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Child Maintenance-Should fathers on benefits pay more?

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CalmGreenWasp · 11/08/2026 09:19

My ExP owns his home outright, receives in excess of £1,200/month in disability benefits and works cash in hand. His only outgoings are food and utility bills for himself. Is it fair that he only pays £7.00/week maintenance for our DD10? For context, I am a lone parent and own a mortgaged home. I slightly exceed the threshold for universal credit. My disposable household income after mortgage and bills equates to half his, but with two people to support. Is the system broke? Should disposable income be considered by CMS when paying parent is in receipt of benefits?

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Boomer55 · 11/08/2026 16:39

CalmGreenWasp · 11/08/2026 09:19

My ExP owns his home outright, receives in excess of £1,200/month in disability benefits and works cash in hand. His only outgoings are food and utility bills for himself. Is it fair that he only pays £7.00/week maintenance for our DD10? For context, I am a lone parent and own a mortgaged home. I slightly exceed the threshold for universal credit. My disposable household income after mortgage and bills equates to half his, but with two people to support. Is the system broke? Should disposable income be considered by CMS when paying parent is in receipt of benefits?

Benefits are worked out with what people need to live on. Disability benefits aren't counted as income.

If you know he's got other income, then report him.

XenoBitch · 11/08/2026 16:36

The hidden earnings is the issue, not being on benefits. They can't pay what they do not have.

CalmGreenWasp · 11/08/2026 16:33

My understanding is the £7 flat rate is triggered automatically if your are in receipt of any qualifying benefits eg universal credit, pip, state pension, regardless of income- but I might be wrong

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Theunamedcat · 11/08/2026 16:27

CalmGreenWasp · 11/08/2026 16:19

Another thing that does bother me is that he could earn 70k plus, through the books, but if he receives any form of benefit eg low rate care component for PIP, he would still only have to pay £7/wk. A benefit entitlement letter seems to be a get out of jail free card..

That's not true at all its just not counted towards his income

Theunamedcat · 11/08/2026 16:25

CalmGreenWasp · 11/08/2026 12:35

I tried that, but tbh they were not interested, they clearly do not have the resources to investigate

Report the company to HMRC they take tax evasion seriously far more seriously than child maintenance service takes spiting children from child support

CalmGreenWasp · 11/08/2026 16:19

Another thing that does bother me is that he could earn 70k plus, through the books, but if he receives any form of benefit eg low rate care component for PIP, he would still only have to pay £7/wk. A benefit entitlement letter seems to be a get out of jail free card..

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Oxo01 · 11/08/2026 16:06

FrippEnos · 11/08/2026 12:31

Report him.

This
But wouldnt it be great if you could get somone to film him working for a few weeks if you can, then send the video when you report him

SerendipityJane · 11/08/2026 15:59

MotherofPufflings · 11/08/2026 15:55

I would like to see the law changed so that there is a minimum amount of maintenance that a child is entitled to and that money is paid to the resident parent via HMRC. That money then becomes a debt from the non-resident parent to the government and it is owed (with interest) for the rest of their life and from their estate if necessary. No escape, no way of wriggling out of it. It's only written off if there's no money left when they die.

It will never happen, but as a society non-payment of child maintenance should be treated as seriously as tax evasion.

So the children of the next family end up suffering ?

And you can't get blood out of a stone.

MotherofPufflings · 11/08/2026 15:55

I would like to see the law changed so that there is a minimum amount of maintenance that a child is entitled to and that money is paid to the resident parent via HMRC. That money then becomes a debt from the non-resident parent to the government and it is owed (with interest) for the rest of their life and from their estate if necessary. No escape, no way of wriggling out of it. It's only written off if there's no money left when they die.

It will never happen, but as a society non-payment of child maintenance should be treated as seriously as tax evasion.

SerendipityJane · 11/08/2026 15:50

Seymour5 · 11/08/2026 15:49

Shame on him and his family for enabling him to avoid supporting his own child.

Imagine if the owners of such businesses were treated the same as if they had been employing an undocumented immigrant.

Still,we have to get our priorities right.

OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 11/08/2026 15:50

Rosesandthorns66 · 11/08/2026 14:56

Its the cash in hand thats the problem, which lets these people get away with not having to pay Child Maintenance.
The people who employ and pay cash in hand are also the problem.
Theres no easy solution for this.
You can't report it without solid proof.
The employers deny they have these employees who they are paying cash in hand to.

The other problem is that he has been able to be signed off work due to MH, fully covered by the taxpayer, when he is clearly able to work as he is doing so.

Seymour5 · 11/08/2026 15:49

CalmGreenWasp · 11/08/2026 14:34

In his case, he works for his family’s roofing company, of which he was formerly a director.

Shame on him and his family for enabling him to avoid supporting his own child.

CalmGreenWasp · 11/08/2026 15:03

I reported to CMS. I doubt HMRC would be able to do much given the nature of his Company. A lot of customers pay cash in hand and I would dare say that a lot of revenue goes undeclared at the best of times. I know I just need to suck it up, but it is upsetting to witness his lavish, carefree life, while I am taxed heavily and financially struggle raising his daughter. A tale as old as time I suppose

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Rosesandthorns66 · 11/08/2026 14:56

CalmGreenWasp · 11/08/2026 11:39

My ex doesn’t suffer from physical disability. He claims for his MH, but still manages to work 9-5, five days a week, cash in hand, of course

Its the cash in hand thats the problem, which lets these people get away with not having to pay Child Maintenance.
The people who employ and pay cash in hand are also the problem.
Theres no easy solution for this.
You can't report it without solid proof.
The employers deny they have these employees who they are paying cash in hand to.

