AIBU to ask what views of TR people object to?

The one he’s legally not allowed to show because it’s false and inflammatory, but obviously still has?

That one?

No, I’ve not wasted my time watching what has been found to be nonsense.

The one he can’t show again because it’s full of false allegations ? Because it would violate the injunction brought against him for libel?
if he was that adamant he is right he’d show it and fight against his almost certain imprisonment (again) but he won’t because he knows he’d be banged to rights

Aside from all the racist and criminal stuff already mentioned, when his very close friend, Richard Price, was convicted of making and distributing photos of child sex abuse Tommy didn't condemn him. In fact, he described him, post conviction, as a "top bloke, who had been stitched up", while also associating with at least 20 other convicted paedophiles in his EDL days. So he's not only a racist, criminal thug, he's also a paedophile defender & supporter too.

If that's the type of person the British right wing wants to align with, I think it tells us everything we need to know about their character, or lack thereof.

No but I have heard about it. But I do wonder, is that TR's fault really? If you have a cause, there will always be an element who agree with your cause but for the wrong reasons or they agree but are not good people. Can the cause leaders help that? I think its a complicated one.

So for example, I remember Helen Joyce and Julie Bindel having a fascinating discussion about whether they should bandy up with the right on the trans issue. Julie was definately absolutely not, it muddies the waters, Helen was very much we need to be careful but ultimately if it progresses the cause it doesnt matter why the agree they just agree. For example, some extreme christian groups in US support anti-trans ideology because they believe in sex defined roles, and that trans is against god. So obviously they are coming at the cause for completely different reasons - but does it matter? I dont know the answer to that, and I saw both sides but leaned more towards Helens views that no it doesnt - but with caveats.

So in this example, Id feel the same way. IF TR's cause is ultimately to protect the UK from mass migration and the issues he has with Islam (which I agree with) it will inevitably attract racists, and unsavouries but does that mean the cause in and of itself is wrong?

I also think the reason womens right activites are peaceful and TRAs are not is because we are female and they are male. My SIL felt that JKRs smug pic after the supreme court ruling with the cigar saying, 'I love it when a plan comes together' inciting hate and was fuelling the issue. I saw it as hilarious and a giant 'FU' which was warranted. So some people dont think shes peaceful is my point, but to me its undeniable the other side have been inciting violence and hatred towards Terfs.

''Muslim'' is not a race... anyone can convert if they so wished.
Being concerned about the rise of Islam is not being racist.
Shouting racist is the left wing way of shutting down legitimate concerns.

You must be aware of the things he says, who his supporters are and why he is associated as a key figure influencing people to the far-right.

He is anti-Muslim, he is constantly talking about protecting women/children and protecting them from Muslim grooming gangs. Yet does not say one word about the white british men (and grooming rings) that are domestic abusers and child abusers.

What are your thoughts on him as I can only think that you are supportive of him.

He's very much like Trump and "dog-whislting". He can say a lot of racist/xenophobic things, that can be difficult to use as evidence against him, and those in favour vehemently deny the meaning behind what is being said.

OP you've got to realise that the people that reply to these threads will broadly break down into 3 groups - Muslims, others of immigrant origin, and natives who have had very little contact with mass immigration. So all three are primed to dislike him and class his arguments against the Islamicifcation of Britain as "hate".

For those of us who have had contact with the realities of mass immigration, particularly of the Islamic kind, we know that TR speaks the truth about these. Albeit sometimes in a fashion, due to his working class background, the more snobbish amongst us may dislike.

Thanks to the Boriswave and Operation Scatter more people will become acquainted with what it all means (and personally I can't help feeling some schadenfreude about this), but it may now be too late to do anything about it.

Could you be a bit more detailed with your examples because that is probably "too vague" for his supporters.....

I disagree entirely with your statement and am of white British origin, as I suspect are many other people who intensely disagree with his narrative and consider him a horrendous specimen

• Stated during a London rally that "I would stop Islam" and claimed that "It's time for many Muslims to leave this country".
• Called for the military to remove asylum seekers and migrants from hotels and advocated for "re-migration" policies.
• Described Muslim babies as "time bombs" and threatened that the Islamic community would feel the "full force" of his former group, the English Defence League (EDL).
• Published false allegations on Facebook targeting a 16-year-old Syrian refugee and schoolboy, Jamal Hijazi, claiming the teenager "violently attacks young English girls" and "beat a girl black and blue" then repeated these false claims despite losing a high-profile libel case and facing contempt of court charges, actions that led to the child and his family receiving severe death threats and harassment.

