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The Jason Arday scandal

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Ilikesundays · 06/08/2026 21:55

To think that Cambridge University’s reputation has been shot to pieces by the revelations about ex-professor Jason Arday?

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DuchessDandelion · Yesterday 19:49

@LifeBeginsToday don't be discouraged, academia brims with the neurodivergent.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 19:44

SevenYellowHammers · Yesterday 18:29

Ok, I read the Guardian article last night and felt it was more about questioning what could have happened than being particularly accusatory. The way I read it was that the young man was built up perhaps promoted before his time because Cambridge desperately wanted to smoke screen their woeful diversity record. Which smacks of racism.

But we all experience being a bit out of our depth sometimes, no?

The reason I feel that JA has treated unfairly is that he’s been subject to more scrutiny than his white middle class peers.

I also watched Krishna Guru-Murthy’s longish interview with JA and I thought it was impressive. He’s articulate but uses accessible language; much like Professor Brian Cox who makes complicated physics easy to understand.

You could argue it’s dumbing down but on other hand it could encourage people to go on to more high brow reading.

Nathan Cofnas who is JA’s main adversary said: [black people would] disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment" in a true NeroHe’s clearly using Jason (I did cut and paste that quote just to be clear. 😜 It sounds like he’s worked hard at getting this case to fit his hypothesis.

In essence, having read around case as much as I’ve time for (not a lot), I do believe Jason has been victim of a witch hunt. I also believe that plagiarism needs a proper sort out because using AI to say something was likely plagiarism doesn’t cut it for me. Remember AI is unreliable and tries to give the answers it wants in order to keep you consuming.

Finally, truth seems to be an increasingly intangible commodity these days. It seemed obvious that Lucy Letby was guilty once didn’t it? Now people are not so sure. I admit my reasoning is based on hunch as well as reading around case. But it wouldn’t be the first time that a young black man was set up, would it?

I have heard it all now - a young black man has been set up. Absolutely unreal.

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 19:43

snurtifier · Yesterday 18:29

A fuller quote from the blog post in question reads:

Under a colorblind system that judged applicants only by academic qualifications, blacks would make up 0.7% of Harvard students. (Even that might be an overestimate, since high-school credentials are sometimes given a boost by affirmative action.) In a meritocracy, Harvard faculty would be recruited from the best of the best students, which means the number of black professors would approach 0%. Blacks would disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment.

I don't think he's making a moral claim there. He's pointing out the consequences of abolishing affirmative action and DEI, given the current levels of educational attainment among different ethnic groups in the US. (He goes on to suggest that this is a reason not to do it, because it would lead to too great a backlash.)

Having said that, his politics clearly are very right-wing.

Like I say, it's a troubling case. Is it an example of fearless truth-centred inquiry to analyse the scientific literature around race and IQ, as he has, and conclude that there's a hereditary link? Or is it an academic fig leaf for racism? I don't know, but I like to think that if the latter is the case it ought to be possible to refute his position intellectually rather than just dismissing it because it's poitically unacceptable.

The fuller quote isn't context that justifies the claim though.

Under a colorblind system that judged applicants only by academic qualifications, blacks would make up 0.7% of Harvard students. (Even that might be an overestimate, since high-school credentials are sometimes given a boost by affirmative action.) In a meritocracy, Harvard faculty would be recruited from the best of the best students, which means the number of black professors would approach 0%.

Why is the 'meritocracy' standard assumed to be academic success alone? The link shows that Harvard recruits based also on a six-point personal rating, a six-point athletics rating, and a six-point extracurricular one. Is a person who scores perfectly in exams but who is just hothoused with no outside interests who can't relate to other people better suited to being a Harvard student or professor? In his blog post he doesn't even mention the other criteria and leaves it to the reader to assume that the other ways of measuring the suitability of a Harvard candidate are merely 'woke' and not at all valid.

Blacks would disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment.

So he neatly segues from his assertion about a meritocracy at Harvard into a general assertion about all high profile positions, as if Harvard is a microcosm of society and as if extreme academic success ought to be the only requirement to attain any high profile position in a meritocracy (outside of sports and entertainment which I assume he begrudgingly admits require athleticism or performance skills more than good SATs). But that's clearly not true.

