AIBU to think public racist / anti immigrant / anti trans posts can justify dismissal?

Vile woman. Good for you for complaining.

YANBU. I witnessed and called out racist behaviour by my GP's receptionist , she was patient and nice as pie with me when I booked in, and with a very elderly confused (white) patient, but unhelpful and dismissive with an elderly black patient with poor English. He was trying to explain that he needed to make an appointment for his wife when his daughter was available to come with her to translate, she kept interrupting him and wilfully misunderstanding him/being obstructive. I finally stepped in and made her understand, she was very sulky and huffy about it. This practice is in a majority immigrant area. I sent a written complaint to the practice manager. I don't know the outcome, but she certainly deserved a reprimand at the very least.

Yes Labour did. Do you think anti-Semitism originated with Labour? Or was and is confined to Labour? Of course you don’t, that would be silly.

Yes, of course there are far right professionals working in ‘left leaning institutions’ (Pisa?) like there are in all professions.

I do work in the public sector and have on and off for many years. There’s definitely a left leaning segment in some areas, but by no means all, and the majority of people doing day to day work - police, prisons, JCP, EA are apolitical in my experience. As in, they’re not strongly aligned to any party. Senior public servants and especially civil servants often come from a wealthier background and are more centre right from what I’ve seen.

Yes, but I’m not the OP and you seem to be intent on implying I think something I haven’t expressed.

Yes, I think people should be able to have their own political views without their employer interfering.

If it impacts on their work, ie a doctor refusing to treat a Jewish patient or a teacher actively discriminating against ethnic minority children, that's something that should be dealt with case by case.

It has to be like that, otherwise it just gets crazy.

A Reform supporter would be ostracised in the public sector. This is exactly why I and other posters have turned the idea of fascism back round on those who use it - liberally.

I think it's more likely that a member of Reform would be disciplined than a member of the Socialist Workers Party, if they both worked in the public sector.

I think both should be able to carry on with their political activities while maintaining their jobs. In fact when I worked in the public sector, a few colleagues who were also Union reps, were members of the SWP.

I think we need to be very careful about giving 'ownership' of something as serious as anti semiticism (or religious based hatred of any kind) to a certain political persuasion.
Because decide its 'a left wing thing' and you risk the danger from the right creeping up.
Farage has been criticised by the council of Jewish deputies for 'dog whistle' anti semiticism, the more subtle, but arguably more damaging than outright hate that you can see a mile off, because its vieled by an outward show of support for the Jewish community.
See also the far right groups who want 'a return to traditional British Christian values', Tommy Robinson et al. They are no friends to Jewish people. They just hate them less than Muslims at the moment.

ok

It depends what it is. There is a line but employers can easily end up on the wrong side of it. See Higgs v Farmors School.

No, the OP lent itself to applying specifically to the right wing. Labour had a major problem with anti-semitism, as you well know. There are far right professionals working in left leaning institutions though.

Anti-Semitism does not originate with the left either, but if you have some basis for the claim I’m interested in hearing it.

Let me say again for the hard of reading: NOBODY should bring their prejudices to work in a state sponsored role. The fact that you’ve chosen to see that as applying only to views you see as right wing is a you problem.

I haven’t attacked your work - I don’t know it, how could I? I have strongly disagreed with your expressed opinion that all women from a specified background are coerced. I’ll be sure to tell Shabana Mahmood, when we next meet, that she doesn’t know her own mind.

The reality is that you don’t know anything about what others here do or don’t know. You chose to give more credence to my opinion (without agreeing with it, which is entirely normal) when you couldn’t dismiss me as ‘working in a butcher’s’. And that tells me you don’t approach things with an open mind. Minoritised men, women and children would struggle to trust someone in your position anyway, and your stated opinions here mean that mistrust is justified. You’ve taken my disagreement with your own words so personally that you’re trying to insult me. It’s a little unhinged honestly.

Of course there are Muslim women and girls - and boys - living in domestic abuse situations. And in your line of work that’s the people you are bound to meet. But you’ve extrapolated and decided everyone is the same. The pure arrogance of telling someone that not only do you think Muslim women are empty vessels, but that they should also think the same is… well, it’s something.

It eminates (predominantly) from the left. So I see your original position on occupying state roles wasn't really neutral, after all.