There's plenty more. He is a racist, fascist thug. There is no comparisson to the situation with JKR who you are quite right is accused unfairly because all she has said is just boiling down to "humans cannot actually actually change sex, you are free to change your gender but women's rights still exist for female people and male people are not female" which no rational person could actually demonstrate to be hateful (plenty of irrational people try). Meanwhile TR (real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) is a genuinely unpleasant person who repeatedly says actually hateful, untrue and violent things. People who like him are either equally unpleasant, or stupid and uninformed.

What absolute nonsense
I am a white British women. I grew up and live in an area which is known as having a very high immigrant population. I went to school with, worked with, known and been friends with many muslims (along with other immigrants, first and second generation and of different religions).
I in no way believe that they are the things that TR says. It is narrow minded bullshit designed to get the thick masses to look at one group, and not the real problems and inequalities. It is straight out of every playbook of every single part of history where there has been horrors committed.

I was born in the UK as were my parents. 3 of my 4 grandparents were immigrants. One from Jamaica 2 from Turkey. I am from London, which of course is very diverse so I imagine you believe my view of Tommy Robinson is skewed because of that?

My DH is white british, again from London and is English as far back as his family can trace, he hates Tommy Robinson, Farage etc.

We can both acknowledge and recognise problems with mass immigration or extremism however we do not hate a whole religion or race of people, we do not blame them for the problems in the UK. We also don’t fuel hatred for “right wing” groups or people like Tommy Robinson because we don’t agree with him.

Then there is no reasoning with you. That is the equivalent of saying there was nothing wrong with Nazism.

I find it hugely concerning you are a social worker.

It's because I live in an area with a high proportion of Muslims, it's because I have many Muslim colleagues that I know TR and all of his racist supporters spout hate speech and spread lies about the majority of Muslims.

Oh - I read your OP at first thinking you meant Trans Rights!

My objection to Trans Rights is - I'm tired of hearing about them.

Tommy Robinson I keep well away from.

What a pile of crap.

I'm a white British atheist and I live in one of the most diverse parts of the UK. I have had lots of exposure to Muslims - they are my friends, my colleagues and my neighbours. They are just human beings like anyone else.

Perhaps if you could look beyond the hate, you would recognise this. But I suspect you're too far gone.

@Velvera exactly - meant to quote your post but it didn't work.

I will say this: I hate racism. We have interacial marriage in our family and this is great.

But I really wish people would separate concerns about mass, illegal and unregulated immigration from racism. No-one should support racism but it's perfectly reasonable on a small, insignificant, over-populated island with a housing/health/public service crisis to be very worried about this issue. You'd have to be mad not to be.

Andy Burnham very wisely made a statement yesterday to tell us he'd clocked the nightmare in Ceurta - very wise of him. Mainstream politicians ignoring people's concerns will drive them into the arms of TR, sure as eggs is eggs.

The issue is that the conversation can’t be kept sensible.

It isn’t racist in itself to have concerns about immigration, and its impact on the country.

It is racist to declare that Somalians are backward barbarians. It is Islamophobic to declare that all Muslims are responsible for attacks that have taken place.

That’s not having sensible concerns, it’s bigotry.

Until we can start having sensible and realistic conversations, everything else is just like shouting into the wind.

I wish people would separate those concerns as well. It would be truly refreshing if people could find a way of expressing their concerns about migration in genuinely non-racist ways.

Unfortunately, the debate about immigration has been hijacked by those who see it as a free pass for the expression of their racist views. And worse, by those who seek to exploit it to further their racist agenda.

The OP is either not that bright or a troll with no imagination. There are multiple examples of his hatred and bigotry so if OP doesnt see them it because she doesn't want to. This post and subsequent replies won't change that. Not saying there aren't issues with immigration but having TR solve them is like asking Mr Tumble to step up to being Prime Minister.

Yes - ever since Enoch Powell's notorious 'Rivers of Blood' speech in the...70s, was it? it's been impossible to discuss concerns about immigration without being labelled a racist. Of course these things can be separated, and need to be, or we will indeed find ourselves in a horrible mess.

We've never had a politician bold enough, though, to come out and say 'Concern about mass illegal immigration is not the same as racism' really strongly.

We see it on here all the time - 2 mantras are repeated constantly: 1) you're a racist if you're concerned about the small boats and b) lots of crimes are committed by white British nationals, so stop suggesting that male immigrants are a worry.

We've got to move past these false arguments if we're going to find solutions to the growing problem which is facing Europe as a whole due to all kinds of things: wars, famine, water shortages, religious and political oppression etc all of which are driving unofficial immigration.

https://www.standuptoracism.org.uk/wp-content2015/uploads/2018/11/SUtR-Robinson-factsheet-Dec-2018.pdf

this is helpful to understand.

None of that is racist.
'Muslim' is not a race.

I’m intrigued - how do you know the backgrounds/info on who replies to these threads? Unless of course they have stated it, I can’t see how you can.