I mean, you're saying that the context makes it less racist, but imo it makes it not only racist, but also stupid. If this dildo were working in a meritocracy, he certainly wouldn't have any academic appointment, and not just because he is expressing difficult ideas, but because his arguments are terrible.

Jane379 · Yesterday 19:27

snurtifier · Yesterday 18:29

A fuller quote from the blog post in question reads:

Under a colorblind system that judged applicants only by academic qualifications, blacks would make up 0.7% of Harvard students. (Even that might be an overestimate, since high-school credentials are sometimes given a boost by affirmative action.) In a meritocracy, Harvard faculty would be recruited from the best of the best students, which means the number of black professors would approach 0%. Blacks would disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment.

I don't think he's making a moral claim there. He's pointing out the consequences of abolishing affirmative action and DEI, given the current levels of educational attainment among different ethnic groups in the US. (He goes on to suggest that this is a reason not to do it, because it would lead to too great a backlash.)

Having said that, his politics clearly are very right-wing.

Like I say, it's a troubling case. Is it an example of fearless truth-centred inquiry to analyse the scientific literature around race and IQ, as he has, and conclude that there's a hereditary link? Or is it an academic fig leaf for racism? I don't know, but I like to think that if the latter is the case it ought to be possible to refute his position intellectually rather than just dismissing it because it's poitically unacceptable.

'if the latter is the case it ought to be possible to refute his position intellectually'

  • I think it is. I'm not an expert but a lot of Cofnas' points seem similar to The Bell Curve which has been critiqued by Thomas Sowell among others. More generally, from what I've seen on Substack (where there are a lot of these types) a lot of them rely on data collected by Richard Lynn on IQ which has quite a few flaws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn

Richard Lynn - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn

Dutch1e · Yesterday 19:26

LifeBeginsToday · Yesterday 07:32

This is really sad. I am an autistic academic and looked up to him to what can be achieved. To see that it was all lies has shaken me.

The achievements stand regardless.

Say what you like about the man, he aimed high. I quite like the entire story, it's like a real-time version of the story behind the movie Catch Me If You Can, and really shows how many flaws there are in academia as a whole.

(Not the intelligence or the dedication of academics, I mean the system as a shaky whole).

DuchessDandelion · Yesterday 19:21

Angeruish · Yesterday 19:19

That's just not true. Any such numbers were vanishingly small.

But the media and others have decided they are going to convince you otherwise, to justify the current situation.

I can't imagine I am going to convince you otherwise, and shall not bother trying.

Not the media, contemporary evidence dating back through Georgian, early modern and medieval periods.

Talkinpeace · Yesterday 19:19

Friday night entertainment for the wonderful Mumsnet hive mind

https://x.com/GrumpyOW/status/2085743542291296679
Class photo time .... More details of which Sunday school he was chatty at ...

Also
When DID he buy his dreads
https://x.com/AjaTheEmpress/status/2085716564884562417

Sidsy (@GrumpyOW) on X

Tik Tok account says he was at Heathbrook Primary School with Jason Arday who was far from mute...

https://x.com/GrumpyOW/status/2085743542291296679

Angeruish · Yesterday 19:19

DuchessDandelion · Yesterday 19:11

Your statements are objectively wrong, to pull out just two: there may not have been massive plantations, but there were black slaves in the UK and black people have been present in these lands throughout history.

That's just not true. Any such numbers were vanishingly small.

But the media and others have decided they are going to convince you otherwise, to justify the current situation.

I can't imagine I am going to convince you otherwise, and shall not bother trying.

Noodledog · Yesterday 19:18

My favourite claim by Jason Arday is that soon after his doctorate, he lost all memory of it due to a medical issue (I think it might be a brain tumour?)

I mean, it's a fantastic way of getting out of defending it, provided of course you can find people gullible enough to believe it 😁

FOJN · Yesterday 19:17

Chenecinquantecinq · Yesterday 17:28

For anyone arguing in favour of him read some of the actual shit that they believed, even my elderly parents in their 80's would not have fallen for it 😂

Utter rot has set in at most of our Universities Cambridge leading the way!

One of his biggest supporters at Cambridge was Simon Baron Cohen who happens to be Sasha's cousin. The absurdity of it all is very Sasha Baron Cohen.

His memoir is released on the 11th.

🤔

DuchessDandelion · Yesterday 19:11

Angeruish · Yesterday 18:41

Exactly.

