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The Jason Arday scandal

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Ilikesundays · 06/08/2026 21:55

To think that Cambridge University’s reputation has been shot to pieces by the revelations about ex-professor Jason Arday?

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Ceramiq · Yesterday 18:12

thestudio · Yesterday 18:03

This is hilarious.

Why on earth should anyone have to plough through the Renaissance before examining 'global' (you mean 'not white', I guess, because global is a strange word to use here otherwise) conceptual art?

The extent to which the latter reacts against the former can be explained in 500 words I should think. The movements immediately preceding conceptualism are useful to understand - but there's no sense in which conceptual art cannot be understood without a detailed grounding in Renaissance art.

So you must be saying that there is something intrinsic to 'the canon', and the Renaissance in particular ,that makes it more valuable than other forms of art (How do you know? Who decides? Have they seen All The Art?)

And that there's no possibility that our understanding what constitutes the canon is just as subject to ideology - plus fashion, taste, power, wealth - as anything else.

Or are you saying that things should be studied ONLY in descending order of value, as you perceive it? So Shakespeare first, and then eventually when you're about 30 you might be allowed to move on to Toni Morrison?

Or is it simply because it's older? Because I see you're not calling for everyone to study pre-Columbian art before they tackle Carl Andre.

So confused.

I'm the OH of a Renaissance art obsessive, an artist myself, and someone who is by no means uncritical of the current state of arts/humanities/fine art education and the contemporary art scene. I cannot imagine invoking 'the canon' uncritically - to hear you do so makes the rest of your argument not worth the candle imv.

Of course you have to learn about art chronologically: developments in art did not occur in a vacuum.

Global conceptual art is not some term I just made up and that you can query. Look it up.

Noodledog · Yesterday 18:10

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 18:02

He said "under a true meritocracy black people would “disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment"

What is the context that would make that acceptable and not racist?

Cofnas is undoubtedly a racist, but IMO it's always better to defeat an argument with logic and facts. Unfortunately, refusing to engage with a racist because they are racist just leads to some people believing not having a discussion is because there are facts behind his opinion that people are unable to address.

nomas · Yesterday 18:07

thestudio · Yesterday 18:03

This is hilarious.

Why on earth should anyone have to plough through the Renaissance before examining 'global' (you mean 'not white', I guess, because global is a strange word to use here otherwise) conceptual art?

The extent to which the latter reacts against the former can be explained in 500 words I should think. The movements immediately preceding conceptualism are useful to understand - but there's no sense in which conceptual art cannot be understood without a detailed grounding in Renaissance art.

So you must be saying that there is something intrinsic to 'the canon', and the Renaissance in particular ,that makes it more valuable than other forms of art (How do you know? Who decides? Have they seen All The Art?)

And that there's no possibility that our understanding what constitutes the canon is just as subject to ideology - plus fashion, taste, power, wealth - as anything else.

Or are you saying that things should be studied ONLY in descending order of value, as you perceive it? So Shakespeare first, and then eventually when you're about 30 you might be allowed to move on to Toni Morrison?

Or is it simply because it's older? Because I see you're not calling for everyone to study pre-Columbian art before they tackle Carl Andre.

So confused.

I'm the OH of a Renaissance art obsessive, an artist myself, and someone who is by no means uncritical of the current state of arts/humanities/fine art education and the contemporary art scene. I cannot imagine invoking 'the canon' uncritically - to hear you do so makes the rest of your argument not worth the candle imv.

As someone who studied Renaissance literature, I don’t feel particularly enriched by it and have ended up in a very corporate career.

But can I say that it didn’t help me to have a successful career? I don’t think I can, who knows how these things work. I do have a love of language which does help my career.

thestudio · Yesterday 18:03

Ceramiq · Yesterday 11:44

An example: students learning about global conceptual art and remaining ignorant of the Renaissance.

This is hilarious.

Why on earth should anyone have to plough through the Renaissance before examining 'global' (you mean 'not white', I guess, because global is a strange word to use here otherwise) conceptual art?

The extent to which the latter reacts against the former can be explained in 500 words I should think. The movements immediately preceding conceptualism are useful to understand - but there's no sense in which conceptual art cannot be understood without a detailed grounding in Renaissance art.

So you must be saying that there is something intrinsic to 'the canon', and the Renaissance in particular ,that makes it more valuable than other forms of art (How do you know? Who decides? Have they seen All The Art?)

And that there's no possibility that our understanding what constitutes the canon is just as subject to ideology - plus fashion, taste, power, wealth - as anything else.

Or are you saying that things should be studied ONLY in descending order of value, as you perceive it? So Shakespeare first, and then eventually when you're about 30 you might be allowed to move on to Toni Morrison?

