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Do you think that schools are okay?

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applejane11 · 08/08/2026 20:36

When I was in school, I remember absolutely hating school. I like learning. What I hated was the constant feeling of being in a prison, having no freedom. Having to sit for 7 hours a day and not speak. Having no say at all in most things. Constantly being controlled. I remember every morning, feeling dread when I woke up to go in.

I now actually work in a school in an admin position. Ive worked in lots of different companies. Now im in a school. I hear the teenagers say the same things all the time. They hate it, they feel like they are in prison, that it is awful, that they feel depressed every day, that all their young life is wasted. I also have to say, I definitely see school teachers abuse their power over the students. Not in a way that you could say is definitely abuse, but just in a way where you can see that they are really loving having power and control over the teenagers.

Do you think that schools are okay the way that they are? Teenagers don't have a lot of say in things or a lot of human rights, so it's adults that need to have the conversation about it.

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applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:56

ZeroMotivationWithTeens · 09/08/2026 00:53

To be fair you have been spikey about your role and are very condescending in your vernacular

No, you have been.

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Happytaytos · 09/08/2026 00:54

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ZeroMotivationWithTeens · 09/08/2026 00:53

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:49

Next time pet. Ask someone before you assume

a simple 'have you ever worked in a State school' is a more adult way to phrase it than simply assuming that someone has never worked in a State school

To be fair you have been spikey about your role and are very condescending in your vernacular

DelphiniumBlue · 09/08/2026 00:53

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 21:22

I think they are designed to control people. Teenagers in my school and other teenagers that I know tell me that

They can't go to the bathroom when they want to. Girls are often not given adequate time to change period products.
They can't adjust their uniform in the hot weather to feel comfortable.

Re. talking, to clarify: students can talk when the teacher speaks to them, they can't talk to each other in classes all day
(unless directed to do work in a group together)

In workplaces, I can say to my co-worker in the office ' how are you'.

When I was in school, students would get get told to leave the classroom for daring to talk to each other. Even if they just asked each other for a pen or something.

Same thing in the school I'm working in now. They are not allowed to say a word to each other for hours at a time. Only if its group work directed by a teacher

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30 kids in a classroom all speaking "just" asking for a pen/rubber is too noisy for comfort. There has to be quiet times when no one is speaking, or drumming their fingers or tapping their ruler. It's not like being at home, you have to treat them differently when they are en masse. You can't have them all getting up and moving around when they feel like it, it's too disruptive.
It's better when you're working in smaller groups, the children can have a bit more leeway, but in a whole form classroom the rules have to be applied to everyone just to keep the noise levels acceptable.
Some children do find it difficult, others find it hard to focus when there is noise around them. Decent teachers will try not to raise their voices, and to keep the atmosphere calm, but some children can be very challenging. Keeping children in is about the only sanction there is, other than a discussion about why their behaviour isn't working, and obviously keeping children inside can be counter-productive.
Toilets are more of an issue in secondary school, and I think it has already been explained what the issues are. In primary, they would normally be encouraged to go at a time which meant they would not be missing the instructive part of the lesson, but they are normally allowed to go on request, possibly one at a time depending on the likelihood of mucking around when unsupervised.
School is full of rules, and that doesn't work for some kids. Personally, I hated school after about Y4 because things moved so slowly and I was very bored a lot of the time, waiting for other kids to do what they were asked so that the lesson could move on. One of my DC hated school because he didn't like being told what to do ( at all, ever, ) which was something we could work around at home, but not in school, and tbh it is very wearing having a full discussion about every instruction. You couldn't do it in a classroom situation.
If funding was better with more staff, more space, more choice, some children might enjoy school more, but with government diktats on attendance, curriculum content etc the lessons have to proceed apace in order to get through everything, with very extra little time for independent work or following the children's interests.
As for uniform, I think it is a total waste of effort and energy. I don't understand why children can't wear what they want in all schools. I've worked in some schools with uniform and some without, and it makes no difference to cohesion or school identity or behaviour, and I have never seen a child bullied for their clothes. I guess in secondary school labels could be more of an issue, but in the non-uniforms schools near me they all wear a uniform of baggy jeans or joggers anyway. As for having to ask for permission to take of jackets, or to dress appropriately for the weather, that should be unnecessary. I think children learn better when they are comfortable. I suspect most teachers would prefer not to have enforce petty rules.

Happytaytos · 09/08/2026 00:52

What makes me really angry is people making stuff up that they know nothing about.

What makes me angry is stuff like "I wasn't allowed to go to the toilet on my period" said by the child on her period every day.

What makes me angry is "school is like a prison" no it really isn't.

What makes me angry is "we can't talk to each other" yes you can when it is appropriate.

What makes me angry is "the teachers can do XYZ, why can't we" because you're children.

What makes me angry is media representation of schools which are so far from the truth, and the school don't have a right of reply.

Fwiw teenagers have the same human rights as all humans. They are human after all.

ZeroMotivationWithTeens · 09/08/2026 00:50

@applejane11 the more you talk about your auntie and your friend and the depths of their roles, the less credence it gives to your argument about your role. The truth is that in state schools admin staff do not have a lot to do with the students directly other than do their admin roles and occasional behaviour incidents.

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:49

Happytaytos · 09/08/2026 00:39

Your school is unusual because it's private. So you have no idea of the behaviour and issues in the state sector and the boundaries needed to get students to behave. You can exclude students easily, which is a big deterrent!

You've linked sensationalist headlines from state schools, quite disingenuous.

Next time pet. Ask someone before you assume

a simple 'have you ever worked in a State school' is a more adult way to phrase it than simply assuming that someone has never worked in a State school

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applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:47

Happytaytos · 09/08/2026 00:42

Yet more defensiveness.