HelenHywater · 11/08/2026 14:44

Who did you report him to OP? HMRC? they might be interested even even DWP aren't.

SerendipityJane · 11/08/2026 14:39

Being blunt, you will never be able to change the CMS as long as feckless fathers can fuck off and father more children with a new family. Unless anyone here is willing to lie in public and say they would be content with their family having less whilst his previous family get it all.

With that fact locked in, talking about the benefits system does suggest a slightly different agenda.

The sometimes suggested solution to "cut their goolies off" really can seem the only answer.

CalmGreenWasp · 11/08/2026 14:34

In his case, he works for his family’s roofing company, of which he was formerly a director.

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JohnofWessex · 11/08/2026 14:17

People are on benefits because they dont have any money

So where is this CMS going to come from?

Often something that gets forgotten on Mumsnet

Looking at the case of your ex partner I saw some figures recently about the collapse in number of benefit fraud prosecutions and of course not many people get prosecuted over tax either - which is what your ex and his employer are up to.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 11/08/2026 14:02

Cockerpoomom · 11/08/2026 09:57

I never understand why people need the extra money on PIP when they work? Its like when the government allow alcoholics to claim sickness benefits which is more money and they don't have to look for work, so obviously they are being given extra money to sit at home and drink even more , where's the logic in any of the government systems?

I certainly don't understand why the CSA Dept don't do more to help parents who are claiming CSA for their DC. It all seems a bit useless really I'm sure back in the day 20 years ago my ex was paying £5 a week for our DS out of his benefits so it hasn't gone up much in 20 years. I stopped claiming it coz there was no point and he drifted off never to be seen again. How do they let the parent having to pay CSA owe so much in arrears? Especially when they claim benefits or work, they are quick enough taking money out of benefits or wages if you owe the council or the government money.
The whole system is ridiculous.

An alcoholic does not receive sickness benefits due to addiction. It's specifically excluded from being counted as a disability. Some may be entitled to claim on the basis of physical or mental disability, but not 'just to sit and drink'. Moreover, cutting off benefits costs the State significantly more in intensive care admissions, hospitalisations and long term care due to brain damage received from unplanned abstention. The DTs kill and disable.

inkgirl · 11/08/2026 13:57

Cash in hand isnt included in his income as they can't be sure of how much he is earning they can only go on what goes into his back payment wise, eg his benefits.

Quine0nline · 11/08/2026 13:52

One to bring up with Andy Burnham when he comes to your area. Seriously, getting money from deadbeat lost fathers (in most cases) would be a vote winner for any party.

BIossomtoes · 11/08/2026 13:01

I never understand why people need the extra money on PIP when they work

It’s to enable them to work in most cases.

menopausequeen · 11/08/2026 12:59

It’s the cash in hand bit that should be dealt with. Then you and the tax paying community (which is getting smaller and smaller) would be treated more fairly.

littleduck151 · 11/08/2026 12:56

Cockerpoomom · 11/08/2026 09:57

I never understand why people need the extra money on PIP when they work? Its like when the government allow alcoholics to claim sickness benefits which is more money and they don't have to look for work, so obviously they are being given extra money to sit at home and drink even more , where's the logic in any of the government systems?

I certainly don't understand why the CSA Dept don't do more to help parents who are claiming CSA for their DC. It all seems a bit useless really I'm sure back in the day 20 years ago my ex was paying £5 a week for our DS out of his benefits so it hasn't gone up much in 20 years. I stopped claiming it coz there was no point and he drifted off never to be seen again. How do they let the parent having to pay CSA owe so much in arrears? Especially when they claim benefits or work, they are quick enough taking money out of benefits or wages if you owe the council or the government money.
The whole system is ridiculous.

I work full time and receive ADP (Scottish equivalent of PIP) due to my Multiple Sclerosis. Is there anything you’d like to ask me the extra costs I incur that would help you understand why I claim it?

TigerRag · 11/08/2026 12:52

Cockerpoomom · 11/08/2026 09:57

I never understand why people need the extra money on PIP when they work? Its like when the government allow alcoholics to claim sickness benefits which is more money and they don't have to look for work, so obviously they are being given extra money to sit at home and drink even more , where's the logic in any of the government systems?

I certainly don't understand why the CSA Dept don't do more to help parents who are claiming CSA for their DC. It all seems a bit useless really I'm sure back in the day 20 years ago my ex was paying £5 a week for our DS out of his benefits so it hasn't gone up much in 20 years. I stopped claiming it coz there was no point and he drifted off never to be seen again. How do they let the parent having to pay CSA owe so much in arrears? Especially when they claim benefits or work, they are quick enough taking money out of benefits or wages if you owe the council or the government money.
The whole system is ridiculous.

Disability costs don't suddenly stop when you work. I know people who can only work because they get pip

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