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Chefpig · 12/08/2026 22:36

I went for surgery this afternoon. Waited three hours in a waiting room because there were no beds available. Uncomfortable, especially with pain, but couldn't be helped.

I expressed a wish to the anaesthetist for GA after much trauma from a attempted and failed spinal anaesthetic in the past. Anaesthetist told me that a spinal would be much better for recovery and I should at least trust them and give it a go. Being brave and talked out of a GA, I gave it a go. It was horrific. I have a real issue with things being put where I can't see and it was painful, especially when the electric shocks (?) started on one of my legs. In tears, I asked for a GA. I was told it was very near to being ready and I agreed to keep going with the spinal but after the second electric shock and me in complete panic mode, I begged for a GA and the lovely, wonderful nurse who held me throughout was fierce with the anaesthetist and insisted she stop and give me a GA. That nurse was an absolute angel and held me throughout. I'm now in absolute agony with pain in my leg. Not my surgery site - that's fine!

Back on the ward in a single room, I was left for over two hours without being asked if I wanted drink and food. I eventually buzzed to ask. I had obs done on the recovery unit but not since I've been back in my room and its now five and a half hours after surgery and theres only been two brief visits to me as I buzzed to use the loo with assistance. I waited for painkillers for an hour (not nurses fault at all, she's so busy) and my own tablets haven't been taken care of despite someone earlier saying they'd let the senior nurse know about them.

My details whiteboard hasn't been filled out (dont know if that matters) and the blinds in my room have blinds missing so no doubt across the way has seen my knickers and bare boobs several times.

Staff are absolutely lovely on the ward. They're They're doing their best but I can tell they have very little to give. They need my bed more than I do for a bloody good rest! They're run ragged. AIBU to expect our NHS to invest in staff and their wellbeing so they can care for patients better?

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lifeinthemidlands · 16/08/2026 20:04

Corianda · 16/08/2026 07:11

The awful thing - like most things in this country - is that the Government of any colour will not admit it's a mess and won't even instigate some relatively simple rule such as a 5 / 7/ 15 pound payment to see your GP - I suppose a Gov will insist you can't possibly do this because the unemployed/ those on benefits/ those with children / etc can't afford it. It's the cry with everything but the whole lot of us are and our country are falling into an abyss. There has to be someone or something with a hidden agenda wanting and trying to destroy the UK that we can't do a simple thing that many other countries do.
And once you set this up (perhaps excluding some people ) the set up can be used for prescriptions etc Most people I know pay for dental care now on a monthly contract and you pay to see a chiropodist, or private physio. There is some availability for free nhs care for those that can't afford it. I haven't seen rioting in the streets over this change.
Are the ones with an agenda to destroy the country in Gov?

The cost of collecting a small revenue like this will be much more than the benefit- this has beenn demonstrated in countries time and time again.

menopausequeen · 16/08/2026 07:32

It’s awful. They are not recruiting in several Trusts now. It’s the management that I see as an issue and that includes support functions like housekeeping and facilities. The actual clinical staff are generally good but they are working in a terrible culture and with lack of decent equipment and facilities and have to do lots of non clinical tasks which detract from their core role.
I don’t think they need to pour more money into the system but they need better leaders and better support functions who see their role as creating the very best environment for clinical staff and patients rather than depleting everything or not being bothered.

AndyKitten · 16/08/2026 07:31

SquirrelGG · 14/08/2026 02:10

Doesn't the ward have a lounge of some sort? I had to wait to see a doctor for my discharge notes and medication (not in the UK) and they sent me to a lounge, with tea and coffee making facilities, to free up the bed.

The good old waiting for the pharmacy.

It’s absolutely infuriating for the patients and blocks beds for the hospital and it keeps going on.

Corianda · 16/08/2026 07:11

The awful thing - like most things in this country - is that the Government of any colour will not admit it's a mess and won't even instigate some relatively simple rule such as a 5 / 7/ 15 pound payment to see your GP - I suppose a Gov will insist you can't possibly do this because the unemployed/ those on benefits/ those with children / etc can't afford it. It's the cry with everything but the whole lot of us are and our country are falling into an abyss. There has to be someone or something with a hidden agenda wanting and trying to destroy the UK that we can't do a simple thing that many other countries do.
And once you set this up (perhaps excluding some people ) the set up can be used for prescriptions etc Most people I know pay for dental care now on a monthly contract and you pay to see a chiropodist, or private physio. There is some availability for free nhs care for those that can't afford it. I haven't seen rioting in the streets over this change.
Are the ones with an agenda to destroy the country in Gov?

