Furious at ds work dismissal

If they thought he was shit hot they’d have given him a nudge to sort the train issue out. They actually just don’t want him working there. That’s private sector. He needs to up his game.

With the OP's inability to accept that her son was in the wrong, it's no surprise he has adopted this attitude.

Working in professional services, turning up late before going away on his pre-booked holiday.

The entitlement 😂

Honestly instead of mouthing off at people on here you need to teach him that this is a life lesson. No one is laughing at a young man losing his job. But it’s a consequence of him not treating it seriously. If it’s a finance job in the city I imagine it’s a pretty corporate environment with an element of presenteeism and not the kind of culture people can just rock up late if they feel like it. Of course someone losing their job is never nice, and maybe they did have someone else lined up, but he’s certainly made it easier for them to get rid and he’s got no one to look to but himself.

What happens at your workplace is immaterial and has no bearing on your DS's place of work. During probation, an employee can have their contract terminated for pretty much whatever reason. Tbh, I don't really understand why your DS didn't just take the earlier train from the outset? When I first started working, I had an hour's commute across London and left in plenty of time to arrive at least 5 minutes before I was due to start work. Surely, being on time, if not a little bit early is just common sense, particularly when one is a new hire and trying to make a good impression

Wait he worked in the City? Yeah he is screwed. Reputation is insanely important and leaving within a month of starting is huge red flag. Seriously stupid move to not go in on time. I’d bet a partner pulled him up on it.

For most jobs you need to arrive a little EARLY so that you get yourself settled, set up and ready to begin work at the specified time. If you arrive late, you then settling in takes extra time and you aren’t ready to begin work til even later. It would annoy me as an employer, and as a colleague.

Really no need.
I suspect the employers policy on lateness is / was available to him. I also suspect he just didn’t pass probation at this point due to poor timekeeping. There is no lengthy process necessary. I also suspect DS is not being entirely truthful because he doesn’t want his mum to tell him off for being late so he’s told her they’re ok with him being late every single day.

In what universe would an employer be ok with someone being late every day 😂
And what entitled rubbish is this to find it unreasonable that an employer doesn’t tolerate persistent lateness?

His responsibility to get to work on time.

LOL, you would only need to work 15 minutes a day the amount some people smoke.

New employees at the very start of their employment need to be aware that the other people who were interviewed are still quite likely to be available, and that they are far from irreplaceable, and behave accordingly.

The parent is likely not 19 and on a probation contract, they have likely got the permission in writing and make up for this small favour by doing an extra 15 minutes at other times etc.etc. Childcare is a different consideration under law than not being bothered to get up 30 minutes earlier to catch the first train etc.etc.

To be fair regarding the holiday, if you have prebooked a holiday prior to starting a new job, most employers will honour it. I had a holiday booked prior to starting my first job , it was honoured.

im sorry about the job, its a lesson learnt which we all have to do in work.

When i was working in a retail job i got the bus in which was always 8.30am on the dot Got me to the shop in the town centre in less than ten mins Plenty of time for 9am opening. Then these buses ran late twice which made me late opening up. So i ran behind About an hour after i got into work a customer had a go at me (i was running late with tasks and running the shop on my own) so wasnt quick enough for him. My reply was "well your buses have been late twice now and if they werrnt running behind then i wouldnt be either.
It was the bus driver.

Never smoked in my life
Can i leave early because I'm not having a smoke break?

Clearly, you do, as you responded to my comment.

The second chance was after he was late the first time, the third when he was late the second... Sounds like he had many chances. Yes, if it happens once, that's ok, the second time he should have started taking an earlier train, not assumed that they'd be ok with this forever.

I genuinely couldn’t care

It clearly wasn’t ok though.

so he either assumed it was, misunderstood a conversation, or just told his mum that it was fine. But it wasn’t because they specifically what he was sacked for.

It sounds like he was late, mentioned it, was told it was ok and assumed that meant it was ok every day when it wasn’t

He doesn’t need a second change after a few weeks though, they obviously didn’t think we was the right fit. Wether he’s lied or his misunderstood, he opted not to get there early to show willing in a new job and they’ve let him go for it, lesson learned. And honestly at £17 a day for trains maybe it’s for the best for him too. Hopefully he finds something else soon.

Turning up late in a finance job.

Silly. Time is money.

OP says "He is a few minutes late everyday because of the trains and they said they were ok with it."

I presumed "they" meant the person/team who discussed employment terms with him. Sure, if he's going from what Gareth said at the water cooler then fair enough.

If his employer said it was OK and now they're back-pedalling, then it's not OK.
I'd like to know.

I grew up in a village and live in one now, I've come across people who have been able to negotiate slightly different work patterns to accommodate poor public transport.

How is OP's situation different to an agreement that a parent arrive 15 mins late so they can drop their child at childcare?

If it was in finance, they probably just mentioned this to avoid mentioning more complex issues. Ie his personality just wasn't the right fit (annoying, speaking borderline disrespectfully but not in a clear enough way to document etc) or his performance was not amazing and they think they can do better etc..
If the candidate was super hard working and good in every other way, you'd just tell them they needed to be on time going forwards.

I remember being late for the first day of my first job. I was an hour late due to problems with the trains. I apologised profusely and my manager was lovely and said it was fine, not to worry. I didn't take that as permission to rock up late every day.

Maybe that's your son's issue. He took it as they have no issue with him being late. But they were onky fine about the first day and expected him to fibd his feet and make sure it didn't happen again.

So if you're looking for work/changing jobs, you shouldn't book any holidays on the off chance you find a job and the start date is within x weeks of the holiday?

What is the time frame, btw? Is 6 weeks OK? Two months? Three months?

If you get made redundant and have a holiday booked, do you cancel it even if it means losing money in case you find a job, or should you stay unemployed until afterwards?