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Job market is awful

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Flowerpowerz · 03/08/2026 19:34

I work in pharma (general field) and the job market is horrendous. I’m seeing a huge trend towards AI which is not surprising. Perhaps more concerning is the massive uptick of offshore partners aka shipping work out to India because they are cheaper than people in the uk and USA. I have several friends in several related companies (technology, IT, coding) that have lost jobs due to this. They are being expected to share knowledge with their Indian colleagues before their redundancy kicks in.

I have honestly never known it so bad. My linked in is a sea of “open to work”

is it just me or has anyone else noticed these trends? It’s worse than ever

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Bathroomphilosopher · 04/08/2026 14:30

StandingDeskDisco · 04/08/2026 11:38

The only way to introduce UBI is to set it at subsistence level: the same rate as a single person Universal Credit payment is currently.
That way, it replaces UC, basic state pension, and most benefits. It also replaces some or all of the income tax personal allowance. So people already in work would see no change except their payslip would show UBI offset by tax, with net pay the same.
So for most people, their income would not change, whether it is from current benefits, pensions, or working.
There would be massive savings in benefits staff, with removal of all those staff required to check up on making sure people are looking for work. The requirement to look for work would be removed. For lower levels of sickness or disability, the requirement for medical evidence would be removed, so more staff savings.
The extra cost of the scheme would be those who currently have no income, e.g. SAHP being supported by a partner, who would get UBI.

Housing benefit and higher rate disability benefits would have to remain in place. There may also be a need to keep UC payments for children.

Most people will not be happy to live on a pittance of UBI, so will still want to go out to work. But if the jobs are not there, you would have to survive on UBI just as people now have to survive on UC.

Housing benefit and higher rate disability benefits would have to remain in place. There may also be a need to keep UC payments for children

If you are keeping housing benefits, disability benefits and family related benefits under UBI then you are keeping nearly all of the benefits structure and associated staff, AND have the cost of paying UBI to those who currently do not get it as their savings are too high (and you only need a few K in savings to start having benefits reduced) or their partner's income is too high.

It sounds like an expensive policy!!

Bathroomphilosopher · 04/08/2026 14:23

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 10:30

We can all open a vape shop on the high street or become Turkish barbers

It's actually really hard to become a barber as once you have qualified you need a barber to take you on and they tend to be family run businesses that don't employ outsiders. I know someone whose son (white british) trained as a barber but only had one interview and the guy said it was a good cut but he chose someone with more experience. He just gave up trying after so many knock backs and took a job as a security guard.

amala18 · 04/08/2026 14:20

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 14:15

That will just become the norm then. Since poverty is relative, when everyone is poor, noone will be poor.

Earth is hard isn't it.

I grew up in poverty of money, and total poverty of love, which I think is the real poverty. No one cared about me

However I think I can't really complain as at least I didn't grow up in a war torn country. So many people have it so hard.

I do sometimes wonder: is the child in a really poor but loving family in Africa, more unhappy than a child in a family that is less poor in Europe but who's parents don't love them. We all go through so much. Just being alive is hard

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 14:15

cityliving99 · 04/08/2026 14:06

Really? What planet do you live on?
There are teens at my school who have never been on holiday, have second hand phones and have a pretty low standard of living.
Open your eyes a little….

That will just become the norm then. Since poverty is relative, when everyone is poor, noone will be poor.

cityliving99 · 04/08/2026 14:06

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 13:54

People in the YooKay are just going to have to accept a lower standard of living. Not everyone will be able to have a car or go on foreign holidays or change their mobile phone every year or have macciedees delivered every day.

Really? What planet do you live on?
There are teens at my school who have never been on holiday, have second hand phones and have a pretty low standard of living.
Open your eyes a little….

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:57

SpaceRaccoon · 04/08/2026 13:52

True, I'm slightly older than you and the whole pension thing focusses the mind.
But honestly, if you're that miserable in England and you know from past expeience how much happier you were in Spain, I'd go for it - you only get the one life after all. Having an EU passport is a tremendous advantage, and I presume you're bilingual?
And yes salaries are lower but so is housing, local taxes, utilities etc.

Thank you, Yes I was happier in Spain.

But money is a worry for us all and I am in a job in England. It's so hard to know what the right thing is to do sometimes.

