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AIBU to think public racist / anti immigrant / anti trans posts can justify dismissal?

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/07/2026 18:39

Read a couple of accounts this week of racist, public supporters of the far-right being sacked for spouting race / immigrant / trans hate on their personal social media accounts.

One was a doctors receptionist.
The other a school learning support assistant.

Both roles where they are likely to work with people in the groups they're publicly trashing online. One was recorded at a far-right rally, speaking about the amount of immigrants she was forced to support in her line of work.

What is your opinion on this?

YABU - People should be able to express their opinion without fear of losing their job. Freedom of speech.

YANBU - Anyone with any kind of public facing role/a role where their employer is likely disapprove of this should not publicly post this way and needs to understand that being sacked is their own fault.

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Switchnow · 02/08/2026 12:18

LuckyHazelFox · 02/08/2026 11:17

No I'm not but I have eyes and ears. Are you Muslim?

No, I’m Jewish, and I don’t find that anti-Semitism is restricted to the left. I’ve also provided you a source if multiple far right anti—Semitic plots and convictions.

TheKeatingFive · 02/08/2026 12:13

LakieLady · 02/08/2026 11:58

I'm retired now, but worked for an organisation that was shit hot about all sorts of equality issues for 20 years.

There was a clause in all employment contracts about not engaging in activity that could bring the organisation into disrepute when I started there in the early noughties, and a few years later they introduced a social media policy that covered this sort of stuff.

I'm sure that cases like this would lead to disciplinary action there.

It could also be a disciplinary matter if you repeatedly misgendered a trans colleague; that was included in the Equalities policy around 15 years ago.

Would something like stating 'men can't become women' on SM be considered a breach?

LakieLady · 02/08/2026 12:13

Switchnow · 30/07/2026 21:46

She pleaded guilty to the offence, based on the advice she received.

And if she felt the sentence was excessive, she could have appealed against it.

LakieLady · 02/08/2026 11:58

Nihongo · 30/07/2026 19:32

Actually, it falls under the scope of what you are arguing about. Either aggressive, violent threats of abuse are sackable offenses or not, surely it shouldn’t matter who they are against.

I'm retired now, but worked for an organisation that was shit hot about all sorts of equality issues for 20 years.

There was a clause in all employment contracts about not engaging in activity that could bring the organisation into disrepute when I started there in the early noughties, and a few years later they introduced a social media policy that covered this sort of stuff.

I'm sure that cases like this would lead to disciplinary action there.

It could also be a disciplinary matter if you repeatedly misgendered a trans colleague; that was included in the Equalities policy around 15 years ago.

LuckyHazelFox · 02/08/2026 11:30

I agree we don't need any extremism. Believe me, l know the rise of the far right was built on Nazism.

LuckyHazelFox · 02/08/2026 11:27

soddingspiderseason · 02/08/2026 11:20

Anti-trans often means stating that biological sex is immutable and that women (adult human females) should have single sex spaces and services like rape crisis and domestic abuse support. The attacks by Amnesty on Beira’s Place show just how distorted this narrative is. Please don’t link “anti-trans” in with racism and anti-immigration. And yes, if I’d said at work 2 years ago that I thought people could not change sex and that services should be single sex, I would have expected to be disciplined. Someone in my organisation lost their job for liking JKR tweets on X. If that’s ok, then something is very seriously wrong.

JKR's lawyers have soon put Amnesty Int in their place. So somebody representing Amnesty was bold enough to call victims of rape anti rights. That's the point though - as with Oxbridge students respectively celebrating Jewish and Charlie Kirk's deaths, there's a reluctance to believe the left are capable of despicable acts and they therefore become more emboldened. I am not taking about the left as a whole because I've seen plenty showing their disgust. This thread is a classic example of trying to minimise the blatantly obvious.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2026 11:27

Switchnow · 02/08/2026 11:14

Btw do the FSU ever represent, eg, SWP supporters? They only seem to cover cases if people on the right.

They offered to support Heather Herbert, so yes, they will support anyone, not just “people on the right”.

5128gap · 02/08/2026 11:23

LuckyHazelFox · 02/08/2026 11:10

I don't think it's the far right that have been making Jews feel unsafe over the last 3 years.

Unfortunately that's not true. The conference of European rabbis has repeatedy called for no ties with the far right because of neo nazi rhetoric. The CST has reported that the far right are a key force behind hatred directed at the Jewish community and the ADL report clear links between far right ideology and harassment of Jewish people.
Don't let what concerns you about some people on the left blind you to the threat from the far right. Do some digging because what you uncover would terrify anyone concerned for the safety of the Jewish Community.
We don't need extremists of any flavour and you don't fight extremism with a different type of extremism.