Greybeardy · 15/08/2026 09:45

Pistachiocake · 14/08/2026 23:30

If so she should be told, surely, so she'd know to mention it, just like if you have an allergy you should tell them. I'd question that, so you know the actual details OP. But they do get people mixed up-I had a nurse talking to me about a procedure and they'd got me mixed up with another patient.

Depends on what the problem was a bit - it’s not always that clear. Risks and benefits of spinal vs GA are different for different operations/medical circumstances/stages of life. Realistically there aren’t many people who can ‘never’ have a GA for anything, but it does need someone to review the scenario at each presentation to decide what is the safest option. For something like a difficult airway/one of the rare reactions to GA drugs then the patient does need to know because that’s more likely to be a recurrent thing, but if it was just something like low sats/BP or whatnot then that’s less useful and the decision re what’s safest the next time depends on the exact circs the next time.

The system wherever the OP is seems to work well for anaesthetics at least if the anaesthetist on the day had been able to access the old chart, spot the problem and make a plan based on the current operation (even after a previous failed spinal it is often still reasonable to have another go if getting it in would be the lowest risk plan). Problem with telling people they’ve had this-or-that problem with a GA is that whatever we say they often seem to take away that they can ‘never’ have a GA for anything and then they don’t present/get referred for things that they could easily have done.

PearsOrApple · 15/08/2026 09:43

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 15/08/2026 09:41

Wealth corrupts. There are other values in life. The level of wealth in modern times is just unaffordable for the planet. How many superyachts does a billionaire actually need??

And the level of inequality it leads to is staggering. The poverty in the US is unbelievable for such a rich nation.

They can have as many as they want. Their purchase of it actually helps to pay the wages of those make it.

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 15/08/2026 09:41

PearsOrApple · 15/08/2026 09:31

Wealth is good.

Wealth corrupts. There are other values in life. The level of wealth in modern times is just unaffordable for the planet. How many superyachts does a billionaire actually need??

And the level of inequality it leads to is staggering. The poverty in the US is unbelievable for such a rich nation.

PearsOrApple · 15/08/2026 09:31

Wealth is good.

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 15/08/2026 09:28

littlebilliie · 14/08/2026 23:10

I was in surgery last year, it was a real eye-opener. I had excellent treatment and surgery, but the ward! what particularly stays with me was the woman who was claiming to be pain and could not eat. Every time the Surgeon’s came round, she was telling a story that she could not eat or drink. When the Surgeon’s left, she was jumping in a taxi and in her pyjamas to go to McDonald’s and when she was back in bed drinking Vimto and eating salt vinegar Pringles. The surgery could not be conducted because she was so overweight. I have to say it was one of the most dismal experiences of my life and the NHS is dealing with crazy people who won’t follow instructions or look after themselves . I am not surprised it’s on its knees

Yep staff see this and similar tales. When we talk about entitlement of patients we are not kidding. Some out there genuinely believe the y are entitled to live like this and face no consequences to their health, because it’s their ‘choice’ not to!

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 15/08/2026 09:27

Todolisttoolong · 14/08/2026 23:00

Trump is in America?

Our own government ministers’ personal fortunes also seem to be growing by the day.

Yes. Britain copies America and follows its cultural developments fairly closely. We copied their attitude to wealth, we copied their privatization program, their extreme consumerist program, we copied their material culture, we even had their looks imported - plastic and large. I remember when working class culture used to laugh at the American culture, but the working classss have been disadvantaged ever since the 80s. So, surely everyone can now see the level of open corruption there, and one would hope that sensible people would reject that culture. But of course it’s an insanity.