Should I leave my regular job in the UK - for a chance at happiness. Do I have enough money to fall back on if it goes wrong. I think Im going to spend some time thinking about it. I'll write out a list of pros and cons.

Interestingly a woman that works in the next building to me, is in her forties and just left her job in England to work in real estate in Spain. Its not too late but I think you really have to think it through later in life

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 13:54

People in the YooKay are just going to have to accept a lower standard of living. Not everyone will be able to have a car or go on foreign holidays or change their mobile phone every year or have macciedees delivered every day.

SpaceRaccoon · 04/08/2026 13:52

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:43

I don't need a Digital nomad visa. I have an E.U passport.

I wrote that I worked in 'Teaching english as a second language' before in spain. I don't work in it at the moment in England.

I would like to move back to Spain as I was happier in Spain, but I'm scared as people tell me that the TEFL industry is not always reliable, slightly lower salary, and they prefer to hire younger people

I would love to live in spain again, but now I am in my forties I feel so much more scared about making the wrong decision job wise. you have to really think it through when you are in your forties.

Edited

True, I'm slightly older than you and the whole pension thing focusses the mind.
But honestly, if you're that miserable in England and you know from past expeience how much happier you were in Spain, I'd go for it - you only get the one life after all. Having an EU passport is a tremendous advantage, and I presume you're bilingual?
And yes salaries are lower but so is housing, local taxes, utilities etc.

Maomee · 04/08/2026 13:50

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:36

I wanted to live in England as I thought it would be nice, but I have been unhappy in my life since Ive moved here.

The main thing: is the people. I start to feel like I'm living in a weird zombieland

In other countries, people are so friendly, kind chatty. They help each other along.

In England, many people I've met have been cold, unempathetic and seem completely unable to have a chat.

I went to Ireland last week. I went to a shop.I had never met the person working there. She heard me cough. She said 'ah do you have a cold you poor pet, I had one last week'. Then she started chatting about something else. Just a minor chatty interaaction with a stranger. i went into a cafe then, and the woman also chatted away.

Ive lived in the same town in England for two years. The people have always been unfriendly. I've gone to the same local shop for years. If I mention the weather or anything to get a small bit of chat going, they glare at me. So now I don't say anything.

A woman that I work with has an Italian student staying with her for the summer.

She said the student turned to her and said 'why are the people so weird here in England'

It's the unfriendliness that needs to be changed.

Edited

People are more hostile and insular when their country becomes more diverse culturally etc. You'll find in Ireland and some other friendly countries you're thinking of most people look, dress, speak and behave much more similarly.

SadiraOfTyr · 04/08/2026 13:49

amala18 · 04/08/2026 12:58

I never really understand I.T Jobs. Surely most things in I.T can be detected and fixed automatically?
A lot of coding can be done automatically.
What do I.T people do? So many people seem to be working in I.T

What do IT people do? Well, for the next few months I am designing a high performance compute cluster for a customer. This involves talking to dozens of stakeholders, all of whom will have conflicting views on what the cluster should do and how it will do it. My job is to come up with a cohesive architecture for the cluster that satisfies all of the hundreds of (often conflicting) use cases that the stakeholders have flung at me, while meeting budget constraints, and being in the realms of what is actually possible with the available tech. Then I need to start selecting software stacks that we can actually use to implement those use cases - this is tricky in itself as they often conflict, or have conflicting dependencies. Then I need to create a backlog of work to actually build the cluster physically (compute, network, storage), software deployment and configuration, disaster recovery and business continuity, acceptance testing, and "day 2 operations": monitoring dashboards, logging, scale out, user on/off boarding, quota allocation etc. Then I need to be available for a few months of "high dependency" once the solution is launched in case anything goes wrong.

I have never met anyone else involved in the project in person - in fact none of them even live in the same country as me, and the customer itself is in a country I have never visited.

