To almost feel a shred of sympathy for Tommy Robinson

So the opposite of being fascinated by people's hatred of someone who they don't know is now 'romanticising' them?

Even if in this instance he seems to be 'right' because his 'facts' were backed up by the BBC?

So your context is 'everything the BBC produces is fact and other people stating the same fact is wrong because they are 'wrong' people?

TR is not antisemitic. He has warned at length about the dangers of radical Islam to western society and values. I’m no particular fan but it’s important to be accurate. For antisemitism look elsewhere.

I think you're romanticising him a bit. No one thinks he's a mythical creature. He's just a common or garden racist anti semite who has gained a following amongst the bin slingers and other racist anti semites. Amongst his lies there may on occasion be a truth. But even a stopped clock...

It's about context. Context is everything.

Looks like that person watched the actual video and made their own comments. Why should they not be allowed to comment just because some other people earlier downplayed the situation?

The point being made was IT IS THE SAME NEWS.

yes he did put the spotlight on the grooming gangs and highlighted that this was warned about by Sikh community as well

That's like saying you felt bad for the Nazis at Nuremburg. I dont think someone like this deserves sympathy without atonement.

Throughout most of history it would have been very sensible to be suspicious of Christianity, especially if you were any of those things (gay, single mother, non-Christian, etc).

And that’s with the moderating force of the New Testament, of which there isn’t really an equivalent for Islam. (In fact sort of the reverse: the harsher bits of the Quran are the chronologically later ones and often given more weight for that reason).

@GeneralPeter TR cited various acts and sayings drawn on the Quran or hadith that to modern secular ears are barbaric (treatment of homosexuals, those who have sex outside marriage, child marriage, treatment of prisoners of war, cleansing Muslim lands of Jews and Christians), in support of the argument that the West should be 'suspicious' of Islam.

Imagine what his reaction would be if he delved into the depths of the Old Testament.

Literally nothing here is making me feel empathy for him. He deserves empathy because he’s very stupid, really?

"Wee sleekit, cowering, timorous beasties"

Whether or not one agrees with JRM on a given subject, that's quite a put-down!

Hmm - the pretending to show an image of Muhammed was discussed at some length earlier in this thread - the concensus was that there was no panic just a ripple in the audience

Maybe worth going back and reading the discussion - rather than re-hashing it all again?

The Times, the DM, the Beeb, The Sun, Mirror and C4 covered the rape gang scandal years before grifter TR did.

Bravery? Catch yerself on.🙄

Hmm did you see how panicked the room was when they thought Lawrence Fox might show a cartoon of Mohammed. It seemed like the Oxford union might have been concerned about reprisals. Including the muslim president. Which rather proves the point about Islam being a threat to free speech. Tommy Robinson didn’t speak well. I think whatever flaws he has, he was talking about the rape gangs when no one else was and that takes bravery.

Tommy ten names is neither a boogie man nor a bogey man.

He's a violent, criminal, immigrant skank who lives in Spain.🤯

@BIossomtoesI was responding to someone who said there was no way that white British men would allow anyone Muslim to hold a position of power. But it’s not true as there are definitely Muslim men in positions of authority. I imagine that isn’t popular with TR or the Raise the Colour brigade. It seems to make them feel threatened & so they are acting up & being unpleasant.

Tommy ten names.

Oh thank you!

Was just googling boogie man because it made no sense in the context of Tommy ten names

It's boogeyman.

Boogie means dance, and no one wants to see him do that.

I realised during COVID that alot of/most people don't question anything that the BBC/telly box tell them and that's why TRis a "boogie man" to alot of people. I doubt they know anything much about him just what the telly told them. And doubt most of the people on this thread are curious enough to have actually watched this debate but will again rely on others with an agenda to tell them.

Thanks for your reply. TR is not a boogie man. He's a racist, antisemitic, violent wanker, waster grifter.

He isn’t uneducated he is just nasty

He has used his knowledge in promoting his vile views, stirred up more hate and anger and made himself some money at the same time

He's the type who was around in Germany in the 1930s . And you know how that ended. He's a dangerous, violent man. Dont ever be taken in by his type. They are nothing but thugs.