I don't think most British people born before 1990 (?) had even heard of Rosa Parks growing up. But everyone born since has been force fed stories of her, almost as if she were one of our own.

George Floyd was American. The BLM movement came from him.

American footballer Colin Kaepernick was the first to take the knee before a match. For a time it looked as if it was compulsory in Premier League matches.

Even the dreaded n-word is American, whereas forty years ago it was only known as something from Huckleberry Finn.

Nearly all the rap songs that use the n-word, and call for attacks on the police, are American.

British society has swallowed American views on all of this. Whole and undigested.

I wonder how many current British schoolchildren realise that there were never black slaves in the UK? That there were effectively no black people here until the 1950s? That the 1960s may have been characterised by the civil rights movement across the Atlantic, where there was still massive discrimination, but here we were swinging and it was all about mini skirts, Profumo, the Beatles and the end of the Chatterly ban.

History is being rewritten before our eyes, and we are being forced to sign up to American guilt.

Your statements are objectively wrong, to pull out just two: there may not have been massive plantations, but there were black slaves in the UK and black people have been present in these lands throughout history.

Angeruish · Yesterday 19:09

SevenYellowHammers · Yesterday 18:29

Ok, I read the Guardian article last night and felt it was more about questioning what could have happened than being particularly accusatory. The way I read it was that the young man was built up perhaps promoted before his time because Cambridge desperately wanted to smoke screen their woeful diversity record. Which smacks of racism.

But we all experience being a bit out of our depth sometimes, no?

The reason I feel that JA has treated unfairly is that he’s been subject to more scrutiny than his white middle class peers.

I also watched Krishna Guru-Murthy’s longish interview with JA and I thought it was impressive. He’s articulate but uses accessible language; much like Professor Brian Cox who makes complicated physics easy to understand.

You could argue it’s dumbing down but on other hand it could encourage people to go on to more high brow reading.

Nathan Cofnas who is JA’s main adversary said: [black people would] disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment" in a true NeroHe’s clearly using Jason (I did cut and paste that quote just to be clear. 😜 It sounds like he’s worked hard at getting this case to fit his hypothesis.

In essence, having read around case as much as I’ve time for (not a lot), I do believe Jason has been victim of a witch hunt. I also believe that plagiarism needs a proper sort out because using AI to say something was likely plagiarism doesn’t cut it for me. Remember AI is unreliable and tries to give the answers it wants in order to keep you consuming.

Finally, truth seems to be an increasingly intangible commodity these days. It seemed obvious that Lucy Letby was guilty once didn’t it? Now people are not so sure. I admit my reasoning is based on hunch as well as reading around case. But it wouldn’t be the first time that a young black man was set up, would it?

Promoted before his time? A bit out of his depth?

Get real!

I really think you ought to dip into the article on the Atlantic posted earlier: https://archive.ph/SA5Gc

So added to all the stuff we have already seen, we find these new claims:

  • he was in a coma for several months after a car accident
  • his parents were advised to take him off life support "as an act of mercy"
  • he was physically abused by his speech therapist
  • he typed up his dissertation at the same time as claiming only to have the reading standard of his three-year-old daughter
  • he claims to have had testicular cancer (in addition to one, or two brain tumours)
  • he testified in court to save the people who once mugged him
  • two of them then reappeared as his students (despite apparently being four years older than him) - saying he had changed their lives around
  • he became godfather to one of the men's children

He admits to not being very good at maths. Which is clearly why none of this adds up.

So you end up with a simple choice:

Is this somebody who should be treated like a lying child with an over-active imagination (in which case he definitely shouldn't be given a Cambridge chair, and instead offered extensive medical therapy)?

Or is this somebody who should be treated like an adult? (in which case he should be removed from his Cambridge chair for plagiarism and lying, which cost somebody, somewhere, a good job)

Angeruish · Yesterday 18:41

Ceramiq · Yesterday 18:21

I very much agree that the transposition of American opinons about race the to the UK context is unhelpful and is the root of a great deal of misunderstanding of ethnic relative disadvantage in the UK.

Exactly.

I don't think most British people born before 1990 (?) had even heard of Rosa Parks growing up. But everyone born since has been force fed stories of her, almost as if she were one of our own.

George Floyd was American. The BLM movement came from him.