ThePeppyOpalScroller · 04/08/2026 13:48

StandingDeskDisco · 04/08/2026 11:38

The only way to introduce UBI is to set it at subsistence level: the same rate as a single person Universal Credit payment is currently.
That way, it replaces UC, basic state pension, and most benefits. It also replaces some or all of the income tax personal allowance. So people already in work would see no change except their payslip would show UBI offset by tax, with net pay the same.
So for most people, their income would not change, whether it is from current benefits, pensions, or working.
There would be massive savings in benefits staff, with removal of all those staff required to check up on making sure people are looking for work. The requirement to look for work would be removed. For lower levels of sickness or disability, the requirement for medical evidence would be removed, so more staff savings.
The extra cost of the scheme would be those who currently have no income, e.g. SAHP being supported by a partner, who would get UBI.

Housing benefit and higher rate disability benefits would have to remain in place. There may also be a need to keep UC payments for children.

Most people will not be happy to live on a pittance of UBI, so will still want to go out to work. But if the jobs are not there, you would have to survive on UBI just as people now have to survive on UC.

That's not how UBI works.

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:43

SpaceRaccoon · 04/08/2026 13:40

What work to do you? Can you move to Spain on the digital nomad visa?

I don't need a Digital nomad visa. I have an E.U passport.

I wrote that I worked in 'Teaching english as a second language' before in spain. I don't work in it at the moment in England.

I would like to move back to Spain as I was happier in Spain, but I'm scared as people tell me that the TEFL industry is not always reliable, slightly lower salary, and they prefer to hire younger people

I would love to live in spain again, but now I am in my forties I feel so much more scared about making the wrong decision job wise. you have to really think it through when you are in your forties.

SpaceRaccoon · 04/08/2026 13:40

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:21

Unemployment is low in spain for the specific job market that I am looking at. They always want English teachers (teaching english as a second language) in Spain.

The only thing is that Salary can be low and I'm nervous to move again.

However, the last time I was in Spain on a lower Salary than I am in England, I was so so so much happier in myself. Ive been utterly miserable in England. and I think that is what life is about - finding where you are happy.

I feel I made a wrong move, moving to England, I'm surviving on the money Im on, but Im unhappy all the time.

Im scared to make a move in case I make another wrong decision

I'm scared to make a move. But I wish I was braver sometimes. I see people making huge moves in life, not worrying and just seeing what happens.

Edited

What work to do you? Can you move to Spain on the digital nomad visa?

FinallyMovingHouse · 04/08/2026 13:40

I've recently been offered 2 jobs after looking, applying and interviewing for a year without luck.

The 2 things that helped me were firstly, only applying for jobs with companies/organisations who did not or were not likely to be using huge AI trawls through CVs or applications. I stopped applying for all of those and that definitely helped my hit rate.

The other thing that 'helped' was that my DH lost his job and I had to just be determined that I was putting across that I was the best candidate for the next 2 interviews I had...those were the ones I was offered and I start in a couple of weeks at one of them.

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:36

I wanted to live in England as I thought it would be nice, but I have been unhappy in my life since Ive moved here.

The main thing: is the people. I start to feel like I'm living in a weird zombieland

In other countries, people are so friendly, kind chatty. They help each other along.

In England, many people I've met have been cold, unempathetic and seem completely unable to have a chat.

I went to Ireland last week. I went to a shop.I had never met the person working there. She heard me cough. She said 'ah do you have a cold you poor pet, I had one last week'. Then she started chatting about something else. Just a minor chatty interaaction with a stranger. i went into a cafe then, and the woman also chatted away.

Ive lived in the same town in England for two years. The people have always been unfriendly. I've gone to the same local shop for years. If I mention the weather or anything to get a small bit of chat going, they glare at me. So now I don't say anything.

A woman that I work with has an Italian student staying with her for the summer.

She said the student turned to her and said 'why are the people so weird here in England'

It's the unfriendliness that needs to be changed.

Notkatie · 04/08/2026 13:35

There are people in my department that should have retired years ago but can’t

curiositykilledthiscat · 04/08/2026 13:33

It’s the worst I’ve ever known it and I’m late 40s. I’m in a ‘safe’ industry but after decades of renting I’m buying a (small) house next year and feeling terrified because if I lose my job and can’t find another I’m fucked.

I can’t see things improving. AI and automation are here to stay because when given a choice employers will always prefer not to spend on NI, pension contributions, annual leave etc. Within the next five years I expect there’s going to be a huge downturn in people’s mental health, much worse than what we saw during Covid. If you take away purpose and income then that will hit people really hard.