FrippEnos · 02/08/2026 11:23

Switchnow · 02/08/2026 11:14

Btw do the FSU ever represent, eg, SWP supporters? They only seem to cover cases if people on the right.

The FSU offered to represent the trans University worker.

So yes they do represnt those that are not right wing.

soddingspiderseason · 02/08/2026 11:20

Anti-trans often means stating that biological sex is immutable and that women (adult human females) should have single sex spaces and services like rape crisis and domestic abuse support. The attacks by Amnesty on Beira’s Place show just how distorted this narrative is. Please don’t link “anti-trans” in with racism and anti-immigration. And yes, if I’d said at work 2 years ago that I thought people could not change sex and that services should be single sex, I would have expected to be disciplined. Someone in my organisation lost their job for liking JKR tweets on X. If that’s ok, then something is very seriously wrong.

LuckyHazelFox · 02/08/2026 11:17

Switchnow · 02/08/2026 11:13

Are you Jewish and speaking of your own experience?

No I'm not but I have eyes and ears. Are you Muslim?

Switchnow · 02/08/2026 11:14

5MinuteArgument · 02/08/2026 10:32

I think someone who was a Reform Councillor would face more scrutiny from their employers than someone who was a Councillor for a far left group, especially if they were a social worker, teacher, health care professional etc.

People should be able to join and campaign for lawful parties without their employers having anything to do with it. Otherwise we don't have a democracy.

I'm a member of the Free Speech Union and their lawyers are fighting multiple cases of people having been sacked for their political views.

Btw do the FSU ever represent, eg, SWP supporters? They only seem to cover cases if people on the right.

Switchnow · 02/08/2026 11:13

LuckyHazelFox · 02/08/2026 11:10

I don't think it's the far right that have been making Jews feel unsafe over the last 3 years.

Are you Jewish and speaking of your own experience?

LuckyHazelFox · 02/08/2026 11:10

I don't think it's the far right that have been making Jews feel unsafe over the last 3 years.

Switchnow · 02/08/2026 11:07

5MinuteArgument · 02/08/2026 10:32

I think someone who was a Reform Councillor would face more scrutiny from their employers than someone who was a Councillor for a far left group, especially if they were a social worker, teacher, health care professional etc.

People should be able to join and campaign for lawful parties without their employers having anything to do with it. Otherwise we don't have a democracy.

I'm a member of the Free Speech Union and their lawyers are fighting multiple cases of people having been sacked for their political views.

I’m not sure I agree, people aren’t disciplined for their political views or membership per se, but for the things they say. These may relate to their political views but there’s a big difference - as many have pointed out - between expressing political views and hate speech. Obviously there are also those who say hateful things and pretend it’s a political view. But if you have a specific example where a councillor has been sacked for their views alone I’d be interested to see it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2026 11:00

Absolutely agree that many on the far right of the political spectrum are antisemitic. As are many on the far left.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2026 10:59

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/08/2026 08:25

I didn't refer to specifically ANY political party. Extreme right wing, e.g. neo fascism is known for racial hatred.

And do you really thing neo fascists are supportive of Jews? Given their links to the holocaust? So assuming any far right party is not anti semitic is ludicrous.

It’s not always that simplistic, is it?

https://www.channel4.com/news/israel-government-hosts-far-right-activist-tommy-robinson

Israel government hosts far-right activist Tommy Robinson

Far-right British agitator and guest of the Israeli government, Tommy Robinson, prepared for his big rally in Tel Aviv.

https://www.channel4.com/news/israel-government-hosts-far-right-activist-tommy-robinson

LuckyHazelFox · 02/08/2026 10:58

5MinuteArgument · 02/08/2026 10:32

I think someone who was a Reform Councillor would face more scrutiny from their employers than someone who was a Councillor for a far left group, especially if they were a social worker, teacher, health care professional etc.

People should be able to join and campaign for lawful parties without their employers having anything to do with it. Otherwise we don't have a democracy.

I'm a member of the Free Speech Union and their lawyers are fighting multiple cases of people having been sacked for their political views.

You've just reminded me. I saw the Free Speech Union advocated on GB News yesterday. I made a note to sign up later.

5128gap · 02/08/2026 10:55

5MinuteArgument · 02/08/2026 10:32

I think someone who was a Reform Councillor would face more scrutiny from their employers than someone who was a Councillor for a far left group, especially if they were a social worker, teacher, health care professional etc.

People should be able to join and campaign for lawful parties without their employers having anything to do with it. Otherwise we don't have a democracy.

I'm a member of the Free Speech Union and their lawyers are fighting multiple cases of people having been sacked for their political views.

