Furious at ds work dismissal

id have sacked him too
hope that helps

It sounds like you may not have a professional job, OP, or are so senior that the usual rules no longer apply but you’ve forgotten what it’s like for juniors?

At these low levels, you need to be on time, every day, not take holiday during probation, abide by the dress code, obey all policies. The thing is, there are lots of people and not so many jobs, so employers can pick and choose. And they do!

Five years in and the site had changed location as a result you have agreed with your manager you would be a few minutes late but x times a week/month you would make the time up is totally different to newbie being late every day.
Can't even blame his age this entitlement is astonishing.

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@OneGreyBiscuit, you know your DS and
you know what his attitude is to punctuality.

My DD and DGC know that punctuality is fundamental to being a functional person in their lives and the institutions that they have to engage with, be it school, work or appointments.

I don’t do excuses and I have brought them up to not think that they can explain their actions away with excuses.

Who cares about the late train, or whatever, whatever, late is late, and his colleagues that got there on time, see your DS coming in flustered, five minutes late every day.

And for some commuting 40 minutes each way per day is standard.

I think to be honest they wete just looking to get rid of someone and your son was in the wrong place at the wrong time. They cam get rid of anyone for any or no reason (barring discrimination) this early itheor contract. He still needs psy in lieu of notice though assuming he isn't on zero hours

Honestly as a grown man, he shouldn’t need to be told to get an earlier train. He should have done it from the beginning. They probably agreed initially because they thought it might be a couple of isolated incidents, not daily.

Then as time has gone on, they’ve realised that he’s unreliable, always late and most likely completely useless or incompetent in other areas, so they’ve got rid of him before he becomes a permanent problem for them going forward.

If he has no desire to make a good impression during probation, that’s a good indication of what he will be like for the rest of his career. Too much hassle employing someone like that.

You have told your son to no longer take people at their word. Yet you are excusing your son's irresponsibility in meeting his job requirements. You are enabling him to take the piss.

Well I get the point he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. But I think it might do them both good to hear that from an authoritative neutral.

Although maybe lots of random strangers saying the same thing on Mumsnet is enough for the mum to stop being furious.

As long as the son has learnt from his mistake.

Okay. Professional services then. Regardless, he screwed up and that’s how the cookie crumbled.

I don't understand why you think the employer would be okay with him being late simply because he uses the train. What if he drove or got the bus and encountered traffic jams every day? Google maps says the journey should take 30 mins in theory, but in practice it keeps taking 45 because of accidents or roadworks? The answer is that he'd need to leave home earlier. Stop putting all his faith in what google maps says and start taking responsibility for the reality of his commute.

The method of travel is completely irrelevant. He should be allowing himself enough time to comfortably get there without being late every day. If he's always only 1-5 minutes that tells me there is no major issue with the trains themselves, he's simply not getting an early enough train.

Yeah, I think she's a troll.

Seriously, OP? YOU're furious?

Yet you’re furious they’ve dismissed him?

Get a grip. He’s in the wrong for going in late every day. Imo it’s his own fault he’s lost his job and I’d be telling him so if he was mine.

Is the OP a troll?

She keeps talking about her own work does this and that. Who cares what your work does, clearly the son's work doesn't follow the same procedures. Are the two companies interlinked?

Of course if there was an earlier train all along he should have been catching that, why wasn't he the total muppet.

At least he will be an hour early for his next job!

Agree with this. Yes they can sack you for pretty much anything during probation but as a hiring manager I can tell you if they value him in every other aspect they'd give him opportunity to rectify the lateness before sacking him. Maybe encourage him to reflect on whether anything else may have contributed to his sacking.

And the excuses just keep on coming.

This

But why did he not get an earlier train????

He is consistently late, of course he can be dismissed and at 19 I’d expect him to work out he needed an earlier himself and not be asked

I am now even more shocked that it’s not his first job. Was it because the job wasn’t great that he asked to go in late or wanted somehow to be sacked?

He’s probably lying because he knew you would tell him to get the earlier one otherwise. My son was exactly like this btw. He still has close to no initiative and when I asked on here I got told it was my own fault. Bit of tough love needed most likely, I feel your pain!

How is OP's situation different to an agreement that a parent arrive 15 mins late so they can drop their child at childcare?

The difference is that they are dropping their child at childcare, not having difficulty getting their arse out of bed to get a train that gets them to work on time.

Teach him that it's better to be an hour early than a minute late. That should sort him for his next job.

Yes they knew he lived a 40 minute train ride away when they offered him the job, bt could have lived three hours away, it's not the employer's problem, it's his problem. He applied for the job knowing full well how far away he lived.

He knew the start time when he accepted the job. The employer should not have to make allowances for a journey that was a given from the beginning.

If the train he is regularly catching is continually late (or just cutting it too fine for getting there on time with any reliability, which sounds more likely) he shouldn't need to be told to get an earlier train. He should have the common sense and sense of responsibilty to just do it.

If he's bleating about it not being his fault and it being unfair then it's clear he has no understanding what is expected of him as a working adult.