To think the El Salvador prison idea is a brilliant one?

Its not lefty bollocks though is it....America and crime levels for your beliefs, Scandinavian countries in the past for a clear example of low crime through relative equity and rehabilitation

For the right price they’d do anything, prison isn’t even a second thought for murderers, rapists, physical assaults until after the event.
If it was a deterrent then there would be no prisoners in El Salvador.
People take crazy risks every day, smoking, drinking, drugs, human nature tends to believe that it’ll never happen to them, it happens other people, until it does.
Most crimes start with a plan, a plan that aims to get away.

I’ve worked with people in prisons on and off for almost 25 years. Some would be deterred, others would not. Most would imagine they’d never get caught. If deterrence was that simple there’d be no murders in death states, and yet…

Well you’d think they had plenty of time for reflection when in prison but from what I’ve seen clearly not. You can make excuses for them and blame everyone else but sometimes there’s no reason for them to break the law apart from the love of the money it brings. Whoever said crime doesn’t pay clearly has never met my family, they were earning decent money and had been educated and left college with a trade but yeah equitable economy for the win. Typical lefty bollocks yet again.

Every study ever undertaken on criminals and criminal behaviour shows they don't stop and think that's why one famous UK rehabilitation course was called ABC Stop and Think

You are unaware execution is not a deterrent?

Aware that an equitable economy is?

Or just simplistic thoughts ?

I've worked with many victims of serious crime (that you've listed) and criminals funny thing is...they may often be the same people.

Maybe you could use your extensive critical reasoning skills to work out why?

The statistics speak for themselves.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/696152/homicide-rate-in-el-salvador/

Oh! That must be why they are horribly overcrowded!

Go ask anyone who’s been in prison if they would have thought twice about breaking the law if they thought they’d end would end up in a prison like El Salvador has and let me know what they say. I’ve had this conversation with such people recently when the tv programme aired and they were shocked at how tough it is.

Don’t think everyone who ends up in prison has a sob story either. My family members just sold drugs for the money pure and simple and have been to prison more than once yet still carry on breaking the law because sentences and conditions inside are no deterrent to them. They even carried on running their little empire from inside prison with their own mobile phones so forgive me for thinking our prison systems are too soft but I’ve seen it firsthand and believe a change is needed.

The point is you can't legally deport anyone to a jail in El Salvador because it's incompatible with UK human rights laws.

To change this will take significant changes.

Even deporting other nationals such as Albanian is more complex than people would have you believe.

How do you get a prisoner back to Albania? On an easyJet flight? Or a specially chartered flight that requires multiple permissions from the Albanian government? This requires diplomatic negotiations and agreements. You can't just deport because the other country has to be willing to take them.

Yes well they were wrong. And you’re wrong that it could work just the same here.

You’re also wrong - but a bit less wrong - on the reasons for reoffending. It’s true that sometimes people are less afraid of prison after they’ve been there.

For some it’s the only structure they’ve ever had. But the riskiest time for suicide is after a recall, so it’s obvious lots of people are unhappy about being in prison.

Frequent reoffenders are also in addiction, homeless, mentally unwell or otherwise struggling. If you turn people loose with nothing to do and nowhere to go, it’s inevitable that some will come back.

People who’ve served long sentences and are accommodated in release because the law requires it, recognising that homelessness is a risk factor, offend far less frequently.

And the lowest reoffending in the world is in countries where prisons are miles better than English prisons. I assume you mean English, since UK would include Jersey which is surprisingly cosy.

The comment I replied to tried to say it hasn’t worked because they have the highest level of homicide per capita. It’s very clear from the data that it has worked because they fear going there. Prison should always be somewhere people don’t want to go but if you talk to anyone in this country that has been they’ll tell you it’s a joke and that’s probably why we have so many repeat offenders, it’s worth the risk because they know what it’s like inside a UK prison.

I know this won't happen but C'mon Binface!

It worked there because of the enormous number of gang related murders. That’s not the case here, where there are more varied reasons for violence and murder. El Salvador still has a homicide rate roughly twice the UK’s.

Almost like it does given the dramatic fall.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/696152/homicide-rate-in-el-salvador/

Why am I not surprised this first-time poster never returned to the thread?

Hmm, what's not to like? Working young men with the "wrong" haircut jailed for 40 years, no appeal. A 2 minute remote hearing and you have no lawyer, tough titty. Venezuelans and Colombians with no criminal records deported there from America. Probably 10% of the inmates of the CECOT system have committed no crime.

What's not to like? Where do we sign?!

TicklishReader I agree ,the whole page is more like a Sun paper take !

Obstacles like the law, do you mean?

It only failed because the left put every obstacle in their way.

We are not forgetting about the £5 million gift poor Nigel is just praying this will go away

I guess next will be informing us of the plans to bring back the death penalty

Its not going to happen, too many laws in place that protect us all and lets not forget the spectacular fail and wasted money spent on the Rwanda asylum project

Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Paula Vennels for starters.

I have not clicked on the article, but this sounds like the usual right wing headline grab which is in fact total nonsense, like Rwanda. In any case, aren’t we supposed to be flying less, ‘cos climate change, innit?

I watched this. It was grim as fuck. Almost akin to a concentration camp.

Even if that’s the case, why not send them to their home country, where we would not have to pay for their continued incarceration? Of course that only works where people have served at least some of their sentence. If you’re a victim of a crime by someone from a country where that wouldn’t be an imprisonable offence, they get sent back and are free, no criminal record in their country, no punishment? Probably not.

But clearly CECOT is where Farage has in mind for this scheme. Otherwise why specify El Salvador in particular?