AIBU to be blown away by this? TW - Deaths on Everest.

Another Michelle Paver fan here, loved Wakenhyrst and Dark Matter, off to order some more of her books.

just selfish twats the lot of them

People should leave space alone too!!

Sorry @Kimmers4334

I don't like the sound of your Therapist date..

That would drive me mad if someone kept finding my random actions professionally "interesting" . Did it get better or did you dump?

apologies for going off track from the thread.

Everest is littered with bodies as well as all sorts of rubbish. Green boots is sadly just one of them. Have you heard of sleeping beauty?

I wish people would stop climbing it tbh. I also wish they'd stop trying to dive down into the depths of the ocean too. Some places are just not meant for us and we need to accept that.

The problem with endorsements like that for brands is that the bastards have usually changed how they make them in the last 20 years and they’re never as good.

I don’t think you have the right image. Reality is far less kind. He will have been mummified by the cold, dry air and his tissues would be dessicated over time. He will not look the same at all. Probably more like something from Gray’s Anatomy (the book, not the tv show.) My godfather died on Everest after submitting. I became obsessed with what happens to their bodies. He’s been up there since 1996.

Thanks for this tip, I’ve just ordered it. I absolutely loved her book Dark Matter.

It was very sad watching Nadhira AL Harthys body being offloaded from the plane sent to bring her home after dying on Broad Peaks this month. I still can’t quite take in what happened to her and the other souls with her.

The summit of K2 isn't as high as Everest but it's a steeper more technically difficult climb so fewer climbers attempt it. It has a higher death to summit ration than Everest but fewer bodies. Severe weather and avalanches move bodies out of sight of common climbing routes so dead climbers aren't seen as often. It's not called the savage mountain for nothing.

It's called dark humour. Not to everyone's taste but it's certainly my preferred way of dealing with otherwise distressing subjects (and this made me laugh!)

I sort of think this. I'm not furious with them, by any means - you do you, but my sympathy tends to lie more with Sherpas. I think if you opt to do something so needlessly dangerous, and it's a known fact that climbing Everest is dangerous, then you have to accept that people's sympathy will be limited. That's not to say I hope people die, of course. I felt the same about visiting the Titanic. I felt very sad for the young boy but it just seemed so unnecessary.

I thought it was quite funny too.

Sherpa (capital S) is a family name. Without the capital, it has become a generic term for a guide or porter who is not part of the Sherpa family group. A Sherpa is born into the Sherpa family of which there are about 250,000 today. A Sherpa can choose to be a mountain guide or something else, but the former pays significantly better. Prospects do exist in mountain climbing outside Nepal, and some work overseas, but it is a source of family pride to remain in the Himalayas.

He looks like a small human shaped pretzel.

I read the ascent of rum doodle over the holiday and it’s an amusing skewering of the climbing community written some time ago

I agree, it's all about status and self-glorification.

Imagine if all the money and time and effort and resources going into UK people climbing this was actually put into local deprived communities in the UK, what a difference that would make

And for other expeditions as well.

A late friend of ours could not make the end of the climb. Heart palpation or something of that sort.
He was no small bloke but the sherpa carried him on his back to safely.
John paid for the full education of all the sherpas children and university for one of them. It was the least he could do.

That's the question you want to ask????
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

The world is full of mountains. People climbing Everest are just self-absorbed and heedless of the natural consequences of extreme climbing tourism.

But they do talk about death differently. By the time Andriana was 25 she had experienced death of close climbing colleagues and one of her business partners. Her partner is a Sherpa and he nearly died helping someone on K2 and she thought she was going to die twice on descents. Those names from the recent tragedy on Broad Peak in Pakistan where 5 died were all her climbing colleagues. It's a completely different mindset at the elite climbing level.

Has anyone mentioned the novel Thin Air by Michelle Paver? It's a ghost story, and covers some of these themes. She's a wonderful writer.

Yes, my dad was in the Yorkshire Dales cave rescue. There are still 6 people in Mossdale that they couldn't get out in 1967. The system has been permanently closed by a Coroner order and still remains sealed off to where the bodies are.

There is a substantial amount of “shit” on Mount Everest which is a severe environmental and health crisis. It affects local water supplies.