Dameputtingonabraveface · 14/08/2026 23:42

So, I trained as a nurse qualified in 1997, worked in cardiology an left as a then band F some years later and retrained and have worked in Frontline child protection ever since. If you want functioning public services they need to be funded. Years of austerity and outsourcing to private companies backed by middle eastern wealth funds means lots of public services have been privitised via the back door. Obviously the answer is to bring them back in house, accept this is impossible whilst paying these companies to ensure statutory duties are met means there are no funds for local authorities/the public sector to achieve this. At the same time, funding from central government has been cut year after year. This is the same for the police, probarion, the prison service, adult social care. We are now seeing years of under investment and not pissing of tax payers/voters. Something needs to change, I doubt it will and we will blame the tiny proportion of the population who are immigrants.

Pistachiocake · 14/08/2026 23:30

zeebra · 12/08/2026 23:38

She was obviously given a GA before where she had a bad reaction- she was unconscious at the time but it was noted that she had a bad reaction to it. She therefore wouldn't know unless told! That is my understanding anyway!

If so she should be told, surely, so she'd know to mention it, just like if you have an allergy you should tell them. I'd question that, so you know the actual details OP. But they do get people mixed up-I had a nurse talking to me about a procedure and they'd got me mixed up with another patient.

littlebilliie · 14/08/2026 23:10

I was in surgery last year, it was a real eye-opener. I had excellent treatment and surgery, but the ward! what particularly stays with me was the woman who was claiming to be pain and could not eat. Every time the Surgeon’s came round, she was telling a story that she could not eat or drink. When the Surgeon’s left, she was jumping in a taxi and in her pyjamas to go to McDonald’s and when she was back in bed drinking Vimto and eating salt vinegar Pringles. The surgery could not be conducted because she was so overweight. I have to say it was one of the most dismal experiences of my life and the NHS is dealing with crazy people who won’t follow instructions or look after themselves . I am not surprised it’s on its knees

Todolisttoolong · 14/08/2026 23:00

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 14/08/2026 20:52

I really wish we could ditch the ‘he said - she said’ of modern party politics and get some politicians who would actually come together to fix our country before we go into total meltdown.

They seem to be able to team up all right to bring us neoliberalism and corruption.

Surely everyone can now see where Trump is leading. The most openly corrupt presidency ever, with his personal fortune growing more and more every day. So much for American led democracy.

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Trump is in America?

Our own government ministers’ personal fortunes also seem to be growing by the day.

Todolisttoolong · 14/08/2026 22:58

BIossomtoes · 14/08/2026 20:22

The entire world was in recession. Painting it as the result of government ineptitude is simply misrepresentation of the facts. But you know that.

That is irrelevant to the fact that the Tories still took on a country in a huge recession from Labour. You seem quite happy to blame the Tories for the economic problems caused by Covid lockdowns and furlough - things Labour not only supported but wanted more of.

“Events, dear boy, events”

Tunnocks34 · 14/08/2026 20:59

Could it be experiences vary.

I will tell you my son had been diagnosed with a lung tumour. From referral to MRI is was 2 weeks, surgery rapidly followed. His recovery team was excellent, with nurses being outstanding and every single professional who dealt with him being aware of his needs. Within a week he was home and 7 years later he has an active and healthy life. He is a typical 7 year old. Zero health conditions.

In the US children are routinely aborted for my son’s health condition because insurance companies will not cover it. Parents are faces with going into debt by MILLIONS or a prying their baby.

So yes. The NHS has issues. It isn’t perfect and lots of times it falls below standards but it is still a life saver for many. We must invest.

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 14/08/2026 20:52

I really wish we could ditch the ‘he said - she said’ of modern party politics and get some politicians who would actually come together to fix our country before we go into total meltdown.

They seem to be able to team up all right to bring us neoliberalism and corruption.

Surely everyone can now see where Trump is leading. The most openly corrupt presidency ever, with his personal fortune growing more and more every day. So much for American led democracy.

BIossomtoes · 14/08/2026 20:22

The entire world was in recession. Painting it as the result of government ineptitude is simply misrepresentation of the facts. But you know that.

Todolisttoolong · 14/08/2026 19:07

BIossomtoes · 14/08/2026 18:30

It was a global event that began in the US. Obviously you know that but it suits your purposes to push an erroneous narrative. It doesn’t wash.

