Furious at ds work dismissal

Then just sit at the station for hours reading a book unless you want to be stuck in an entry level job all your life

and many kids living with mummy can afford a fair amount of luxury on a minimum wage job because they budget carefully

Most of those aren't worth it for an entry-level, low-paid job. Joining a gym and learning to drive are expensive. Moving house won't be worth it if you live with your parents and pay minimal rent.

Or say to him I don't care what they said, as your parent I am telling you that it will not hep your career to have that attitude - get the earlier train.

What work does OP do?

I think he's been a bit hard done by, if they told him it was fine. Plenty of places are flexible, after all.

Having said that, I can't see much to be done from a legal point of view. It's just a shame for him. Still, he's 19, it wasn't the right fit, hopefully onwards and upwards.

Indeed - monkey see monkey do. Come on op.

Good point

Yes, I've worked shifts, but as there were as many as ten of us on duty at once, it wasn't really a problem if one or two people were late.

I suspect that when your dd was late they just sort of said well it’s ok you are hear now. But then it went on and on. Your ds has probably taken their comments the wrong way and genuinely thought it wasn’t a problem. The employers should have been clearer about expectations but equally it was wrong for you to ds to assume that repeated lateness was ok.

very bizarre that he didn't think to get there earlier in the first place. especially as new starter, he hasn't built up any goodwill yet.

When I started your post I assumed he was getting the earliest possible train. I’m not really understanding why, if there was an earlier one, he wasn’t getting it in the first place. What if the few minutes late train was then delayed or cancelled, he’d be even later. I think you are only hearing DS version here, I can’t believe an employer would be okay with someone being consistently late when there are other options that would get him there on time. His version of them being okay with it may not match their’s, and he may have already been warned about his timekeeping prior to today despite what he’s telling you.

Did he really need to be told to get the earlier train so he could be on time? I would have thought that would have been an assumed inconvenience that he would have considered before accepting the job.

But if there was an earlier train why did he ever even need to ask if it was ok to be late to work each day, this is what i dont get.
Surely when planning for your first day you look at the train schedule and you get whichever train gets you to work comfortably on time

Not cutting it fine! And yes that might mean getting the train which means you are 25 minutes early for work and have to hang around, rather than the one which means you get there 5 min late. I dont get why he ever tried taking the later train and asked if it was ok that in itself was taking the piss and will have looked pretty poor in a new starter.

Millions of us take the train to work OP it doesn't make it ok to be late?!

Plenty of places require an exact start time, retail, hospitality, transport to name a new. And some places just expect people to show up on time or follow the proper channels and request flexible working. Your view of the working world is very limited

I’m sorry he’s lost his job but the first time he was late should have been the time for him to decide to get an earlier train so it didn’t happen again. Being late for every shift would indeed make someone unreliable.

If an earlier train was an option he should have been getting that 🤷🏻‍♀️

This thread makes no sense.

I do feel the DS deserves to be fired. But I thought with most office jobs if you arrive late you just work later?

Ooft, a hard lesson for him for sure. But he should always have been taking the earlier train, simple as that. Why on earth would he not have done that from the start. They clearly were not ok with him being a bit late, not when there was a perfectly acceptable way to get to work on time, ie take the earlier train. Him getting to work on time is on him, not their problem. If he was genuinely only a few minutes late, he could have worked slightly later maybe, if agreed with the boss - was there anything else going on op, has he told you the whole story?

There is no evidence that the workplace was ok with a regular being late rather than a one off due to train delays

if you need to leave 2 hrs earlier that’s the choice you make to take the job - find a gym near work , plan to learn to drive, find a lift share , leave a bike at the station so you gain a few minutes back , rent a room closer to work

You only have your son’s side of the story, did he really ask if they were okay with him being later everyday? He might be telling you what you want to hear and never had a proper conversation with them.

Very few? Have you ever worked shifts? I have - 6-2, 2-10 and 10-6. You cannot be late as the previous shift worker will not be able to go home until you are able to take over!

With one month’s service they can dismiss for any non-discriminatory reason. ACAS can’t help.

No, you should have told your son that turning up late isn’t acceptable, especially for a new job. You’ve not done your son any favours

I suspect your son may have thought they were ok with it because he hadn’t been bollocked. And they might have said don’t worry about it to start because they didn’t realise they needed to spell it out to him. It is a life lesson. I’d understand if there wasn’t an earlier train. But there is so he should have been on it. Hope he finds a new job

Would be be saying that if - for example - he was working at a holiday club? Somewhere with necesssary ratios whereby he makes other parents late by not being there on time?

Or a teacher.

or a paramedic?

Most jobs require you to turn up on time - or at least show willing to get there on time!

Of he wanted to be 1-5 minutes late he needed to get a flexible working request in to change his hours to 9.15 and finishing 15 minutes later so he could arrive, use the loo, put his bags away and be ready to work when his contract starts.

Considering most schools don’t even allow children 5 minutes grace it’s hardly news to them that punctuality is expected. ( and I’m against the zero tolerance schools that don’t allow an occasional public transport delay or RTC as a reason!)