Or is it simply because it's older? Because I see you're not calling for everyone to study pre-Columbian art before they tackle Carl Andre.

So confused.

I'm the OH of a Renaissance art obsessive, an artist myself, and someone who is by no means uncritical of the current state of arts/humanities/fine art education and the contemporary art scene. I cannot imagine invoking 'the canon' uncritically - to hear you do so makes the rest of your argument not worth the candle imv.

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 18:02

snurtifier · Yesterday 17:57

It is interesting that everyone with sympathy for Jason Arday is queueing up to dismiss Nathan Cofnas as racist, apparently on the basis of hearsay and a few quotes taken out of context. Isn't that exactly the sort of witch hunt that they are objecting to in Arday's case?

Cofnas' work on race and intelligence is undoubtedly troubling and morally challenging, but surely it's the duty of philosophy to confront difficult questions rather than to pretend they don't exist.

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He said "under a true meritocracy black people would “disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment"

What is the context that would make that acceptable and not racist?

Buzzingabout · Yesterday 18:01

Please do not let it. You know yourself that you are legitimate and I am sure those around you know this too. Very often one finds one’s hero’s turn out to have feet of clay. There are many other clever autistic academics and successful people from non academia who you can find to look up to instead. Chin up!

snurtifier · Yesterday 17:57

It is interesting that everyone with sympathy for Jason Arday is queueing up to dismiss Nathan Cofnas as racist, apparently on the basis of hearsay and a few quotes taken out of context. Isn't that exactly the sort of witch hunt that they are objecting to in Arday's case?

Cofnas' work on race and intelligence is undoubtedly troubling and morally challenging, but surely it's the duty of philosophy to confront difficult questions rather than to pretend they don't exist.

MonstrousRegimentRocks · Yesterday 17:46

Chenecinquantecinq · Yesterday 17:28

For anyone arguing in favour of him read some of the actual shit that they believed, even my elderly parents in their 80's would not have fallen for it 😂

Utter rot has set in at most of our Universities Cambridge leading the way!

It's unbelievable, isn't it? What on earth has happened to Cambridge University?

AChunkOfPurestGreenMilady · Yesterday 17:43

Angeruish · Yesterday 17:36

...the rest of the university faculty is overwhelmingly populated by middle-aged white blokes ...

Simply not true.

You can't always tell from the names, and not everybody has photos, but the first SIXTEEN of the people in the education faculty listed below appeared to me to be women:
https://faculty.educ.cam.ac.uk/about-us/our-people

And a good number of them are definitely not white.

Fair point, but not the case across the other departments? The university obviously feels it has some ground to make up or we wouldn't be having this conversation ...

AInightingale · Yesterday 17:41

I can't wait to read the book. Not his ridiculous memoir - I mean the book a good investigative journalist is probably planning right now. It will be fascinating. when the whole sorry tale is properly researched and written down.

AChunkOfPurestGreenMilady · Yesterday 17:36

croisette · Yesterday 17:27

What did trinity have to do with it; thought he was a fellow of Jesus?

He was. I shouldn't multitask - it never ends well!

Angeruish · Yesterday 17:36

AChunkOfPurestGreenMilady · Yesterday 17:04

Well, obviously not, as JA's appointment was a bit of stunt casting designed to draw attention away from the fact that the rest of the university faculty is overwhelmingly populated by middle-aged white blokes ...

The fact that no-one bothered to check his bona fides beforehand shows he was diversity window-dressing and reflects badly on everyone involved.

...the rest of the university faculty is overwhelmingly populated by middle-aged white blokes ...

Simply not true.

You can't always tell from the names, and not everybody has photos, but the first SIXTEEN of the people in the education faculty listed below appeared to me to be women:
https://faculty.educ.cam.ac.uk/about-us/our-people

And a good number of them are definitely not white.

Our people | Faculty of Education

https://faculty.educ.cam.ac.uk/about-us/our-people

Ceramiq · Yesterday 17:33

Chenecinquantecinq · Yesterday 17:28

For anyone arguing in favour of him read some of the actual shit that they believed, even my elderly parents in their 80's would not have fallen for it 😂

Utter rot has set in at most of our Universities Cambridge leading the way!