Does it change the fact that Labour handed over an economy in huge recession?

It certainly wasn’t the reason they sold off the gold reserve in boom years when gold was at an historic low.

BIossomtoes · 14/08/2026 18:30

Todolisttoolong · 14/08/2026 18:28

As opposed to the Tories who received the biggest recession and financial crisis since the Second World War from Labour when they went into office?

It was a global event that began in the US. Obviously you know that but it suits your purposes to push an erroneous narrative. It doesn’t wash.

Todolisttoolong · 14/08/2026 18:28

GrandmasCat · 14/08/2026 10:04

Ooooh… I love a good conspiracy theory, Hotshitmum. What did he sell for good press coverage? His soul perhaps? I think he is not keen on privatisation of public services.

Starmer had no chance, he was left with a shitload of issues no new goverment will be able to sort in decades. He paid for what the Tories left to rot.

As opposed to the Tories who received the biggest recession and financial crisis since the Second World War from Labour when they went into office?

GrandmasCat · 14/08/2026 10:04

hotmumshit · 12/08/2026 23:37

I think that Starmer got bad press from day 1, despite it not being so bad during the election

Andy has had amazing press coverage - THE TIMES were praising him

Which means he has sold out something for that press coverage. In my opinion, its the NHS

I reckon starmer pushed back, hence the negative press causing him to have to step down.

Ooooh… I love a good conspiracy theory, Hotshitmum. What did he sell for good press coverage? His soul perhaps? I think he is not keen on privatisation of public services.

Starmer had no chance, he was left with a shitload of issues no new goverment will be able to sort in decades. He paid for what the Tories left to rot.

askmenow · 14/08/2026 09:23

TallSturdyGirls · 13/08/2026 00:03

Interesting take. I think (as a left leaning person) that Starmer is a poor communicator and misread the mood of thw country and a way to express his (not very coherent) plan. Whereas Andy has strong convictions and is a good, engaging, relatable speaker.

Burnham is a snake oil salesman. Give it time!
Yvette Cooper took £300k from a mogul who’s been given NHS contracts.
That sticks but the MSM don’t cover it.

Baroness Mone defrauded the Gov of hundreds of £ millions during Covid. And so it goes on.

In Peterborough the main hospital was replaced by a new PPI one with several hundred less beds, in an area of huge demographic growth!
I never did think it made sense given the aging population, the closure of cottage hospitals, the closure of the psychiatric hospitals, and the exponential national population growth.

Theres so much pressure from all sides on the NHS and no clear thinking.

GrandmasCat · 14/08/2026 06:18

RuinartRuination · 12/08/2026 23:42

Ageing population: under 20% are over 65 which is 24th in Europe. Spare a thought for the Italians at 24%.
I have generally good experiences of the NHS but I tend to pick and choose due to private healthcare. But I did have a situation recently where I went to my NHS GP who had a ten minutes slot to go through some concerns I had in relation to my health . I didn’t feel like he explored the issue I raised enough with me so I subsequently went private and had a whole hour with a GP which was wonderful.
I think the French system is better personally but I do appreciate the NHS in general. It’s inefficient, but being free at point of use, for those without insurance it’s amazing. The poor in America have it far worse.

Aging population may be under 20% but in average they need far more medical care, are more likely to be consuming medication long term and I’m sure you already know how much a nursing home is likely to charge a week.

I’m sure there are large aging populations around the Mediterranean, which are made even worse by the amount of people from other countries who choose to retire there.

SquirrelGG · 14/08/2026 02:10

Chefpig · 13/08/2026 11:36

And now I'm waiting, dressed and ready to go for medication to be brought up from the pharmacy. The pharmacist said on the ward visit earlier that it could be anything up until 5pm so I'm needlessly taking up a bed despite being well enough to go home and ready to go. I get that everyone is working hard, short staffed etc but its madness. My recovery would be better if I wasn't waiting around right now and eating nice food at home, drinking tea (been offered one cup this am at 8am and thats it. Literally no offers of water no nothing.

Doesn't the ward have a lounge of some sort? I had to wait to see a doctor for my discharge notes and medication (not in the UK) and they sent me to a lounge, with tea and coffee making facilities, to free up the bed.

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