To think the El Salvador prison idea is a brilliant one?

And again: can those of us who work productively and obey the law have those facilities please @SocksAndTheCity ? What’s the point of doing things right now when you can get a better and easier life through ‘making one mistake’ ( as their excuses have it)? And being male, of course, let’s not forget that.

They ARE releasing violent prisoners though, isnt that the whole point of the thread?

As Dostoevsky said, “a society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens, but by how it treats its criminals”.
Which, basically, means that treating people who have power, wealth, or high standing well is easy for any community. A true test of humanity is how a system handles its lowest, most marginalized, or most condemned members.

😂100%

I’m also not an MP, have no influence in government whatsoever, but I’m currently in talks with the Maldivian government to give every woman over 40 a free holiday to the Maldives.
No funding. No authority. No actual plan.

Gosh. Coming up with bullshit policies that people will vote for is really quite easy, isn’t it?

Here you go:

observer.co.uk/news/national/article/scandi-wings-offering-pianos-pool-and-tea-parties-could-help-solve-prison-crisis

We need to clamp down on the small crimes.

I'm disappointed that Vanessa Frake has involved herself with this.

I think they do something different with violent prisoners though- the rehab etc is for lesser prisoners. Plus Norway is a different country anyway. Damned if I see why I should pay for any criminals to have computers, facilities and degree level retraining and education when I have to pay through the nose for my own.

It’s blatantly because of the publicity El Salvador gets regarding its ultra-hardline prisons. Because Nige and Zia are dead tuff innit.

Me: "I do not agree with the simplistic and unrealistic idea of shipping prisoners from the UK to places like El Salvador."

Reform: "You want violent rapists and murderers set free!"

What a leap. You look foolish.

There were rather more serious suggestions of renting places in European prisons a few years ago. The Netherlands, I think.

Why El Salvador, why not North Korea that’s what we’re usually told to compare to. Strangely random choice, from a strangely random upper class twit.

Link please

There are randomised trial going on with Scandinavian wings in the uk. It is apparently going really well but when this news came out the right wing hit the roof.

Despite the fact that it seems to be safer for prison staff as well as the prisoners and has reduced staff sickness and retention.

You're ok with violent criminals roaming free then? Its not just reform voters that want them banged up. Most people with half a brain want them taken off the streets

It wouldn't work with the kind of people that end up in UK prisons.

It’s an absolutely ridiculous idea.

Interesting reaction OP, because my only reaction was to reflect on how desperate Reform are getting.

Their plan is unworkable and absolute bullshit. “Tough” talk with no consideration of the practicalities or whether it would actually work in practice.

Stagnating in the polls with a leader who was once a massive asset but is now the opposite, they need headline grabbing ideas to stave off the decline and distract from Nigel’s “issues”.

Like I say, it reeks of desperation. They are just not serious people.

Because what actually happened was the Rwandan government used our money to build those buildings for Rwandans so they are probably occupied by now.

No idea what happened to the few people we did manage to send there. Neither do Rwanda from what I can remember. Probably re entered the uk on a small boat.

I am a rape victim, but I don't think that is a requirement to take part in this discussion.

Keep on showing your arse, it's a great look for Reform voters and how their brains work.

Folk should look up Norways model. Lots of rehab and one of the lowest reoffending rates in the world.

Appalling that anyone thinks this is ok.

Concentration camps by any other name.

How does he plan to get that past the human rights activists?

They wouldn't be coming back.

CECOT high security prison is for gang members. Non gang members are not sent to CECOT. Rehabilitation programs in their standard prisons vary but they typically have what's known as a "no idle" policy which means prisoners are engaged in education, rehabilitation or work programs for most of their waking time.

The mass incarceration of gang members has decreased the murder rate from it's peak of 105 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants annually to 1.3 per 100,000. School attendance has also increased significantly because parents are no longer afraid to let their children leave the house. To put it in perspective there are roughly 500-600 murders each year in the UK, that would be more like 65,000 per year if our murder rate was similar to El Salvador at it's peak.

I think sending UK prisoners abroad is a bad idea.