American footballer Colin Kaepernick was the first to take the knee before a match. For a time it looked as if it was compulsory in Premier League matches.

Even the dreaded n-word is American, whereas forty years ago it was only known as something from Huckleberry Finn.

Nearly all the rap songs that use the n-word, and call for attacks on the police, are American.

British society has swallowed American views on all of this. Whole and undigested.

I wonder how many current British schoolchildren realise that there were never black slaves in the UK? That there were effectively no black people here until the 1950s? That the 1960s may have been characterised by the civil rights movement across the Atlantic, where there was still massive discrimination, but here we were swinging and it was all about mini skirts, Profumo, the Beatles and the end of the Chatterly ban.

History is being rewritten before our eyes, and we are being forced to sign up to American guilt.

Ceramiq · Yesterday 18:37

Noodledog · Yesterday 18:35

The problem for universities is that academic careers develop over decades, there is no quick fix to problems of underrepresentation.

Ironically, Cambridge have put a lot of effort into widening access, which imo is the only effective way to address things.

I agree that there is no quick fix when the pipeline is weak. Trying to solve the problem by appointing poorly qualified people to posts backfires when they aren't up to the job.

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:36

snurtifier · Yesterday 18:29

A fuller quote from the blog post in question reads:

Under a colorblind system that judged applicants only by academic qualifications, blacks would make up 0.7% of Harvard students. (Even that might be an overestimate, since high-school credentials are sometimes given a boost by affirmative action.) In a meritocracy, Harvard faculty would be recruited from the best of the best students, which means the number of black professors would approach 0%. Blacks would disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment.

I don't think he's making a moral claim there. He's pointing out the consequences of abolishing affirmative action and DEI, given the current levels of educational attainment among different ethnic groups in the US. (He goes on to suggest that this is a reason not to do it, because it would lead to too great a backlash.)

Having said that, his politics clearly are very right-wing.

Like I say, it's a troubling case. Is it an example of fearless truth-centred inquiry to analyse the scientific literature around race and IQ, as he has, and conclude that there's a hereditary link? Or is it an academic fig leaf for racism? I don't know, but I like to think that if the latter is the case it ought to be possible to refute his position intellectually rather than just dismissing it because it's poitically unacceptable.

Interesting. In context it is quite different from the out of context quotes.

Noodledog · Yesterday 18:35

The problem for universities is that academic careers develop over decades, there is no quick fix to problems of underrepresentation.

Ironically, Cambridge have put a lot of effort into widening access, which imo is the only effective way to address things.

snurtifier · Yesterday 18:29

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 18:02

He said "under a true meritocracy black people would “disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment"

What is the context that would make that acceptable and not racist?

A fuller quote from the blog post in question reads:

Under a colorblind system that judged applicants only by academic qualifications, blacks would make up 0.7% of Harvard students. (Even that might be an overestimate, since high-school credentials are sometimes given a boost by affirmative action.) In a meritocracy, Harvard faculty would be recruited from the best of the best students, which means the number of black professors would approach 0%. Blacks would disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment.

I don't think he's making a moral claim there. He's pointing out the consequences of abolishing affirmative action and DEI, given the current levels of educational attainment among different ethnic groups in the US. (He goes on to suggest that this is a reason not to do it, because it would lead to too great a backlash.)

Having said that, his politics clearly are very right-wing.

Like I say, it's a troubling case. Is it an example of fearless truth-centred inquiry to analyse the scientific literature around race and IQ, as he has, and conclude that there's a hereditary link? Or is it an academic fig leaf for racism? I don't know, but I like to think that if the latter is the case it ought to be possible to refute his position intellectually rather than just dismissing it because it's poitically unacceptable.

SevenYellowHammers · Yesterday 18:29

85reasons · Yesterday 14:10

It's not just the right wing press, the Guardian running a big piece on it was a critical turning point last week.

Three degrees from good unis? He claims to have had the reading ability of a 3 year old whilst doing his undergrad, that he needs to use "mimicry" because of his autism, is accused of having plundered quotes from other people's research and pretend they were quotes from interviews with subjects he had conducted himself, and frankly - if you've seen any interview footage of him at all, I'd be disappointed in his intellect if I met him at a sixth form parents evening and realised he was responsible for teaching my children.

