can. People I shopped for during lockdown can manage more than me. I am now a complex patient following all the health issues stemming from a covid infection. I’ve learned that there are a ridiculous number of pointless appointments that seem to serve no purpose or that nothing is done for even when diagnosed. A recent example is it took five separate appointments to get a specific blood test - urgently specified by the doctor at the walk in centre.

You may believe that if you wish. Shame.

Many, many years of Conservative government.

In the 1999–2000 period, the NHS bursary included dependants’ allowances, and the amount could increase according to the number and age of the dependants. This wasn’t simply a flat-rate payment for having children.
A 2000 House of Commons debate specifically records that nursing students could receive a dependants’ allowance of roughly £1,700–£3,000 per year, depending on the number and age of dependants. There was also a separate additional payment for single parents.
So, for example, a student nurse with several children could receive:

• their basic NHS bursary
• plus an allowance for their dependants
• with the dependant element increasing according to the number/ages of children
• and potentially a single-parent addition if applicable.

The above 👆 having benefited many nurses with children at the time, who did bring life experience into the role, and whom ended up contributing to years of work in the NHS,
some of them still working to this day. It enabled my own mother upward social mobility at the time and a rewarding, longstanding career. We simply don’t invest like that anymore, we just import.

I’ve just given you a link which proves you’re wrong. If your mum had £20k a year she was claiming benefits.

She was never receiving benefits I can assure you. You got more on the bursary for dependents which encouraged her and many other women to retrain as it was financially viable. If you are a student nurse and you cannot work 5k is an insult. My mum also didn’t need to pay 9k a year for the privilege of training. You certainly will not convince me this country has done enough to train people in this country. 5k a year when you’re on a 40 hour placement for many weeks of the academic year, is a complete piss take and you will not convince me otherwise.

It’s still a bursary. It’s exactly what it was before it was stopped, which was only for a year or so. It’s not intended to support dependents, it’s to compensate for student nurses’ inability to work.

Your mum was clearly receiving benefits as the bursary was never that high.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/1998-07-07/debates/2b3ea85c-dfa4-4b13-99e4-521e840115ce/StudentBursaries

5k a year? Lol. Hardly a bursary.

5k are you being serious? That is pathetic. My mum qualified as a nurse back in 1999, and with three dependents, received a bursary of around 18-20k each year. She also did NOT have to take a loan from student finance. I’m sorry but 5k can hardly be called a bursary. They really do earn that alone when on placement.

Yup.

https://www.nurses.co.uk/blog/career-development/do-student-nurses-get-nhs-bursary-how-you-can-apply-it

Really?

The NHS nursing bursary has been restored.

I’m sure. But not to the extent we now rely on foreign nurses. Removing the NHS bursary was disastrous for nurturing nurses of our own. It’s not pleasant or acceptable going to a British hospital and facing repeated language barriers when you’re vulnerable/in pain/elderly etc.

The Trust I worked for 20 odd years ago absolutely did.

And then claiming “oh but the NHS wouldn’t survive without foreign workers”. I really beg to differ. They have not invested in home grown training pathways. They cannot be arsed to fund it.
What did we do before mass immigration? The NHS had its golden era. We didn’t need to import nurses from the Philippines.

I do agree. Also, I know a few. They don’t feel like MH nurses, they feel like substance abuse nurses. Many of the individuals occupying inpatient beds are either people who have induced psychosis via ingesting large amounts of cocaine etc, or foreign men with incredibly severe trauma backgrounds.

Susan in the community is forgotten about, because she’s not a danger to the public. It’s a mess. Care in the community also has a lot to answer for.

Pathetic because our population increased at a rate, whereby local public services and the NHS were stretched beyond belief? And also particularly applicable in certain cities whereby they got “more than their fair share” dumped into concentrated areas?

Wow!

Pathetic indeed.