It's bedtime, where I should have gone an hour ago.

I'm pointing out that you again assumed something without asking.

I'm sorry that you are understaffed in your school. That is probably what is making you angry. Your posts on here have been angry. See you.

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applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:46

boblady · 09/08/2026 00:34

OP is in an admin role, so she knows what’s best for the kids (sorry adolescents) 😂

What I'm finding awful on this thread is the sneeriness and snobbiness on this thread.

The 'why would a student even talk to you, you mere lowly admin staff' theme.

Some of you should really check your attitudes.

My auntie was actually a school secretary in a state school for most of her life. I was friends with a teacher in the school. She constantly said 'oh your aunt runs the school, we wouldn't survive without her'. I still occasionally meet some of the ex students of that school as my mother lives near by. They know that she is my aunt and sometimes the topic comes up. They always say 'oh your aunt was such a big part of our school life, she always listened to us, she did so much for us. We always remember her'

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deepseaargyllfish · 09/08/2026 00:44

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:39

saying someone doesn't have empathy, while demonstrating a lack of empathy yourself. well done!

I didn’t say anything like that though, did I?
(Read it again.)

Happytaytos · 09/08/2026 00:42

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:41

Who said I haven't worked in a state school. Did you ask me? I have worked in a state school. I currently work in a private school.

Have you worked in a private school?

Yet more defensiveness.

It's bedtime, where I should have gone an hour ago.

ZeroMotivationWithTeens · 09/08/2026 00:41

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · 09/08/2026 00:40

all schools should be able to exclude anyone that does not behave

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:41

Happytaytos · 09/08/2026 00:39

Your school is unusual because it's private. So you have no idea of the behaviour and issues in the state sector and the boundaries needed to get students to behave. You can exclude students easily, which is a big deterrent!

You've linked sensationalist headlines from state schools, quite disingenuous.

Who said I haven't worked in a state school. Did you ask me? I have worked in a state school. I currently work in a private school.

Have you worked in a private school?

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MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · 09/08/2026 00:40

Happytaytos · 09/08/2026 00:39

Your school is unusual because it's private. So you have no idea of the behaviour and issues in the state sector and the boundaries needed to get students to behave. You can exclude students easily, which is a big deterrent!

You've linked sensationalist headlines from state schools, quite disingenuous.

all schools should be able to exclude anyone that does not behave

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:39

deepseaargyllfish · 09/08/2026 00:35

@boblady, well said. @applejane11 is either virtue signalling her imagined higher powers of empathy, or painfully naive.

saying someone doesn't have empathy, while demonstrating a lack of empathy yourself. well done!

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Happytaytos · 09/08/2026 00:39

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:33

Why is it hilarious. It's the system that we all live in. You're acting like you don;t know that there are private and public schools. You wrote that my school is very unusual to have a lot of admin staff.

Yes a lot of the parents pay fees. Many of the students are also here on scholarships. Not all of them come from wealthy families

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Your school is unusual because it's private. So you have no idea of the behaviour and issues in the state sector and the boundaries needed to get students to behave. You can exclude students easily, which is a big deterrent!

You've linked sensationalist headlines from state schools, quite disingenuous.

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:38

boblady · 09/08/2026 00:34

OP is in an admin role, so she knows what’s best for the kids (sorry adolescents) 😂

are you making fun of admins? That shows a lot about you.

What do you think admins do - just type in a cupboard all day?

My friend is an administrator for a large London University. She is involved in loads of things, transfers, welfare, accommodation, student health, student campaigns

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ZeroMotivationWithTeens · 09/08/2026 00:37

Happytaytos · 09/08/2026 00:34

I'd put them in support staff not admin but boundaries are blurred because I'm not sure technicians are admin staff either!

If it were a venn diagram, all non teaching staff are support staff, but not all support staff are admin staff

Snuggleup · 09/08/2026 00:37

Nousernameideaaga · 08/08/2026 21:05

I don’t think schools prepare kids for the world that we actually live in anymore.

Thats the parents job.

InOverMyHead84 · 09/08/2026 00:36

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:34

Oh I actually didn't notice that it was you who wrote it.

No, thank you for your politeness. Most appreciated.

And, thankyou for your openness with your school environment. Very interesting.

deepseaargyllfish · 09/08/2026 00:35

boblady · 09/08/2026 00:27

@applejane11 aren’t you on school holidays? Why don’t you give yourself a break away from it and deal with it again with your colleagues in September?

This thread is not helping you as we think you’re being ridiculous.

@boblady, well said. @applejane11 is either virtue signalling her imagined higher powers of empathy, or painfully naive.

boblady · 09/08/2026 00:34

InOverMyHead84 · 09/08/2026 00:32

Quite the web we have here.

OP is in an admin role, so she knows what’s best for the kids (sorry adolescents) 😂

Happytaytos · 09/08/2026 00:34

ZeroMotivationWithTeens · 09/08/2026 00:33

IT staff,
Caretakers/maintenance

I'd put them in support staff not admin but boundaries are blurred because I'm not sure technicians are admin staff either!

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:34

InOverMyHead84 · 09/08/2026 00:33

Choosing to interact with me again OP. Thank you for your attention towards this 'Piece of Work.'

Oh I actually didn't notice that it was you who wrote it.

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InOverMyHead84 · 09/08/2026 00:33

applejane11 · 09/08/2026 00:31

I'll just give two examples of admin staff in our school. We have a welfare team. They have two administration staff. We have a college liasion team. They have two admin members

Choosing to interact with me again OP. Thank you for your attention towards this 'Piece of Work.'