That's because public sector workers are public servants who's job is to deliver services in line with the ethos and values of the government of the time. Reforms policies and messaging in many cases do not align with those of successive governments, so it can be difficult for someone to express open support for them while also seeming to work within the values of the service. For example, if there is a policy of integration of refugees, then it wouldn't do for a worker to be publically calling for deportations.
I imagine this is far less likely to be the case in Reform controlled local authorities, where people supporting things that don't align with Reform may feel forced to be silent to protect their jobs.

5MinuteArgument · 02/08/2026 10:32

Switchnow · 01/08/2026 11:15

I do work in the public sector and have on and off for many years. There’s definitely a left leaning segment in some areas, but by no means all, and the majority of people doing day to day work - police, prisons, JCP, EA are apolitical in my experience. As in, they’re not strongly aligned to any party. Senior public servants and especially civil servants often come from a wealthier background and are more centre right from what I’ve seen.

I think someone who was a Reform Councillor would face more scrutiny from their employers than someone who was a Councillor for a far left group, especially if they were a social worker, teacher, health care professional etc.

People should be able to join and campaign for lawful parties without their employers having anything to do with it. Otherwise we don't have a democracy.

I'm a member of the Free Speech Union and their lawyers are fighting multiple cases of people having been sacked for their political views.

LuckyHazelFox · 02/08/2026 09:10

TheGreatDownandOut · 30/07/2026 19:19

This is a meaningless question without any context. Who gets to decide what is racist or anti trans or whatever? Because I have seen people label others as racist on here when it wasn’t merited. Ditto with ‘transphobe’

There is a world of difference between saying, for example “death to all <insert minority>” and expressing concern for unchecked immigration.

And what about other groups? What about people who express ageism? Or ableism? Or misogyny? Or are the old, disabled or female fair game? Should we only ban people who say bad things about ‘trendy’ disadvantaged people?

Exactly. I wish I'd read your post before I wasted any more time on this one sided thread.

LuckyHazelFox · 02/08/2026 08:51

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/08/2026 08:25

I didn't refer to specifically ANY political party. Extreme right wing, e.g. neo fascism is known for racial hatred.

And do you really thing neo fascists are supportive of Jews? Given their links to the holocaust? So assuming any far right party is not anti semitic is ludicrous.

Are you going to acknowledge there is also a problem with the hard left and their use of SM? They are also known for racial hatred in the form of anti-semitism, hiding their hate by criticising zionism . Have you read JKR's twitter account and seem some of their attacks on her?

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/08/2026 08:25

LuckyHazelFox · 01/08/2026 10:42

No, the OP lent itself to applying specifically to the right wing. Labour had a major problem with anti-semitism, as you well know. There are far right professionals working in left leaning institutions though.

I didn't refer to specifically ANY political party. Extreme right wing, e.g. neo fascism is known for racial hatred.

And do you really thing neo fascists are supportive of Jews? Given their links to the holocaust? So assuming any far right party is not anti semitic is ludicrous.

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/08/2026 08:16

Bikergran · 01/08/2026 11:22

YANBU. I witnessed and called out racist behaviour by my GP's receptionist , she was patient and nice as pie with me when I booked in, and with a very elderly confused (white) patient, but unhelpful and dismissive with an elderly black patient with poor English. He was trying to explain that he needed to make an appointment for his wife when his daughter was available to come with her to translate, she kept interrupting him and wilfully misunderstanding him/being obstructive. I finally stepped in and made her understand, she was very sulky and huffy about it. This practice is in a majority immigrant area. I sent a written complaint to the practice manager. I don't know the outcome, but she certainly deserved a reprimand at the very least.

That is absolutely disgusting. Obstructing access to medical care due to racism.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/08/2026 13:18

Switchnow · 01/08/2026 09:35

I’m responding to you unemotionally, and I’ve found some of the things you’ve said deeply problematic so have no desire to sugar coat it for you. If you find that rude that feels like something you should work on, rather than project your emotions onto me.

I would never claim my opinion is ‘more informed than most’ on any topic because I simply don’t know what knowledge or experience others in this anonymous forum have. I am autistic, so perhaps I know a tiny bit more than you, but who knows, you might be too.

I will robustly challenge anything I believe to be false, here and in real life. You have made sweeping and unevidenced claims about the likelihood of domestic abuse in Muslim and GRT households, and that Muslim women are unable to make their own choices. You don’t know which women on the thread are Muslim. And yet, you have the audacity to describe someone else as obnoxious and rude. So forgive me for thinking that you’ve probably got quite a thick skin and don’t need me to soft soap you.

Can I ask what you mean by “GRT households”? Not come across that term before.