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To almost feel a shred of sympathy for Tommy Robinson

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lazyahzydaysofsummer · 02/08/2026 10:55

He did a debate against Oxford university students recently.

His entire argument was destroyed. Every single point. Even Jacob Rees Mogg had to comment on how stupid he was.

It’s exposed what he really is - an ignorant, uneducated man who is so gripped by fear caused by a misunderstanding of the world around him, and it’s almost made me feel sorry for him. People like him have been failed - by society, by the education system, and by the people around them.

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Backedoffhackedoff · 02/08/2026 14:33

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 14:27

Sharia courts are just like Mumsnet. Right. Ok.

What do you think sharia courts are? Answer some questions yourself rather than dropping bollocks comments on posts and lying about some daft skit by Lawrence fox

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/08/2026 14:32

No because he’s a professional racist and grifter who preys on the stupid and vulnerable for cash, and would happily kidnap British citizens from their homes and traffic them abroad.

GeneralPeter · 02/08/2026 14:32

AlternativeView · 02/08/2026 14:12

@GeneralPeter posts like the ops really annoy me becuause I don't want to he defending Tommy R.
However I have not listened to the whole thing. A clip posted earlier the Oxford uni says " Tommy and your thugs and outside there are people "ironing against you ". Now isn't that a stupid comment ? Calling him a thug but simultansoiky using people against Tommy rioting as somehow ok ?? And how her benevolence has protected him ?
And claiming that "no Muslims " believe that isis are following scriptures ? Again when isis had people in orange jumpsuits beheading them there was lots of evidence that they were following scripture and that in Islam unlike said the Catholic faith there is no one supreme head like the pope so these hadiths etc can be interpreted like anyone wants them to be

Yes me too. I don't like TR at all, but also deeply dislike the tribal thinking that says that we must ignore or excuse all sorts of things we do actually find objectionable whenever it would give the other side a win.

I watched the debate after OP's post. I suspect she hadn't watched the full debate or was already going to dismiss the arguments whatever they were.

Otherwise I can't see how she could consider every point (including those on homosexuality, sex outside marriage, child marriage, treatment of prisoners of war and ethnic cleansing) so obviously rebutted.

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/08/2026 14:31

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 12:50

The absolute panic in the room when Fox was about to reveal a picture of Mohammed.

Did kind of prove their point.

And the woman telling TR that he needed protection again, proved their point.

I’ve just seen it. Zero panic 😂 LF looked like a right idiot. It was just cringy

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 14:29

Lomonald · 02/08/2026 14:25

It isn't a "court" .doesn't have any bearing on UK Laws different religious cultures live in Britain why are you frightened of Muslims specifically?

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Who is frightened of Muslims specifically were all the people in the debating chamber who thought Lawrence Fox was about to take a photo of Muhammed out of an envelope. Go watch it. It proved his point perfectly.

likelysuspect · 02/08/2026 14:28

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 14:27

Sharia courts are just like Mumsnet. Right. Ok.

Well its akin to something like confession or the marriage guidance offered in Catholcism, applied to all sorts of things though, marriage, lifestyle, family disputes, teachings of Islam, etc etc

They're not law courts, they never have been here.

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 14:27

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/08/2026 14:17

They are not courts of law. They give religious advice to Muslims. The (scholarly) advice is from sharia law, which is a religious “law”

it’s not actual law. It’s meaningless in the context of the British legal system. It’s no different to advising people on MN to LTB. It’s just dispute resolution.

there are many religious and non religious courts that do this for all sorts of people.

Sharia courts are just like Mumsnet. Right. Ok.

likelysuspect · 02/08/2026 14:26

GeneralPeter · 02/08/2026 13:05

I agree. My personal view is that Islam needs a Reformation before the modern, secular West should be comfortable with it. (Ditto I think Christianity did, and thankfully got one, plus further softening later).

I think there are loads of really good and serious arguments both for and against that position.

I don't think pretending it's somehow a trivial issue or a racist thought helps anyone.

I agree, its much like medieval Christianity was, and our laws alongside it. Its the same age as mediveal Christianity.

Lomonald · 02/08/2026 14:25

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 14:08

Why is there a need for any sharia courts in the UK?

It isn't a "court" .doesn't have any bearing on UK Laws different religious cultures live in Britain why are you frightened of Muslims specifically?

likelysuspect · 02/08/2026 14:23

SerendipityJane · 02/08/2026 12:35

TR cited various acts and sayings drawn on the Quran or hadith that to modern secular ears are barbaric (treatment of homosexuals, those who have sex outside marriage, child marriage, treatment of prisoners of war, cleansing Muslim lands of Jews and Christians), in support of the argument that we should be 'suspicious' of Islam.