Ok, I read the Guardian article last night and felt it was more about questioning what could have happened than being particularly accusatory. The way I read it was that the young man was built up perhaps promoted before his time because Cambridge desperately wanted to smoke screen their woeful diversity record. Which smacks of racism.

But we all experience being a bit out of our depth sometimes, no?

The reason I feel that JA has treated unfairly is that he’s been subject to more scrutiny than his white middle class peers.

I also watched Krishna Guru-Murthy’s longish interview with JA and I thought it was impressive. He’s articulate but uses accessible language; much like Professor Brian Cox who makes complicated physics easy to understand.

You could argue it’s dumbing down but on other hand it could encourage people to go on to more high brow reading.

Nathan Cofnas who is JA’s main adversary said: [black people would] disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment" in a true NeroHe’s clearly using Jason (I did cut and paste that quote just to be clear. 😜 It sounds like he’s worked hard at getting this case to fit his hypothesis.

In essence, having read around case as much as I’ve time for (not a lot), I do believe Jason has been victim of a witch hunt. I also believe that plagiarism needs a proper sort out because using AI to say something was likely plagiarism doesn’t cut it for me. Remember AI is unreliable and tries to give the answers it wants in order to keep you consuming.

Finally, truth seems to be an increasingly intangible commodity these days. It seemed obvious that Lucy Letby was guilty once didn’t it? Now people are not so sure. I admit my reasoning is based on hunch as well as reading around case. But it wouldn’t be the first time that a young black man was set up, would it?

Baileyss · Yesterday 18:23

Jane379 · Yesterday 18:18

I've read his Substack and it seems racist to me, he seems quite aligned with so-called 'human biodiversity' and 'race realism', movements that claim people need to face the truth that black people are on average the least intelligent, with white people in the middle and Asians at the top.

Yes his opinions belongs in the 1950s. Weird to read.

Ceramiq · Yesterday 18:21

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 18:13

There are facts, and there are 'facts' though. He's also American and trying to directly transfer American opinions about race to a UK context is never helpful.

I very much agree that the transposition of American opinons about race the to the UK context is unhelpful and is the root of a great deal of misunderstanding of ethnic relative disadvantage in the UK.

Angeruish · Yesterday 18:19

AChunkOfPurestGreenMilady · Yesterday 17:43

Fair point, but not the case across the other departments? The university obviously feels it has some ground to make up or we wouldn't be having this conversation ...

I agree.

We could do the same exercise with all the departments, and I am fairly sure I would see plenty of brown/Asian faces in the sciences - with very much a preponderance of men - but probably hardly any black ones.

So it falls to the sociologists to save the world and set the balance right.

Jane379 · Yesterday 18:18

snurtifier · Yesterday 17:57

It is interesting that everyone with sympathy for Jason Arday is queueing up to dismiss Nathan Cofnas as racist, apparently on the basis of hearsay and a few quotes taken out of context. Isn't that exactly the sort of witch hunt that they are objecting to in Arday's case?

Cofnas' work on race and intelligence is undoubtedly troubling and morally challenging, but surely it's the duty of philosophy to confront difficult questions rather than to pretend they don't exist.

Edited

I've read his Substack and it seems racist to me, he seems quite aligned with so-called 'human biodiversity' and 'race realism', movements that claim people need to face the truth that black people are on average the least intelligent, with white people in the middle and Asians at the top.

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 18:13

Noodledog · Yesterday 18:10

Cofnas is undoubtedly a racist, but IMO it's always better to defeat an argument with logic and facts. Unfortunately, refusing to engage with a racist because they are racist just leads to some people believing not having a discussion is because there are facts behind his opinion that people are unable to address.

There are facts, and there are 'facts' though. He's also American and trying to directly transfer American opinions about race to a UK context is never helpful.

PollysKenwood · Yesterday 18:12

Sorry - derail.

PollysKenwood · Yesterday 18:12

For those talking about the move to focus on “hard science”, as we have far more people going to university, even if the % of those studying arts and humanities fails, we’ll surely still have far more people in absolute terms who have studied these subjects than 30 years ago As we have a much smaller manufacturing base and fewer young people leaving school to work in skilled trades, it’s knowledge of the “‘making/fixing/science” side of things overall that has declined.. At my DCs school, there are usually a few kids who want to be doctors, several engineers and the rest look at various arts/sciences. Psychology seemed to be the main course of choice a few years ago but now it seems to be international relations.