AIBU to think PC Harper's killers being released early is awful?

They'll offend again and be back inside. The sooner the better.

I was thinking the same, surely they aren't eligible if they've never shown remorse etc.

But there must be other people who are less dangerous who could be released first. I just don't get it.

It does seem incredible particularly as a pp linked earlier that the site where the feral criminals lived had a £4.5m public money funded revamp. Put the 4.5m towards secure buildings not snazzing up these sites producing violent criminals.

I said that upthread. It'd never work apparently as how will we know if foreign countries continue the sentence. The pp seemingly unaware of negotiations and making deals is exactly what governments should be doing not sending killers on their way with a now you be good rap on the knuckles.

It’s an absolute disgrace to even consider them fit for release. I’ve already signed a petition against it. I hope they serve their full sentence.

Thames Valley Police considering taking legal action against the government over the release of Bowers and Cole.

Chief of Pc Harper’s force considers legal block on killers’ release

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1422ee36cbec8a08

Why don’t they immediately deport all foreign nationals in British prisons . Obviously not terrorists or murderers. That would free up space and to be honest they have proved they should not have leave to remain here .

I certainly do not understand why the men in charge are even considering releasing violent prisoners, even if it is of the kind of violence that affects women more than men, while there are petty thieves there that could be released first. Do they give a shit about law and order in this country or not, and if not how do we break the country up into regions that will.

I was looking at the graph of imprisonment shown on newsnight last night and I don’t understand the premise that prison places will increase over the next few years. Looking at the last few years, the numbers have bounced up and down but a broadly straight line trajectory across the period. Then suddenly from next year there is predicted a precipitous rise.

Ive not seen any explanation of the modelling for this.

Secondly, if the modelling IS correct, over 36% of places in the women prison estate is for theft from shops. (It’s 2-3% in male estate). About half of the steady long term women prisoners are there for violence offences, but the rest fall to drugs- usually tied to addiction and or coercive control by men. The women’s estate is small, but I think c. 2000 places could be freed up if these women were released instead.

I don’t believe the S Act cannot be quickly amended to carve out the small group of further offences these criminals fall into- I would be looking at something based on aggravating features and link to emergency workers, almost makes it bespoke. I do wonder what other awful crimes committed by criminals this Act will release which haven’t hit the headlines or don’t have the advocacy PC Harper has. I’m really sorry for victims and their families who will be affected by this, it doesn’t feel like justice, does it?

Why focus on one murder are there not other murderers potentially set for release? It would make more of an impact if they said 40 murderers set for early release rather than focus on one police officers death especially since there is a lot of negative feelings towards the police lately (yes im sure he was "one of the good ones" but people see a uniform first)

And soon that will be the only type of justice that people will feel they can rely on as they watch grinning, champagne popping criminals who should still be in jail, slide and creep, leering, around their streets.

Badly thought through in more ways than one. Still, what do you expect from a pig but a grunt!

The manner of his death was horrific and the thought of his suffering must be a constant torment to his poor family.

I wonder why it is impossible to build new prisons. They seem to be able to throw up whole hosing estates in less than three months.

In what world, does anyone with even the wit with of a portly hamster, see that prisons are becoming overcrowded and shout, " I know! Let's release the prisoners! Drinks all round!

Instead of shouting, " I know! Let's build more prisons!"

It is actually how the law works. Watch, I fought the law (Ann Ming mother of Julie). Abuse such as coercive control didn't fit in, so laws were changed and new ones made. The new Hillsborough law is another example. Hate speech was extended from a previous law. I've longed believed that passengers should bare responsibility about the cars they get in. We hold women responsible when their partner stashes drugs in the house.
There's enough men to release who are the perpetual shoplifters etc because of drugs. Those who committed fraud and similar non violent offences. Then we have the criminals from outside of the UK. We need residential rehab akin to prison. Deport the four thousand non citizens. Tbh, most women prisons could be emptied and put the men in there. It isn't fair that women are getting custodial sentences for a lot less than men, because men's prisons are full.

It's a chat forum, we aren't in a court of law. Like all the other threads on here we share opinion. Hope that helps.

I was actually responding to a pp who thought the other 2 were oblivious innocent passengers, they had no idea what was going on it was <checks notes> maybe a stick?

'Lynch mob mentality'
Yes it's horrific isn't it, feral criminals. None of the 3 have ever shown any remorse. You'd think that would count in this lovely get of jail free system wouldn't you?!

You’re a mind reader now? Fortunately clairvoyance isn’t admissible in a court of law.

Haven't you heard of joint enterprise? They knew exactly what was going on.

Lynch mob mentality.

The two under consideration for early release were NOT driving the car! They were passengers. Hence the manslaughter conviction. Why do we find it so difficult to comprehend the difference?

So you can't prove it then, and you are indeed full of hot air.

Thank you for confirming.

So you admit you've let PC Harper and his family down just as badly then?

Good to know.

Maybe you can spearhead the retrial, since you know so much? No?

'A branch'. Fgs. A16 stone branch. Were you on the jury?!