AIBU to think cancelling the flight over a child was excessive

It would be £100,000s. The cost of missed connecting flights, missed hotel rooms etc. Not to mention the cost to the airline. Although I'm not saying I disagree with you!

The parents should be made to pay the costs of every single passenger on this plane.

Selfish cunts. I hate seeing a child at the gate when I’m about to get on a flight because you know the flight will be horrendous. I try to secure exit row seats whenever possible so that I can avoid them.

I was on a Ryanair flight when this happened. We were already on the runway accelerating for take off when the child stood on his seat. A member of cabin crew screamed "Strap in that FUCKING child!" Parents and child were so shocked it worked.

And for the next FOUR HOURS to Toronto?

Because the safety couldn't be guaranteed after either. If a child is that distressed, you do need to think about that.

All the people with children who clearly aren't escapologists, you are lucky. DD was fine on planes but could work any child lock, any buckle, any door lock, any fastener. She was incredibly wriggly and could go 0-60 in a speed other relatives couldn't believe when they saw it. Some kids are built differently.

People asking what the parents possibly could have done and how you can keep a toddler in their seat - hold them until seatbelt signs go off so they can't slide under the belt? Most parents are stronger than their toddlers, we are not talking about a tantrumming teenager.

There are various reports from people on the plane that the child was approx 3. One has him at 19mo. All say the child wasn't being bratty but was scared. None criticise the parents, only the airline's communication.

But hey, people who weren't there obviously know much better.

There are various reports from people on the plane that the child was approx 3. One has him at 19mo. All say the child wasn't being bratty but was scared. None criticise the parents, only the airline's communication.

But hey, people who weren't there obviously know much better.

How do we know the child was three? Just curious as I haven't been able to see the age online anywhere.

Presumably they were young if able to hide under the seat but it seems to be a fact on this thread that child was three.

There likely wasn't anything the parents could have done at that point, because the damage had already been done in their years of lax and insipid (non-)parenting leading to a child that is uncontrollable.

People asking what the parents possibly could have done and how you can keep a toddler in their seat - hold them until seatbelt signs go off so they can't slide under the belt? Most parents are stronger than their toddlers, we are not talking about a tantrumming teenager.

Ah ..off topic but for info - in flight, yes crew can tie/secure people up on board if the situation demands it, perfectly lawful in most jurisdictions (including the UK) if approved by the pilot in command.

What you can't do on an aircraft is tie someone up, or similar, just to ensure they are restrained for takeoff..

Not sure if that's really relevant but hope that makes sense.

..

While I realise that MN has numerous boards and discussions that it isn’t important whether you’re a parent or not, these sorts of comments do make me wonder if the childfree board is a force for good.

I don’t personally think that it is. It is one thing to be childfree and enjoy book discussions and gardening talk and so on. It is another to be childfree and actively dislike children.

I was replying to the comment about using reins.

You can’t just tie people up to restrain them, no matter how urgent it might seem. I’m fairly sure it’s unlawful and could be dangerous.

The parents should be made to pay the costs of every single passenger on this plane.

Selfish cunts. I hate seeing a child at the gate when I’m about to get on a flight because you know the flight will be horrendous. I try to secure exit row seats whenever possible so that I can avoid them.

I may have misunderstood but I thought the context of the comment I was replying to was restraint as in the handcuffs and other kit that might be onboard.

That's (obviously) and as you mention not quite the same as the seatbelts

There likely wasn't anything the parents could have done at that point, because the damage had already been done in their years of lax and insipid (non-)parenting leading to a child that is uncontrollable.

Is that not what we do when we drive. Essentially tie them to the seat?

We are all tied down when we fly to stop us hitting the ceiling in event of hitting an air pocket.

Not sure tying children up is ah, permitted tbh

Is that not what we do when we drive. Essentially tie them to the seat?

We are all tied down when we fly to stop us hitting the ceiling in event of hitting an air pocket.

Tying up anyone (adult or child) in an aircraft on the ground and then going flying isn't usually allowed either.....