IME older people are less vulnerable to woke comms than younger people. There comes a point in life when you've accumulated quite a lot of experience ;)

AngolanFish · Yesterday 17:32

DEI hire

Chenecinquantecinq · Yesterday 17:28

For anyone arguing in favour of him read some of the actual shit that they believed, even my elderly parents in their 80's would not have fallen for it 😂

Utter rot has set in at most of our Universities Cambridge leading the way!

croisette · Yesterday 17:27

AChunkOfPurestGreenMilady · Yesterday 09:09

If he was a middle-aged white bloke from a provincial university who was found to have skimpt on his citations and juiced up his cv absolutely no-one in the wider world would give a monkey's, and there certainly wouldn't be a big fuss in the media when he resigned.
That said, Trinity should have looked harder at his credentials - this is an absolute open goal for the diversity critics.

What did trinity have to do with it; thought he was a fellow of Jesus?

croisette · Yesterday 17:25

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 06:53

Oxford. Oxbridge is reaping what it sows. What a great example to be setting children who are told study pays off.

he was a student and president elect of the union attending a Q&A not a formal debate (where casual clothes are acceptable) but don’t let that stop you dragging something totally irrelevant in

Chenecinquantecinq · Yesterday 17:25

DEI/WOKE is almost dead thank God.

Have you seen the videos of the idiotic middle aged white women fawning over him (can't decide if their is some Freudian shit going on)

Watch some of the recording of him utterly embarrassing, any idiot could see he's a fraud.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · Yesterday 17:20

Noodledog · Yesterday 17:18

Yeah, there are plenty of respected black academics who could work at Cambridge, but the university bureaucracy wanted a quick fix and someone they could parade as evidence of their sincerity and righteousness (for example the current president of Wolfson college is a black woman who is very highly respected in her field)

I work in a field where women are massively underrepresented, but I would hate this kind of appointment being made- it's frankly insulting and leads to bias against the very people the bureaucracy claim to be helping.

According to Julie Bindel she knows of at least 2 female academics from disadvantaged backgrounds who were passed over for this guy.

AChunkOfPurestGreenMilady · Yesterday 17:19

Temporal · Yesterday 17:06

Middle aged white blokes who deserve to be there. They've, you know, done the work that gets rewarded by being employed by Cambridge.

Which is absolutely as it should be! Do the work, get the accolades.

Noodledog · Yesterday 17:18

AChunkOfPurestGreenMilady · Yesterday 17:04

Well, obviously not, as JA's appointment was a bit of stunt casting designed to draw attention away from the fact that the rest of the university faculty is overwhelmingly populated by middle-aged white blokes ...

The fact that no-one bothered to check his bona fides beforehand shows he was diversity window-dressing and reflects badly on everyone involved.

Yeah, there are plenty of respected black academics who could work at Cambridge, but the university bureaucracy wanted a quick fix and someone they could parade as evidence of their sincerity and righteousness (for example the current president of Wolfson college is a black woman who is very highly respected in her field)

I work in a field where women are massively underrepresented, but I would hate this kind of appointment being made- it's frankly insulting and leads to bias against the very people the bureaucracy claim to be helping.

nomas · Yesterday 17:12

Temporal · Yesterday 17:06

Middle aged white blokes who deserve to be there. They've, you know, done the work that gets rewarded by being employed by Cambridge.

You don’t really know that though…

38thparallel · Yesterday 17:09

Cambridge was the alma mater of at least 5 of the top spies to have betrayed this country 60+ years ago and they survived that.

@JudgeJ yes indeed. And knowingly sent their own countrymen to their death.
There is a recently published book that goes into their treachery resulting in deaths and torture of people who trusted them - Stalin's Apostles: The Cambridge Five and the Making of the Soviet Empire (2026) by Antonia Senior.
Before that they got off lightly, because they were, you know, idealists and left wing and after all the Soviet Union was anti fascist and made sure everyone had jobs and houses and meant well……(even if Stalin murdered and starved millions of their citizens).
Had they spied for fascists it would’ve have been a different story.

Temporal · Yesterday 17:06

AChunkOfPurestGreenMilady · Yesterday 17:04

Well, obviously not, as JA's appointment was a bit of stunt casting designed to draw attention away from the fact that the rest of the university faculty is overwhelmingly populated by middle-aged white blokes ...

The fact that no-one bothered to check his bona fides beforehand shows he was diversity window-dressing and reflects badly on everyone involved.

Middle aged white blokes who deserve to be there. They've, you know, done the work that gets rewarded by being employed by Cambridge.

AChunkOfPurestGreenMilady · Yesterday 17:04

Manxexile · Yesterday 14:28

A middle aged white bloke in that situation would not have been appointed in the first place.

that's the whole point...

Well, obviously not, as JA's appointment was a bit of stunt casting designed to draw attention away from the fact that the rest of the university faculty is overwhelmingly populated by middle-aged white blokes ...

The fact that no-one bothered to check his bona fides beforehand shows he was diversity window-dressing and reflects badly on everyone involved.