Savvysix1984 · 04/08/2026 13:26

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 04/08/2026 12:25

I can well understand why young people are choosing to have fewer/no children today, I'm glad I only have one and I'm glad she's learning a language and will be capable of going and living abroad.

No doubt some idiot will be along soon saying we need more young people to pay tax to support the elderly but this is clearly now bollocks. AI + population increase + increasing ill health requiring benefits so no money for government investment has created the perfect storm. I'm not actually sure how we come back from all this as a country.

No wonder so many well qualified young people are leaving, I hope my dd joins them.

I feel so sorry for all those on here desperately trying to get jobs, it must be so worrying.

I’m also glad I have one dc who I will hopefully be able to help if needed. She’s also doing two languages, has a EU passport and hopes to live in Spain for a time when she’s older.

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:25

How to know which way to go in life, which direction to take. I remember my friend saying to me once 'I wish someone would just tell me what to do with my life'

Goatsarebest · 04/08/2026 13:22

amala18 · 04/08/2026 12:58

I never really understand I.T Jobs. Surely most things in I.T can be detected and fixed automatically?
A lot of coding can be done automatically.
What do I.T people do? So many people seem to be working in I.T

Watch the IT crowd. That explains what they do

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:21

IcedPurple · 04/08/2026 13:16

And yet, young Spanish people are leaving the country in large numbers. Unemployment is high and wages are low. Sure, the lifestyle can be great, but not if you can barely afford to get by.

Unemployment is low in spain for the specific job market that I am looking at. They always want English teachers (teaching english as a second language) in Spain.

The only thing is that Salary can be low and I'm nervous to move again.

However, the last time I was in Spain on a lower Salary than I am in England, I was so so so much happier in myself. Ive been utterly miserable in England. and I think that is what life is about - finding where you are happy.

I feel I made a wrong move, moving to England, I'm surviving on the money Im on, but Im unhappy all the time.

Im scared to make a move in case I make another wrong decision

I'm scared to make a move. But I wish I was braver sometimes. I see people making huge moves in life, not worrying and just seeing what happens.

IcedPurple · 04/08/2026 13:16

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:14

i do think i wasted my life living in the UK and ireland. I wish id gone to live in Spain. Too late now. I'm in my 40s and I cant see businesses in spain hiring me over 20 year olds

And yet, young Spanish people are leaving the country in large numbers. Unemployment is high and wages are low. Sure, the lifestyle can be great, but not if you can barely afford to get by.

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:14

i do think i wasted my life living in the UK and ireland. I wish id gone to live in Spain. Too late now. I'm in my 40s and I cant see businesses in spain hiring me over 20 year olds

amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:09

CandiedPrincess · 04/08/2026 13:06

AI is good for writing code and debugging but that's not just what IT is about. Developers spend time talking to other areas of the business, building or customising processes and workflows, integrating software with other systems, dealing with data inconsistencies, migrating data, improving performance, improving security, testing (though a lot is automated, we find it still needs manual input). AI is good for repetitive tasks but you'd still need an experienced developer to check that code and debugs.

yeah that's what they are meant to be doing.

I know a lot of I.T guys.

I.T. seems to be a very popular area to get into.

The I.T guys that I know all tell me that they don't do much. They also tell me that they don't know how to do most things. that if they are asked to do something, they look up on an internal system how to do it and then the system kind of does it itself

Goatsarebest · 04/08/2026 13:08

IcedPurple · 04/08/2026 12:53

Unfortunately, AI has taken knowledge from one of the most prized human abilities - which took academic skills and years of hard work to achieve - to a low value commodity which can be had with a few clicks. The 'knowledge economy' is increasingly a thing of the past.

It's a fundamental change and I don't think we're prepared for the consequences to come.

There has been decades or rewarding 'knowledge' at a level way above it's actual worth and devaluing societal needs like elderly and child care or social work. We have for years thought that someone who can draft a legal contract is much more valuable than someone who can protect our children from a dysfunctional upbringing. Someone who ensures our children are safe and stimulated and informed whilst we work are only valued at a 10th of the value of someone who travels into 'the city' to do what they do. About time the 'knowledge' economy became accountable to what it actually contributes for the rewards it gets.