To ask what age you started cosmetic procedures?

41 and no need for any of that. I occasionally get elevenses after sleep but if I moisturise nightly with Nivea blue pot they go away. No wrinkles or forehead lines to speak of. I would never get fillers. All my features seem finely balanced so I would be concerned about messing with one thing and disrupting the overall scene. That's how I think a lot of ppl with fillers look, like it's disrupted the natural equilibrium of the face.

There is more of a cancer risk drinking alcohol than using HRT these days as it’s bio identical. Wouldn’t be without mine. And no I don’t drink alcohol, gave it up 4.5 years ago.

You're 47 and people think you're in your early 30s?
Just... randomly?

The risks are far less than taking the contraceptive pill. If you use the oestrogen gel it's very safe.

I know this thanks.

Thanks. I do know all about HRT as I have been on it for 10 years plus. I was asking the poster as our chats have been about how much of a risk you are willing to take . People's risk potential is so variable.

So you can conclude the answer is "no" then, since the measurable benefits of HRT to bone, muscle and congnitive health alone are far in excess of the very reduced risks.

My risk tolerance is pretty high - I jumped out of a plane to celebrate my 60th birthday. I still wouldn’t take the health risk of any procedure purely on the grounds of vanity or the risk that my face which I like could be adversely changed. It’s fortunate for the cosmetic aesthetic industry that we’re all different.

Yep! That’s how I keep on top of it and I love it!

The NHS also keep on top of my Bruxism by injecting those same ‘toxins’ into my jaw so I’m not in pain 24/7 - those risky NHS gaffers eh, injecting toxins into people!

Never have started, never will. I love to think of all the money I've saved.

Do women from other countries obsess about SPF 50 as much as the English on MN? I’d never heard so much about it until I moved to England and started reading MN.

I'm 68 and haven't yet felt the need for any of that sort of thing.

I'm 52 and I haven't started yet, neither do I intend to.

The women who go in for these procedures rarely look better for them beyond the short-term and in the long-term they look awful.

The woman who served me on the till at Waitrose this morning was a similar age to me and had lips like a treadless, under-inflated bicycle tyre. She looked an absolute fright. God knows what she sees when she looks in the mirror, but it can't be what the rest of us see.

Err yes.
The whole of East Asia is obsessed with sun protection. Korean beauty is world leading and we import alot.
Australia, New Zealand and South Africa are on it for the health reasons.
And in the states its pretty massive too.

Wow, that’s great that you know this; are you in that business?

The medications I take to keep me alive are not comparable to a toxic vaccine I don't need to take.

The big difference you dont need those extra toxins .

'The women who go in for these procedures rarely look better for them beyond the short-term and in the long-term they look awful'

The issue seems to be it's a slippery slope and some women get hooked. I know people who have botox and a bit of filler and look great. I also know people who have too much filler and have the balloon face look. Less is more but once someone has a bit they want the next thing and so on.

The lips are the worst, that funny rolled top lip that you spot a mile off.

In answer to your question op just keep to a bit of botox and maybe in your 50s consider non invasive collagen treatments like hifu if you go jowly.

49 and my mouth is a Bit droopy now so thinking about getting that done if it is a thing !

I'm 75, I probably should have started at 15, never mind eh!

This in a nutshell.

I'm coming up for 45 and started a couple of years ago. Some Botox on my forehead, jawline and 11s. I go twice and year and love it. Just softens out the lines on my forehead and I feel better as I feel a bit fresher. I had a wee bit added to where my crowsfeet this time and I'm very happy with the results. I had filler once on my marionette lines and didn't feel it made much difference so haven't bothered again. I think it probably is quite addictive but worse things that a little bit of Botox. Do what makes you feel good.

This is already happening in the workplace. More women in their 50s are opting for procedures to look younger and compete with the younger cohorts, in order to stay “relevant” in the workplace. I think people have a very skewed idea of hating natural aging is.

I’m 47 and have had nothing done (although have started regular microneedling. However, I have been drinking collagen for 15+ years, using retinol since my early 30s, spf 50 all year around and I am in fantastic physical shape; the latter makes huge difference in how people perceive your age. People forget that “aging” is not just your face, but also posture, muscle mass, how you move and outlook.

I am ambivalent about Botox, don’t care about a few wrinkles in my face (years of collagen and retinol have helped here), what bugs me though is the structural changes in facial bone and loss of facial fat. That is where the real aging is and Botox / fillers don’t do much with that.

It's also going to discriminate against lower income women, who genuinely can't afford these sort of cosmetic procedures. They will stand out as "ageing" and it won't go well for them.

There is a recent thread here about Botox where the people into Botox were extremely vocal about why they think aging naturally is a bad thing. Corblimeygvnr and others are very very into Botox.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/style_and_beauty/5547756-im-broke-what-can-take-the-place-of-botox?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share