Job market is awful

@user1476613140 my 2 sons aren't fussy. They have applied for these sort of roles. Ds1 worked a rolling rota in one of his temp jobs,starting at 5am. Please don't make sweeping statements

I can answer this. I grew up in Africa, there was and still is widespread absolute poverty and most of the children seem happier than here in the UK.

I disagree.

£350 for 40 hours.... That is £8.75ph. That is not legal.

What does your DH do? It is all well and good saying there are always vacancies, but if you need multiple qualifications and years of experience to do the job then it is not going to be something that everyone is applying for.
I don't think a rail industry job is going to be some entry level role somehow.

People are too fussy and don't do shift work. DH works in the rail industry doing shifts and there are always vacancies. Does night shift, back shift and early shift on rotation. You just get on with it. It does interfere with family life but working 9 til 5 type jobs are problematic in their own way too. He is often around to help with bed time routine, can go to school assemblies during the day etc if on a rest day.

Also there are loads of manufacturing jobs. DS aged 19 is currently doing 10 hrs shifts 4 days a week at a bakery. Often standing for long periods of time on the production line. But he earns okay for his age. Often clearing £350 each week. He got this work through an agency. Anyone can do this. He has worked various shift patterns such as 7am til 5.15, 10 til 6pm, and 10 til 8pm.

Too many fussy people out there.

Not all of unemployed people are paying mortgages.

Also repossessions are the highest they’ve been for a while according to the most recent figures:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0e0jjz88ro

If UBI became reality perhaps a fair few people would choose to work fewer hours and have more balance. So more people might be able to work.Sort of along the lines of a job share type scenario but not quite the same. People could choose to work more hours obviously depending on the outgoings they have or choose to have etc. Less chance of burn out in some roles too. I am thinking healthcare as that is my background work wise.

I'm wondering that too. You can get a mortgage interest loan if you are out of work but it's only for a limited time.

Anyone out of work, how are you coping?

I always wonder why house repossession figures are so low when apparently so many people are out of work?
If I was out of work I’d be out of savings in a few months. How do people manage to pay their bills?!

Plenty of people work as volunteers today, doing charity work for free. Plenty of people love their jobs and relish having a purpose through work. There will still be a cohort of society who would do anything over not working at all. There will still be highly paid human roles, controlling the AI, robots and the systems. I think before UBI or UHI we will see the shift towards shorter working weeks for many sectors, 3 day weeks will be common in the next 18-24 months.

It’s also going to be a good 4/5 years before people are comfortable having a robot carer or nurse so many jobs will stay human centric out of necessity for the human touch initially. Let’s not forget that the new world we’re entering is going to be filled with an abundance of new opportunities just as the internet brought with it influencers, online retailers and service providers, new careers will blossom.

That’s what I said. The French had a revolution and guillotined the ruling class that hogged all the resources. Musk take note.

If the majority are in poverty and bored, and have no realistic prospect of changing their circumstances, that's a great recipe for increased crime, anarchy or revolution.

Yes. We are also outsourcing our brains and deskilling ourselves.

Every time we use AI to accomplish something; are we strengthening AI and contributing to our eventual downfall?

I used AI to tell me which sectors have the most vacancies.
Healthcare & social care – highest demand and long-term shortages.
Technology & professional services – strong demand for digital and AI-related skills despite a softer overall hiring market.
Education – persistent recruitment needs, especially for teachers.
Construction & skilled trades – demand remains high in many occupations despite overall vacancies easing.
Logistics & warehousing – steady hiring driven by retail and e-commerce.

The government has a lot to answer for. Huge increase in regulation (employment rights act) and cost to hire people (min wage, national insurance). Then they wonder why youth unemployment has sky rocketed and the grad market is in the doldrums plus huge reduction in vacancies generally. Until this gets fixed expect things to keep getting worse - more tax rises coming in the October budget. But it’s ok cos Andy has cut bus fares to £2 (where they were when they took office) and given us all £45 off electricity (even though the price cap is increasing by around £150). They take us for fools - and now the proposal is an extra 1.8% levy (tax) on earnings above £6500 to pay for social care. There’s never any discussion about cutting spending is there from this lot. Just looking to tax people more. And then they wonder why businesses don’t want to hire people - the economy is not growing and Labour have no plan to get it growing (hopefully the fake solicitor now in charge of the Business Dept will have a think about that!)

What I don’t understand is the whole point of the system is to ensure the majority have employment so they have money to pay into the economy and to pay tax to support the vulnerable. And jobs to keep us busy.

It seems now the end goal is profit. If there are no jobs a few will be vastly wealthy and the majority in poverty and bored. Plus there won’t be anyone to buy their goods and services so what’s even the point. Also the few vastly wealthy and the majority crushed into poverty does t generally end well. Look how that turned out for the French in 1789.

We all need to think about how we can change it. When women are stronger across the world, we are all stronger.

I can't personally change it for every woman in the world, but I think about it and I try to do something.

I've donated money to Malala's fund for example- her fund helps girls to access education

They wouldn't be doing nothing, they would be consuming.

How would you change it across the whole Earth though?
Plenty of places where women are oppressed - who and how exactly should implement new systems of power in these places?

Imagine Mum, Dad and 2 adult children getting 60k a year for doing nothing.

I mentioned that I was talking about the whole Earth. What do you think about young women in other countries?

Countries where there is more of a gender balance in Government are doing well in many areas

Yes it will be expensive, so it won't be introduced for a long while yet.
But when tens of millions more are unemployed, it will be introduced to remove the admin burden.
Most of the admin is checking that people who are unemployed are looking for work properly, and checking that people who are ill or disabled have medical evidence. Remove those two requirements and the admin is considerably less.

The admin for child benefit now is minimal, so this would be similar for UBI (which would replace child benefit, and it would be re-instated for all children).
Those with lifelong severe disabilities that don't change over time would not need checking regularly either - just an initial confirmation of the condition.

HB admin would remain, unfortunately, because we have failed to provide social housing at a low rent for decades.

I only assume it is because in the short term the tax receipts will go down and politically that would be terrible. Long term it will pay off as firms start employing and investing in their businesses but a week is a long time in politics.