Have you read "The Bible" ?

Our modern laws dont allow those things that are in the bible that are akin to those acts though do they?

Our culture doesnt tolerate that

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/08/2026 14:17

AlternativeView · 02/08/2026 14:15

As long as over all British laws ,freedoms and equalites are upheld in these courts there is nothing wrong with them.

They are not courts of law. They give religious advice to Muslims. The (scholarly) advice is from sharia law, which is a religious “law”

it’s not actual law. It’s meaningless in the context of the British legal system. It’s no different to advising people on MN to LTB. It’s just dispute resolution.

there are many religious and non religious courts that do this for all sorts of people.

AlternativeView · 02/08/2026 14:15

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/08/2026 14:02

Why is it wrong that there are 30 sharia courts for British Muslims to use?

As long as over all British laws ,freedoms and equalites are upheld in these courts there is nothing wrong with them.

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/08/2026 14:13

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 14:08

Why is there a need for any sharia courts in the UK?

Because- as I said- British Muslims

AlternativeView · 02/08/2026 14:12

@GeneralPeter posts like the ops really annoy me becuause I don't want to he defending Tommy R.
However I have not listened to the whole thing. A clip posted earlier the Oxford uni says " Tommy and your thugs and outside there are people "ironing against you ". Now isn't that a stupid comment ? Calling him a thug but simultansoiky using people against Tommy rioting as somehow ok ?? And how her benevolence has protected him ?
And claiming that "no Muslims " believe that isis are following scriptures ? Again when isis had people in orange jumpsuits beheading them there was lots of evidence that they were following scripture and that in Islam unlike said the Catholic faith there is no one supreme head like the pope so these hadiths etc can be interpreted like anyone wants them to be

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 14:08

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/08/2026 14:02

Why is it wrong that there are 30 sharia courts for British Muslims to use?

Why is there a need for any sharia courts in the UK?

5128gap · 02/08/2026 14:08

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Do you really imagine the white men who hold the power positions in our society are going to sit back and watch Muslim men take that power away from them? Do you think the non Muslim billionaires who control so much are going to allow themselves to be ousted in favour of this new regime?
Do you think that everyone here who currently controls everything is so stupid they'd allow it to be taken from them, and it's only you and Tommy Robinson who can see it coming, so must save us all?

GeneralPeter · 02/08/2026 14:04

Piglinginblanket · 02/08/2026 13:40

I know you’ve posted to amplify the debate however of course he is decimated intellectually and made to look like a cunt because he is a cunt, utterly vile and racist. He is a violent grifter stirring up hatred and I know where my sympathies lie.

But was he decimated intellectually? I don't think so.

I don't like him at all. I think he is a violent thug and a racist. But the arguments he put at the Oxford Union were mostly pretty strong ones.

When I summarised them here no-one has has leapt in to point out how they are trivially defeated. Maybe you can?

His side lost the vote by 57-41 in the chamber also, not really a decimation.

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/08/2026 14:02

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 13:45

How many sharia courts currently exist in the UK and why is the answer not 'zero'?

Why is it wrong that there are 30 sharia courts for British Muslims to use?

Humanswarm · 02/08/2026 13:59

Hahahahaha

Notonthestairs · 02/08/2026 13:59

chirrupybird · 02/08/2026 13:55

Started off as a football thug and has gone up in the world of thuggery.

As his extensive criminal record reveals.
Abiding by UK legislation isn’t so much of a priority after all.

Backedoffhackedoff · 02/08/2026 13:58

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And you think they decided on little insignificant uk rather than say, Canada, Mexico, China? Or indeed, just staying the UAE laughing in oil money?

TemperanceWest · 02/08/2026 13:56

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 13:52

Do you have a number for me?

There are around 30 Sharia “councils” in the UK but these are not courts of law. The Sharia councils’ decisions are based on Islamic religious laws and cannot overrule the decisions of UK courts or make decisions that are contrary to UK law.

chirrupybird · 02/08/2026 13:55

Started off as a football thug and has gone up in the world of thuggery.

CaptainMyCaptain · 02/08/2026 13:53

I voted YABU because I don't feel the slightest shred of sympathy for him. He has built a career out of hate while pretending to be a Christian.

chirrupybird · 02/08/2026 13:53

Shedmistress · 02/08/2026 13:45

How many sharia courts currently exist in the UK and why is the answer not 'zero'?

There are none that have any legal status, or powers of imprisonment, etc. If people want to take moral guidance from religious leaders they can in all religions.

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