Surely, at its root, the point is that an LSA is there to support children. And hating children (from specific groups) is a contraindication?

On the face of it yes, @Slightyamusedandsilly, but a lot depends on how the views actually manifest themselves in the workplace, and thankfully there are already provisions for dealing with such issues without automatically needing to sack someone purely because of the view itself

And as mentioned I'd say this regardless of what the view is and which "side" of the political spectrum it comes from

I am autistic and ADHD yes. I think you can claim you are informed on a topic that you are informed on. Of course you can. Just because you are informed doesnt mean you are right - people can be well educated and have lived experience but still people will disagree with them. Your opinion on autism given you are an autistic woman makes you informed. Your opinion on muslim women given you work with them makes you informed.

Anyway I disagree with your description of me and I haven't attacked you or your work as you have mine. I havent made unevidenced claims. Its wideley evidenced that muslim women and girls are more likely to experience oppression and abuse. But I dont see why anyone would need evidence of that anyway. Its blindingly obvious. Just as it would be if you were talking about women and girls in the LDS in the states.

Well I will presume you have a thick skin too then and I will now be rude and not sugar coat it. I am concerned that you work with highly vulnerable muslim women and girls - abuse victims you have said - and you arent accepting that they will be experiencing an extremely high level of coercion. You are assuming that they do have agency and you arent recognising the influence their culture will be having on them. I think that is extremely dangerous considering you are in a position where you can offer real life-changing support to them that can turn their lives around. I do not want to undervalue what you do, as you did to me, it is a tough job as I said, and I have respect for that - but I do worry that considering your attitude, that maybe you arent the right kind of person to go in there and really understand what they are dealing with. To totally deny their religious oppression is to do them a disservice.

Yes, I do. And I think there's a great deal of misunderstanding, assumptions and fear mongering from people who don't. You are judging based on the most extreme beliefs and practices and making an assumption that all Muslims live and believe in accordance with that. In truth the Muslim population is comprised of individuals who accept and apply the teachings of Islam in varying ways. Just as is the case with Christians, who aren't all running round quoting St Paul and insisting women submit to their husbands.

I do believe muslim women and girls are living under coercion yes. I think that with all extreme religions that are oppressive to women (LDS). To different degrees of course, but ultimately yes.

Not sure how to take the AI thing - never been told that before. Should I be flattered or offended? lol.

I’m responding to you unemotionally, and I’ve found some of the things you’ve said deeply problematic so have no desire to sugar coat it for you. If you find that rude that feels like something you should work on, rather than project your emotions onto me.

I would never claim my opinion is ‘more informed than most’ on any topic because I simply don’t know what knowledge or experience others in this anonymous forum have. I am autistic, so perhaps I know a tiny bit more than you, but who knows, you might be too.

I will robustly challenge anything I believe to be false, here and in real life. You have made sweeping and unevidenced claims about the likelihood of domestic abuse in Muslim and GRT households, and that Muslim women are unable to make their own choices. You don’t know which women on the thread are Muslim. And yet, you have the audacity to describe someone else as obnoxious and rude. So forgive me for thinking that you’ve probably got quite a thick skin and don’t need me to soft soap you.

It would worry me if people lost their jobs because of their political views, eg if a teacher or a social worker lost their job because they were a member of Reform or if they were a Reform councillor. That would be very anti democratic.

Trouble is when a wish to have a managed migration policy is seen as far right / racist / fascist this is what it can lead to.

And you assume all Muslim women are coerced, as per your previous post.

The rest feels like you wrote it with AI.

I don't agree. I'm never going to support a position that overlooks women and girls who are living under genuine coercion or oppression because we're too concerned about appearing culturally sensitive.
The whole point is that coercion reduces or removes agency. A woman who fears violence, ostracism, forced marriage, or other serious consequences for refusing isn't exercising free choice in the ordinary sense. Recognising that isn't denying her humanity—it's recognising the reality of coercive control.
Its vitally important not to ignore those who desperately need support to break free simply because acknowledging their situation is uncomfortable.

Maybe you need to tell these guys, who record foiled plots against Jewish people and sites, plenty of right wing examples there. Anti-Semitism, like all racism, doesn’t belong to left or right, it’s everywhere.

https://cst.org.uk/research/terrorism-hate-crime-databases/uk-foiled-terror-plots

Anti-semitism firmly belongs in the left wing corner.